Summery of Special Teamspeak Event Saturday Dec. 3rd

[Bando]

I was there for about 75% of the time (visiting my son in Holland) and listened this morning to the rest.

I am pleased at the info I got there.

 

I'd like to thank Jason, Sneaksie and Han for making this possible and for being there to clarify things.

I also think it is just awesome that dev teams do this and take the time to interact the way these guys did, so;

 

Thank you team.

 

Here are the highlights I picked out of the conversation to sum it up for people who do not want to listen to the full 3 hours:

 

AI ganging up: Devs are aware, there’s not much they can do about it, but they will try to review it somewhere in the future.

 

The deletion of the “standard missions” in the mission list is impossible, for these missions are hardcoded.

Jason will try to get these missions into their own folder, so you do not have to scroll through them every time.

 

Torpedoes thrown from aircraft are planned for BO pacific, but not for Kuban, unless the BOK goes extremely well in sales and is interesting enough for the community.

 

Timeline for BOK in the coming 12 months:
2016:
Dec 16: 109G4 + DX11 + Tante Ju
2017:
End Jan:  BF110 G2
End feb: HE111 H16
End March: FW190 A5 with improved FM for the A3 as well.
End May: IL2 model 1943 with .50 MG at the rear.
June: Spitfire!!!!
July: Kuban map (without career mode, but there will be missions)
August and September no releases planned.
Oct: Yak 7B + open Beta of Kuban Career mode.
Nov: A20 Boston bomber + free historical campaign for Kuban + P39 + H129
Dec: Official release of BOK to the main stream public.

 

 

Some general things I picked up and found interesting (maybe completely wrong about, but this is how I understood them):

*-Plausible explanation from Jason as to why the timeline is what it is after Bok into the PTO.

*-Han expressed he’d love to do Korea after PTO.

*-Vulcan (as API) is not possible for IL2 series, maybe for the “next project” as Han stated. So DX11 will be the standard for now.

*-109 G6 is desired to be built by the devs, but there has to be a LA5FN as well. Maybe they’ll do it as they want to, but as of yet they are not planned. 109G4 will have 1.42 ATA.

*-For a lot of nice things, the team has a wish for them, but the team and the budget are only dimensioned as they are and there is not much room to improve the product. In short: more sales = more money = more nice things implemented. Furthermore, the help of the community is wanted on features like textures, maps, events and such. DX11 will give possibilities to improve here.

*-Mods ON will mean people can change the sounds and (hi-res) textures.

*-VR implementation may mean that the cockpit will be ok, but the GUI maybe not. So performance is important (your own hardware) an maybe it will be so that the GUI has to be operated from the monitor, and once the plane is on the runway, the goggles can be used.

*-BOK will have several cloudlayers.

 

As I'm not that interested in MP, I did not comment on that.

 

 

Bottomline: Jason stated that if the support steps up (in more sold copies) they can make a lot of fancy stuff to fly in. The team and Jason himself are busting their asses to make this happen. If you have the opportunity to make it so that more copies are sold, please do so and support this team, for the future will get brighter and better.

 

EDIT:

P39 added thanks to Tatarenko,

Edited December 4, 2016 by Bando

[Danziger]

Thanks Bando

Edited December 4, 2016 by BorysVorobyov

[Custard]

I'll add to this, there some very promising news from Jason about the sort of performance increase we can see with DX11 later this month. Obviously everyone's hardware is different but DX11 capable cards should see a significant increase in performance, most notably felt in the situations where the game may be slow at the moment; on the ground and in large fights with lots of units.

[Danziger]

That would be great. I recently doubled RAM memory from 8gb to 16 and video card from 2gbddr5 to 4gbddr5 and haven't noticed any increase in performance. Honestly I sometimes feel performance was better before my upgrade lol.

[=38=Tatarenko]

P-39 was in Nov between Boston and Hs129.

Edited December 4, 2016 by =38=Tatarenko

[Feathered_IV]

When I heard that I kind of felt like going into a voluntary coma until November, for the P-39 and Hs-129.

[Cybermat47]

*-Han expressed he’d love to do Korea after PTO.

YES!

Edited December 4, 2016 by Cybermat47

[Uufflakke]

*-Han expressed he’d love to do Korea after PTO.

 

If Han's wish will be fulfilled it implies they will leave the WWII period already?

[216th_Jordan]

Well If I might guess there would be 2 x PTO + at least one other theater.

[Danziger]

They've done WWI and will have at least five modules of WW2 by then. I am sure they could get Korea done in just one module BoKorea and then get back to WW2. It would probably make a lot of people happy to fly jets in this new series as well as draw in new customers. I'm personally not that interested but I don't think it would be a bad thing to do. I would still buy it regardless and probably have a lot of fun.

[Uufflakke]

Well If I might guess there would be 2 x PTO + at least one other theater.

 

MTO!

[smink1701]

Thanks Bando!  Russian and German birds are nice in all their variations but been there and done that for a long while now.  Can't wait for the Spit, P-39 and hopefully some pacific planes including Corsair, Lightning and Hellcat.  Would love to fly Zeros as well!!!  That's what I'm paying for now to fly those later.  Fingers crossed!

[Rolling_Thunder]

*-Han expressed he’d love to do Korea after PTO.

I hope he doesn't get his way. Jason has stated that the team would like to include the whole of WW2. If we head to Korea after the pacific I would see that as going back on previous statements, the reason I bought kuban was to support the development that was pointing towards the whole of WW2. I for one would be outraged if that happened.

[=38=Tatarenko]

I think if they are struggling to sell a WW2 sim, they'd really struggle to sell a Korean sim, esp given that DCS already do the sabre and mig-15.

[Custard]

I think if they are struggling to sell a WW2 sim, they'd really struggle to sell a Korean sim, esp given that DCS already do the sabre and mig-15.

 

I think there's a general perception of DCS WW2 & DCS Korea as rather dead and lifeless, both in multi and single player. DCS Korea has no campaign, no active multiplayer, no period accurate map, no period accurate ground units, poor AI that use different FMs to the player, and disappointing damage models. ED has no public plans to change any of this.

 

I'm not sure 777 should feel threatened by DCS Korea.

Edited December 4, 2016 by Custard

[coconut]

I hope he doesn't get his way. Jason has stated that the team would like to include the whole of WW2. If we head to Korea after the pacific I would see that as going back on previous statements, the reason I bought kuban was to support the development that was pointing towards the whole of WW2. I for one would be outraged if that happened.

 

I heard Han say "after WW2", not "after Pacific". We don't know what are the plans after Pacific. Could be more WW2, could be something else, could be nothing at all.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Things you might want to add:

 

- DX11 is expected* to provide twice as much FPS compared to the current version

- DX11 allows for greater map detail which will be used for the Kuban map. Other maps may be reworked to incorperate more detail after Dx11 as well.

- Sneaksie and Han expressed their wish to improve on the netcode and multi threading for better performence but this will require a major engine rewrite (more than Dx11) and is not possible before the release of Kuban

- Jason has ideas for new tutorial missions on takeoff, landing, bombing ect. he'll review with the team. However, lack of a dedicated mission builder means there likely wont be interactive training missions. Jason also mentioned the possebility of making this a joint effort comunity project.

 

*This is not not guranteed and based on internal dev and beta tester feedback only.

Edited December 4, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[Gambit21]

I think if they are struggling to sell a WW2 sim, they'd really struggle to sell a Korean sim, esp given that DCS already do the sabre and mig-15.

 

On the other hand DCS is not in danger of producing a working, fleshed out Korean theater any time in the next 10 years.

Takes more than a Sabre and a MiG.  

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

I heard Han say "after WW2", not "after Pacific". We don't know what are the plans after Pacific. Could be more WW2, could be something else, could be nothing at all.

Hopefully WW2 will continue to be the focus for many many years yet. There are so many planes and theatres remaining.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

- DX11 is expected* to provide twice as much FPS compared to the current version

 

This should be taken with a grain of salt. It won't be twice FPS overall, they would be in intensive environments like flying close to many planes. They also said that this will be more noticed by people who struggles with fps. People who already got good fps won't see much of a difference.

 

The good thing about a possible Korea is that it will be related to WW2 in regards to the prop planes who fought in there, it wasn't all MiG-15 vs F-86:  late Corsairs, late P-51s, Yak-9U, Yak-9P, La-9, IL-10, etc. I know most of these planes were later variants than the WW2 ones, but it's easier to create a certain variant than a brand new aircraft.

[=38=Tatarenko]

On the other hand DCS is not in danger of producing a working, fleshed out Korean theater any time in the next 10 years.

Takes more than a Sabre and a MiG.

 

It's simply that most people have heard of WW2. Most haven't heard of the Korean war, don't know who fought or why and couldn't find Korea on a map. I'd LOVE a Korean War sim but it wouldn't sell well, I think.

Edited December 4, 2016 by =38=Tatarenko

[Gambit21]

The good thing about a possible Korea is that it will be related to WW2 in regards to the prop planes who fought in there, it wasn't all MiG-15 vs F-86:  late Corsairs, late P-51s, Yak-9U, Yak-9P, La-9, IL-10, etc. I know most of these planes were later variants than the WW2 ones, but it's easier to create a certain variant than a brand new aircraft.

 

Yet it's not a given that we'll progress to a new theater for which we'll have almost every single aircraft already created, of the proper variant no less.

Then there's the familiarity thing that Ian points out.

[216th_Peterla]

Forgot about Korea. There are lot of iterations before of that, and if I remember correctly, Han said will like to do it after they're done with WWII.

Kuban and the two Pacific iterations are the main focus right know for the coming years.

Regards

[FuriousMeow]

Thanks for the summary!

[Mac_Messer]

I`m not sure of what you guys mean by "after WWII". If it all goes well, we`ll be 8-10 years from now until WWII is finished. I can think of 5-6 other WWII BoX titles right now, and it takes time to make them.

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

Ì think there are Lot of WW II to be done for example Westfront Berlin later war.mediterranian Nordafrika sicily ..

[ShamrockOneFive]

Keep in mind the context in which this was said.

 

After a long discussion about what was coming next (the Pacific), Han said that his long term dream was to build a Korean war simulation. Both he and Jason agreed that it was doable within the kinds of technology that they have or are building and Jason seemed to think that Korea and the Sabre vs MiG-15 battle would definitely have an appeal with some simmers.

 

That doesn't mean that Korea is going to happen or that it will happen soon.

 

It's a dream. People can have those! :D

[Trooper117]

I would prefer the team stuck to WWII to be honest... There is so many more planes and battles to cover first.

On the other hand, the Korean conflict hasn't smitten me enough because I'm pretty sure it will be all American aircraft on the allied side, and Seafires, Hawker Sea Furies and Fairey Fireflies won't get a look in

Still, I enjoy the Mig and Sabre in other sims.

 

Would I still buy it? Hmmmm... probably. 

[I./JG1_Deschain]

No torpedoes from planes....thats the best part of attacking ships, basicly the only reason i was looking to kuban was that i can take torpedo and attack with my mates on some heavy cruiser :/

[Rjel]

I think the Korean War makes sense in as much as it would make much use of the carrier development that will be included in the next Pacific installment. But then, the same could be said for a Med scenario too. But I'd like to see Seafires and Sea Furies too. The plane set for the Red side would be somewhat limited though.

[Blitzen]

You saved me a lot of investigative work! Thanks!

[ShamrockOneFive]

No torpedoes from planes....thats the best part of attacking ships, basicly the only reason i was looking to kuban was that i can take torpedo and attack with my mates on some heavy cruiser :/

 

The problem is that the sub types that carried torpedoes aren't done and doing them takes time (and money) that they don't have.

 

Ships can still be hit with bombs and rockets which is good but I get the desire to torpedo them. I like doing that too.

[216th_Jordan]

Wasn't the answer to torpedos in kuban more like: 'maybe later.'

But not 'no'?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Most haven't heard of the Korean war, don't know who fought or why and couldn't find Korea on a map.

 

That might apply to your average milkman, but i think people who are into flight sims all well know Korea and the Korean war. Flight sims don't have to sell to the "Call of Duty Generation". People who buy flight sims have genuine interest in aircraft, wars they fought in...i would be amazed if anyone in this forum doesn't know the Korean war. In fact i am pretty sure, if you'd asked people before Battle of Moscow to name aircraft that fought over Moscow, and aircraft that fought in Korea, most could've told you more aircraft from Korea. I also don't think Korea would sell bad. I'd love it.

Don't get the obsession with "WW2", already the Pacific is a whole different scenario to the European war, and a late WW2 Pacific scenario is closer to Korean war, then to Battle of Britain. In a wider - not official - sense, you could count Spanish war, Chinese war, Indochinese war and Korean war to WW2. All of them were directly related to actions from WW2.

However i think before going to Korea, the 9km visibility bubble has to get sorted first..makes no sense with those fast jets to go through "deep-sea".

Edited December 4, 2016 by II./JG77_Manu*

[Gambit21]

 people who are into flight sims all well know Korea and the Korean war.

 

Certainly true with me - however I didn't want to project my own experience on everyone else.

I know people who can name a few WWII aircraft but would be at a loss to tell you much about Korea - of course those are not flight sim people.

 

I've rarely ever known other flight sim people in real life - in fact the grand total is ONE...which tells you something.

[Cybermat47]

I think if they are struggling to sell a WW2 sim, they'd really struggle to sell a Korean sim, esp given that DCS already do the sabre and mig-15.

DCS does the Sabre and the MiG, yes, but they don't do Korea at all.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Wasn't the answer to torpedos in kuban more like: 'maybe later.'

But not 'no'?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

Yep. This question about air dropped torpedoes has come up a few times and each time its been the same answer: Definitely on the want list but not on the list for things likely to appear at launch.

[Custard]

Anyone remember the date for likely coop mode implementation?

[Cybermat47]

On the other hand, the Korean conflict hasn't smitten me enough because I'm pretty sure it will be all American aircraft on the allied side, and Seafires, Hawker Sea Furies and Fairey Fireflies won't get a look in

Still, I enjoy the Mig and Sabre in other sims.

Personally what I would like to see for the UN is the Meteor and F-86 as fighters, the F-51 D/CA-17/CA-18 Mustang as the ground attacker, B-26 for the bomber, and the Sea Fury as the premium. Maybe the B-29 as a later collector's aircraft.

 

For the Communist forces, it would be the La-9 and MiG-15bis as fighters, the IL-10 as the ground attacker, the Tu-2 as the bomber, and the Po-2 as the premium. I'm not sure what a good collector's plane would be. Perhaps the La-11?

[Bando]

Yak 18.

 

Almost all Korean pilots got their training on it and the plane was used as a night bomber.

 

It's almost beyond believe, but the plane is still in active duty today.