1CGS BlackSix Posted September 12, 2016 1CGS Posted September 12, 2016 Dear friends, We need your help! We're looking for any information, descriptions and photos of Soviet and German airfields for our new project Battle of Kuban. The list of known airfields: Kerch Peninsula: BagerovoKertschKertsch IV Kuban: Anapa (Anapa) Krymskaja (Krymskaya)Gostagajewskaja (Gostagaevskaya) Taman (Taman’) Abinskaja (Abinskaya)Achtyrskaja (Akhtyrskaya) Adler Gelendjik (Helendzhik)Iwanowskaja (Ivanovskaya)Korenowskaja (Korenovskaya) Krasnoarmeyskaya KrasnodarLabinskja (Labinskaya)Lasarewskaja (Lazarevskoye) MaikopSt. Mirskaja (St. Mirskaya)Nowowelitschkowskaja (Novovelichkovskaya) Novotitarovskaya PashkovskayaPopowitschewskaja (Popovicheskaya)Sslawjanskaja (Slavyanskaya) Staronijnesteblievskaya Timoshevskaya Tihoresck 2
Juri_JS Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 Author Henry L. deZeng is working on collecting information for all Luftwaffe airfields in Europe and North Africa. He's using both published and archival sources. The information on the eastern front airfields has not been made public yet, but I think it's likely that he might be able to help. http://www.ww2.dk/lwairfields.html 1
216th_Lucas_From_Hell Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 BlackSix, see if you can get in touch with Stebas on Mission4Today, he created a very well-documented Kuban campaign for Il-2 and updated it last year, so he is still around. I will look through what I have and see if there is anything relevant here
Chief_Mouser Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) Hi BlackSix, here's what I can find on WWII Aerial Photos and Maps http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/index.html Abinskaya http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Abinskaja%20%20004.html Adler http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20024.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20025.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20026.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20027.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20028.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20029.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20030.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20031.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20032.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20033.html Anapa http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anapa%20%20001.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anapa%20%20148.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anapa%20%20149.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anapa%20%20153.html Anapa III http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anapa%20III%20%20154.html Gelendzhik III & IV http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningg/citynames-gele-gust/slides/Gelendshik%20II%20IV%20%20007.html Krasnodar II http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kras-kros/slides/Krasnodar%20%20026.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kras-kros/slides/Krasnodar%20II%20%20018.html Krasnodar III http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kras-kros/slides/Krassnodar%20III%20%20027.html Novorossiysk http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningn/citynames-nisk-novo/slides/Novorossiysk%20Russia%20%20012.html Novotitarovskaya http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningn/citynames-novo-nyri/slides/Novotitarovskaya%20Russia%20%20002.html Tikhoretsk http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningt/City%20Names%20TERB%20to%20TIMI/slides/Tikhoretsk%20Russia%20%20037.html Timoshevskaya http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningt/City%20Names%20TERB%20to%20TIMI/slides/Timashevskaya%20Russia%20%20008.html Some are only partial, although quite a few are really detailed. Cheers. Edited September 13, 2016 by 216th_Cat 1
jvm Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 (edited) Edit: Damned I have been too long... For Bagerovo photos are difficult to find. However a careful observation of Google Earth aerial view shows beside and under the monster 1947-1950 russian installation old runways and taxiways which are probably German. There is a surviving hangar which is very typically german.... It would be possible to recretae a close semblance of what the airfield was in 1943. I can probably do that if you want (with a bit of poetic license probably but it cannot be helped) I presume you know the resource already but anyway: For Kersch: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/aerialmiscellaneous/slides/Kerch%201-1944.html The airfield is bottom right, probably in a not too good shape compared to 1943. It is visibly deactivated at this time (trenches in the middle). the image cuts off its W part, but this area is still undevelopedas of now so GE image would help fill the missing part nicely. For Taman: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/aerialmiscellaneous/slides/Kerch%201-1944.html I think the airfield is E of the city centered here: 45°12'35.71"N 36°44'40.81"E There is an oblique aerial of Taman: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningt/City%20Names%20TAMA%20to%20TEOF/slides/Taman%20Russia%20%20001.html Details are sketchy but I think I am right. For Krasnodar see here: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kras-kros/slides/Krasnodar%20%20026.html and http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kras-kros/slides/Krasnodar%20II%20%20018.htm Funnily enough the Germans have named the same airfield Krasnodar as well as Krasnodar II! This airfield has been lost to the town development. The center of the airfield is about there: 45°03'32.61"N 38°57'20.28"E For Krasnodar III aka Pashkovskaya: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kras-kros/slides/Krassnodar%20III%20%20027.html Google Earth is of no help here urbanization has utterly erased any trace of the airfield (center there: 45°01'52.90"N 39°04'34.51"E) For Abinskaja: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Abinskaja%20%20004.html Actual location is 44°53'22.84"N 38°09'46.51"E (not yet totally disappeared) For Adler: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Adlert%20%20024.html Location is 43°26'45.22"N 39°56'17.90"E. International airport (Sochi serving airport). For Anapa: www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anapa%20%20150.html and http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anapa%20%20001.html Actual location: 44°52'19.98"N 37°19'25.16"E (not yet totally erased) There was another airfield known to the germans as Anapa III: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anapa%20III%20%20154.html This is the actual location of Krasnyy Kurgan airfield: 44°59'49.26"N 37°20'47.82"E For Maikop I: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningm/citynames-mach-malw/slides/Maikop%20I%20%20017.html and http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningm/citynames-mach-malw/slides/Maikop%20I%20%20018.html Still there as old abandoned Soviet era airfield (but with grass runway): 44°38'13.54"N 40°06'21.20"E For Maikop III: http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningm/citynames-mach-malw/slides/Maikop%20III%20%20016.html totally erased: 44°36'28.49"N 40°03'54.63"E That will be all for today. I will continue exploring this marvellous site if you are interested... Cheers jvm Edited September 12, 2016 by jvm 2
Chief_Mouser Posted September 12, 2016 Posted September 12, 2016 I will continue exploring this marvellous site if you are interested... Cheers jvm Keep looking jvm. Between us we should find everything that there is to find. Cheers.
Chief_Mouser Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Here's one that might just be on the western edge of the map: Ak-Monaj 45°13'17.90"N 35°35'23.65"E http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-abascha-ales/slides/Ak-Monaj%20%20079.html Btw, jvm, I don't think that the area in Kertsch you picked up is the airfield. Looking at the heights on Google Earth it appears to be a hill - 75m in the middle and 55m and 35m around the edge. Cheers. Edited September 13, 2016 by 216th_Cat 2
Chief_Mouser Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) Three more: Anastasiyevskaya 45°11'52.08"N 37°52'13.75"E http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anastassijewskaja%20%20143.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anastassijewskaja%20%20145.html Anastasiyevskaya II 45°14'9.48"N 37°58'21.12"E http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Anastassijewskaja%20II%20144.html Angelinskaya 45°23'19.14"N 38°28'20.66"E http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-ales-apa/slides/Angelinskaja%20%20132.html Cheers. Edited September 13, 2016 by 216th_Cat 2
jvm Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 Btw, jvm, I don't think that the area in Kertsch you picked up is the airfield. Looking at the heights on Google Earth it appears to be a hill - 75m in the middle and 55m and 35m around the edge. Cheers. I guess you are right (these are the limits of photo interpretation if you have no corroborating data!)...So Kerch I is probably the actual Kertch airport (the area SW of village of Voikove (new name of Katerles)).
Fern Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) 1947? Kerch and Baherove Edited September 13, 2016 by Fern
Chief_Mouser Posted September 13, 2016 Posted September 13, 2016 I guess you are right (these are the limits of photo interpretation if you have no corroborating data!)...So Kerch I is probably the actual Kertch airport (the area SW of village of Voikove (new name of Katerles)). Yes, looking at Fern's photo as well then that probably is Kerch. I also agree that with your interpretation of Bagerovo. Here's an interesting drone flight above the field after the Russian runways were stripped out; what looks like the German ones weren't touched. There is also a good shot of the 'German' hangar and a great feel for what the countryside looks like. Cheers. 3
1CGS LukeFF Posted September 14, 2016 1CGS Posted September 14, 2016 Varvarovka, German airfield, used by Sch.G.1 in the Krasnodar Krai region. Coordinates
707shap_Srbin Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 Varvarovka, German airfield, used by Sch.G.1 in the Krasnodar Krai region. Coordinates Varvarovka, german airfield, used by Schl.G.1 and JG3 is located in 21 km SSW from Belgorod, and was used during Battle of Kursk. 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted September 14, 2016 1CGS Posted September 14, 2016 Varvarovka, german airfield, used by Schl.G.1 and JG3 is located in 21 km SSW from Belgorod, and was used during Battle of Kursk. Ah, my mistake, then!
jvm Posted September 14, 2016 Posted September 14, 2016 It is very easy to be fooled by identical names...Only way to check is go on the ground and/or to look at aerial of the time or of a short time after and to begin with, to check simple feasibility. The Varvarovka near Sochi cannot seemingly have an airfield judging by the relief there...(Lot of) experience talking...
Chief_Mouser Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) Some more: Gelendzhik (I)? 44°35'29.40"N 38° 2'23.05"E – western edge of photo http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningg/citynames-gele-gust/slides/Gelendshik%20Bucht%20%20003.html More Adler http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/moderncitynamesa/slides/Adler%20Russia%20%20013.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/moderncitynamesa/slides/Adler%20Russia%20%20014.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/moderncitynamesa/slides/Adler%20Russia%20%20015.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/moderncitynamesa/slides/Adler%20Russia%20%20016.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/moderncitynamesa/slides/Adler%20Russia%20%20017.html More Angelinskaya http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/moderncitynamesa/slides/Angelinskaya%20Russia%20%20095.html Armavir I – this might be off the Eastern edge. 44°58'10.54"N 41° 6'31.23"E http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningg/citynames-gele-gust/slides/Gelendshik%20Bucht%20%20003.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-arc-bak/slides/Armawir%20%20112.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-arc-bak/slides/Armawir%20%20113.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-arc-bak/slides/Armawir%20%20120.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-arc-bak/slides/Armawir%20%20121.html Armavir I & II http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-arc-bak/slides/Armawir%20%20118.html http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginninga/citynames-arc-bak/slides/Armawir%20%20123.html Cheers. Edited September 15, 2016 by 216th_Cat 2
Chief_Mouser Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) Anyone translate for us? The photos of both Maikop I & III (March 42) are all grass but that looks like a concrete apron in the drawing. Maybe it's Maikop II? Odd drawing altogether - the legend has Me109 and Me110 on it but the aircraft are represented by swept wing jets! Interesting. Cheers. Edit: Maikop I fits the detail on the bottom of the drawing, so it's that. The second photo of Maikop I listed by jvm is April '43 and still all grass, so is the grey shaded bit just representing the runway? Edited September 15, 2016 by 216th_Cat
Fern Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) This maps gives an idea where the other Kerch airfields lies. (Northeast of Kerch) Anyone translate for us? The photos of both Maikop I & III (March 42) are all grass but that looks like a concrete apron in the drawing. Maybe it's Maikop II? Odd drawing altogether - the legend has Me109 and Me110 on it but the aircraft are represented by swept wing jets! Interesting.Cheers.Edit: Maikop I fits the detail on the bottom of the drawing, so it's that. The second photo of Maikop I listed by jvm is April '43 and still all grass, so is the grey shaded bit just representing the runway? Cat, that drawing was used for Maikop Landings. Edited September 15, 2016 by Fern 1
707shap_Srbin Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 so is the grey shaded bit just representing the runway? Взлётно-посадочная полоса - Take-off and landing way. Железнодорожный вокзал - railway station. BTW, I noted two Kertch airfields: Kertch-2 and Kertch-Osaviakhim. 1
Chief_Mouser Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) This maps gives an idea where the other Kerch airfields lies. (Northeast of Kerch) Great map! Cat, that drawing was used for Maikop Landings. Blimey! What were they expecting? Взлётно-посадочная полоса - Take-off and landing way. Железнодорожный вокзал - railway station. Thanks. Curiosity satisfied! Cheers. Edited September 15, 2016 by 216th_Cat
Chief_Mouser Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) Here's another one on the eastern side: Kavkaskaya 40°41'32.83" E 45°28'4.50"N http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kas-kess/slides/Kawkaskaja%20%20093.html Pashkovskaya is Krasnodar III - the locality name is just below the airfield on the photo. Slavyanskaya appears to be just north of Ost-Labinsk 45°14'19.63" N 39°42'41.24"E Google Earth goes there with Slavyanskaya Ulitsa, and there is what appears to be clear evidence of a runway visible. Could this also be 'Labinskaya'? Cheers. Edited September 16, 2016 by 216th_Cat 1
MiloMorai Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 WW2 maps of the area. http://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo:70725 http://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo:70722 1
Haza Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 Gents, Not sure if any help, but thought that the link to the webpage and perhaps even the website owner might be a good POC. Regards Haza http://www.forgottenairfields.com/autonomous-republic-of-crimea/
Chief_Mouser Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) Two more: Kijat 45°14'50.07" N 35°40'6.31"E http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kib-kil/slides/Kijat%20%20004.html Kiyevskoye 45° 3'28.59" N 37°52'23.84"E http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginningk/citynames-kib-kil/slides/Kijewskoje%20%20005.html Cheers. Edited September 16, 2016 by 216th_Cat 2
Chief_Mouser Posted September 18, 2016 Posted September 18, 2016 I can't find any more in the Target Dossiers on that site apart from this - another one of Ak-Monaj. Alternative name Semissotka (Semysotka)? 45°13'32.29" N 35°35'47.78"E http://www.wwii-photos-maps.com/targetrussia/citynamesbeginnings/citynames-schk-send/slides/Semissotka%20%20034.html Cheers. 1
Fern Posted September 19, 2016 Posted September 19, 2016 (edited) Another Novorossiysk: This one is really good. Shows the whole layout of the airfield. Cool website also. May have other useful stuff to search through. http://retromap.ru/show_pid.php?pid=g4698 Another Armavir stitched together http://retromap.ru/m.php#l=1419437&z=14&y=44.960309&x=41.121344 Anotehr Krasnodar stitched together also http://retromap.ru/m.php#r=1419436&z=14&y=45.051879&x=38.955106 Edited September 19, 2016 by Fern 1
707shap_Srbin Posted September 19, 2016 Posted September 19, 2016 Ak-Monaj. Alternative name Semissotka (Semysotka) Ак-Монай (Ak-Monaj) was a crimean-turkic name (Ak - white), before 1945, when it was renamed in Kamenskoje. Now it is included in nearer place Semisotka.
Chief_Mouser Posted September 19, 2016 Posted September 19, 2016 Another Novorossiysk: This one is really good. Shows the whole layout of the airfield. Cool website also. May have other useful stuff to search through. http://retromap.ru/show_pid.php?pid=g4698 Another Armavir stitched together http://retromap.ru/m.php#l=1419437&z=14&y=44.960309&x=41.121344 Anotehr Krasnodar stitched together also http://retromap.ru/m.php#r=1419436&z=14&y=45.051879&x=38.955106 Oh wow! Didn't know this website. Speaking as a retired mapmaker these are just brilliant! I used to love working from air photos, but seeing them stitched together is great. Thankyou and cheers! 1
Chief_Mouser Posted September 23, 2016 Posted September 23, 2016 (edited) Excellent 1941 (supposedly) map of Kerch and Taman peninsulars from the site Fern posted above. No airfields though. Cheers. http://retromap.ru/m.php#l=14194129&z=9&y=45.170521&x=36.836634&lang=en Edited September 23, 2016 by 216th_Cat
1CGS LukeFF Posted March 9, 2020 1CGS Posted March 9, 2020 I know, major necropost, but...I just came across this great site where German docs captured by the Russians are being uploaded: https://germandocsinrussia.org/ru/nodes/1-rossiysko-germanskiy-proekt-po-otsifrovke-trofeynyh-kollektsiy From that, I found an interesting map, called: Akte 161. Übersichtskarte über die sowjetischen Flugplätze in den Ostgebieten, Stand 15.09.1941, mit durchschnittlicher Zahl der sowjetischen Frontflugzeuge in der Zeit vom 21.-30.09.1941. Materialien des Ob. d. L. Führungsstabes. Maßstab 1:2500000 (https://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/nodes/6399-akte-161-bersichtskarte-ber-die-sowjetischen-flugpl-tze-in-den-ostgebieten-stand-15-09-1941-mit-durchschnittlicher-zahl-der-sowjetischen-frontflugzeuge-in-der-zeit-vom-21-30-09-1941-materialien-des-ob-d-l-f-hrungsstabes-ma-stab-1-2500000#page/1/mode/grid/zoom/1). From that, we can see many airfields in the Kuban region, two of which are marked as Kerch-1 and Kerch-III:
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