Flying the Fw 190 A-3 is challenging

[Luft1942]

It's challenging because when I ever I go into the vertical to loop around or really anytime I use the elevator my plane goes into a crazy spinning stall that's very hard to recover from. Is there a trick to this plane? It's very fun to fly so far except for the stalling/spinning part. Its like it barely wants you to use the elevator. It's definitely not like my trusty 109 but it feels nice to fly if you baby it

[Willy__]

[Luft1942]

What? Lol

[Turban]

Just takes a bit of practice. It is very different than all the others in the flying style.

 

With some practice you will almost never spin, and if you do you'll recover quickly.

 

I actually love it very much, once you start knowing the do and dont, it's a lot of fun, way more than any other aircraft.

 

Practice in solo maybe, it helps shape strategies against different aircrafts.

[E69_geramos109]

Just take a 109

[Luft1942]

Just takes a bit of practice. It is very different than all the others in the flying style.

 

With some practice you will almost never spin, and if you do you'll recover quickly.

 

I actually love it very much, once you start knowing the do and dont, it's a lot of fun, way more than any other aircraft.

 

Practice in solo maybe, it helps shape strategies against different aircrafts.

I'm practicing now actually. It is very fun to fly and right off the bat I could tell it was a whole different beast from the 109. I just keep having to remind myself barely pull back on the elevator. I may need to change some sensitivity options matter of fact lol

Just take a 109

Why you say that? I love my 109 but I want to get a feel for the 190 and hopefully become adequate with it

[MadisonV44]

[Turban]

I'm practicing now actually. It is very fun to fly and right off the bat I could tell it was a whole different beast from the 109. I just keep having to remind myself barely pull back on the elevator. I may need to change some sensitivity options matter of fact lol

 

 

 

Tweaking your sensitivity is a good thing and also just fly smooth in general. The danger comes when pitching and rolling to the left in particular. Your rudder game has to be on point. 

Edited September 9, 2016 by Turban

[MadisonV44]

Yes do just like us, fly the 109

[Luft1942]

Tweaking your sensitivity is a good thing and also just fly smooth in general. The danger comes when pitching and rolling to the left in particular. Your rudder game has to be on point.

 

One observation I've made is the plane doesn't like thin air haha it isn't as easy to spin out below 2000 meters. I guess I'm slowly getting the hang of it but it's still very difficult. Anyone who masters this place has all my respect!

[ShamrockOneFive]

I used to be really good at the early FW190A series back in the IL-2 Forgotten Battles days. By and large its quite similarly modeled to the aircraft from back in those days. Rewarding but somewhat difficult to handle.

 

Wingman tactics are ideal and formation attacks sweeping through target areas and generally avoiding getting into close battles is the best option. Requires a different type of combat flying.

[Danziger]

I find the MiG-3 also has limited elevator use. It doesn't freak out as quickly as the 190 but it will definitely stall if you pull as hard as you can with Yak or LaGG. The elevators are also nowhere near as effective as other Russian fighters. When I'm trying to loop it's like slow motion. I always have to remind myself when I'm ground attacking that I have to pull out of a dive way sooner.

[Capt_Stubing]

I think with the current plane set the A3 is a bit out classed in many ways.  It doesn't really have the ability to extend in the lower Alts and it's rolling capability is much slower in this sim versus the older series..  Certainly if you get a bounce it's hard not to smash someone good.   So you're relegated  to hit and runs mostly and the fact the Yak can catch you because you will overheat before he does makes it pretty difficult to be successful.

[Sunde]

I think with the current plane set the A3 is a bit out classed in many ways.  It doesn't really have the ability to extend in the lower Alts and it's rolling capability is much slower in this sim versus the older series..  Certainly if you get a bounce it's hard not to smash someone good.   So you're relegated  to hit and runs mostly and the fact the Yak can catch you because you will overheat before he does makes it pretty difficult to be successful.

Can you overheat the 190?

Also i do agree i dont feel that the 190 is that potent, but it can hold its own if flown correctly, sadly correctly means extend and make fast passes on your opponent, almost never go vertical or turn, just back and forth... 

 

However two 190's working with each other is a completely different animal, and at least in my opinion one of the most lethal fighter combinations in the sim.  

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm pretty curious to see how the A-5 compares up against the A-3 in this sim and what it will be like.

[Luft1942]

Okay so I've spent all day flying the A-3 and I still can't manage to fly it properly without stalling and going into a spin. The only successful tactic I've used has been booming and zooming. Straight in to engage my target and quickly back up. If I turn into a target for a deflection shot I guarantee spin out. I'm not giving up on this bird yet though! It's still really nice to fly but I wasnt expecting it to stall so easily and at least be able to turn fight somewhat.

[ShamrockOneFive]

And that's why the popcorn GIF showed up early in the thread. That stall is the subject of continued debate in the community... Done so properly in the flight model discussion forum.

 

Still, straight in to engage the enemy and then break away IS the proper method of flying the FW190 in my book based on two games worth of experience. Done so properly, it can be devastatingly effective.

[Jade_Monkey]

Seriously just lock the thread, not this again.

[Luft1942]

Seriously just lock the thread, not this again.

I was unaware of this whole Fw 190 fiasco honestly but it might be a good idea to lock it. I didn't know a lot of people were upset about the plane...

[ShamrockOneFive]

So far this has been fairly civil actually.

[303_Kwiatek]

Actually A3 in BOS is only hit and run plane. It is castrated version only for masochist. So or you are masochist or better leave it and wait and pray that some day developers would bring back balls for these plane. But i would not count on it

[Feathered_IV]

I flew the other night for a short while. The roll rate is such however that it makes me feel a bit woozy.

[Caudron431]

This is just how i feel about the Fw190A.

 

The stall issue some encounter with it, well i can live with that, it does'nt bother me actually. The roll rate is good but not that awesome giving the opposition's possibilities, it surprised me a bit, but again that doesn't bother me much either.

 

In fact my main issue is that i expected it to pick up speed quicker, especially in dives. This i think what makes the A3 a tricky plane to master in combat, because for me (my favorite tactics) it makes it  unforgiving.

 

But i still like the plane: in fact all aircraft in this sim all aircraft are interesting and have a different character, which is really nice.  I think there's always something to learn from limitations in FMs (this why i like the P40, and also to a least extent the FW190), but this can only come if you overcome the frustration.

Edited September 10, 2016 by Rayak9Micha

[150GCT_Veltro]

Sensitivity

Pitch 40%

Yaw 70%

 

Speed

450 Km/h as minimum speed.

 

Trim

-25 / -30

 

Wait for a total check with A5.

[Riderocket]

Once you learn the 190 there's no going back to the 109 slug

[Wulf]

Just put the thing back in the hanger and walk away. 

[Feathered_IV]

Sensitivity

Pitch 40%

Yaw 70%

 

Speed

450 Km/h as minimum speed.

 

Trim

-25 / -30

 

Wait for a total check with A5.

 

Thanks Veltro, I'll experiment with that.  I've only had default settings for my MS stick so far and wondered what sensitivity would do.

[MadisonV44]

Changing a curve will never change the plane behavior itself, and moreover you will have to re adapt your curve to each plane

So it's not manageable, unless you are flying exclusively one plane.   

 

but please guys, everything has been stated times and times on the 190 threads ... 

 

- DD 131 confirms the 190 modification is part of the list of great improvement ...  so you should be ok indeed

- Everybody is happy with the 190 except those flying her, not a big problem it's a minority

- VVS pilots are sooo happy with its performance, not a big problem again because it's the majority 

- Pretend that the whiners don't have the skills, it will send the message to others that you are the master of the master instructor pilot. 

 

If you are not happy don't fly her anymore. Just like me and a lot of my fly mates, put back your preferred plane to the Hangar and take it outside well polished with your favorite skin for photo shooting sessions. 

 

Anyway much people are mainly speaking of the stall issue which is not : changing your curve won't affect the real issue which is the speed degradation.

[Riderocket]

Why does everyone say the 190 is bad?? The 109 feels like the controls are so unresponsive compared to the 190. If you want to fly it well here's a tip! Adjust the "adjustable stabiliser" to 0, (not 0% in game... 0 on the gauge) just play around with that stabiliser, I find it effects the plane dramaticly!

Edited September 10, 2016 by Riderocket

[Ace_Pilto]

0% is a great idea. For the VVS.

 

35% nose down -minimum- is much more reasonable for anyone actually wanting to survive a sortie in it. That should give you a level speed of around 450kph at continuous power settings without making the elevator too "stiff".

[MadisonV44]

@ Riderocket :  Majority of pilots know the purpose of the stab and they have been using/adjust it since 2001 in IL-2.

Sorry but I'm not sure that your tip will help a lot of people except new players. 

 

The 109 feels like the controls are so unresponsive compared to the 190. 

 

You are stating the obvious. No problem there.

We are loosing our time with such remarks

Edited September 10, 2016 by MadisonV44

[DD_Arthur]

Just put the thing back in the hanger and walk away. 

 

Unfortunately,  that is what I have done.  A great pity.

[303_Kwiatek]

Yea hangar is the best place for BOS Fw190.

[DD_Arthur]

The "fineness ratio" was changed due to new info posted over on RU forum and accepted by the devs, no?

 

Does anyone have a link to this thread over on the RU forum?

[Feathered_IV]

What is "fineness" anyway?  Is it a translation error, the same way the Russian word for Map comes out as "Card" ?

[Asgar]

IIRC it's describes the shape of a body. stuby and fat -> low ratio, long and thing -> high ratio

[MadisonV44]

In other words we are speaking about Lift-to-drag ratio

[Asgar]

no

[Ace_Pilto]

What is "fineness" anyway?  Is it a translation error, the same way the Russian word for Map comes out as "Card" ?

 

Edit: It turns out it has to do with the shape of the airfoil.

 

More Fineness = less camber and more chord = Less drag. Probably oversimplified but that was the gist I got from reading about it.

Edited September 10, 2016 by Ace_Pilto

[JG5_Zesphr]

The best thing for a 190 is a wingman with that being yourself or a mate. Unlike the 109,the 190 needs to keep it's speed up a lot more. If you start to dip below 350 km/h you need to think about disengaging (stalling will be very easy to accidentally do)  and this is alto why a buddy is better. With a wing man you can do alternate BnZ attacks keeping it simple and the enemy will always be in sight. Personally I try to fly it around 5K an with a mate it's a good height as most of the fights are lower and if needed you can fly away if you are in trouble by diving