Fw-190 after the last update

[FTC_Blaky]

I read the notes carefully, but there are not mentioned any changes to Fw-190 model, but I found trim working completely differently. Can you confirm my finding?

[KoN_]

No updates even though the Whole LW community wants one .

 

Also a fix for the 110 glass wing that breaks off . 

[Lusekofte]

The 110 issue is a critical one, I am sure you could rip the wings of in a dive and hard maneuvering, but I do not think you are physical strong enough to do that maneuvering. And yes, I do not fly the FW, but I am so fed up with the constantly topic of it, I really hope they make a ybermachine out of it one day with no issues, a roll rate never seen before and climb rate that beat ME 163, whatever make people just fly the plane

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

With regards to the FW190 I have started to come to terms with it after I made the warthog floor mounted with a 40 cm "enlargement" :D

It also required tweaking the curves a bit but now I can turn it without snap stall if I treat it gently.

[CUJO_1970]

This issue became toxic long ago and unfortunately has been left to fester. This is why people are so frustrated about it.

 

I put this sim back on the shelf four weeks ago because of it.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I thin it handles just fine. If you are used to the 109, of course the lack of Slats means that the Aircraft will be less stable, especially considering the higher wing loading and worse P/W Ratio. 

It is a lot like the Mc.202, LaGG-3 and I-16 in that way, all of which tend to get very wobbly at high AoAs. 

However I find that it gives you very clear warning, it buffers a long time before stalling, it turns considerably better than most russian fighters, except the Yak and I-16, as long as you remain calm on the stick and keep the speed at around 270-330, below that it becomes very unstable. 

When you feel it shaking, loosen your grip a bit and it will turn better, Take-Off Flaps also help a great deal in Tight Scissoring,. 

 

As a general Rule: You can, and therefore should dictate the terms of engagement. Keep your speed up. Whenever I see peoples tracks and Videos connected to "I don't like 190, change it to my liking" threads, I see them panic, go waaay too steep trying to climb away at as low as 180kph at Combat Power and 4 Cannons and then wonder why they get picked off by Russian Pilots using the little energy they have to go vertical and pick them off like Rotten Fruit. 

 

Whenever I meet a properly flown 190 ingame, I basically stand no chance of Catching him, neither in La-5 or Yak or MiG. 

Whenever I've flown a 190 ingame and remained disciplined enough to keep it's innate advantage in general Energy Level and don't get drawn into turnfights, because although I may win many turnfights with Non-Yaks and I-16s, I am easy pickins afterwards, because I'm great at retaining and using energy, but crap at regaining it once lost. 

Also, never go into any engagement without High Cover, because that's where it is the least forgiving. It doesn't matter what kind of Wondermachine the 190 is, even an I-153 will kill you when it's above you, no matter the fighter you fly.

The 190 doesn't exempt you from intelligent flying, and it seems that is the first thing 190 Pilots seem to suspend, because "Muh superior 190". 

Edited August 23, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Gump]

i dont know what the workload and priorities are for the team, and i know they are working on having the best sim they can achieve with the resources/time they have. i am hoping they are working on fixing this FM with proper equity this time, especially seeing that they have the expert input, data, etc (from previous thread that was locked) to achieve it in little time.

the thing that worries me is if the other goals are swamping them and overshadowing this. i DO hope they consider this important, as the 190 IS one of the most famous planes of the war, and will be noticed by anyone with interest in a serious sim. IMO, it is like spoiled pork on the buffet table. looks good, but watch out for the after effects.

[JG13_opcode]

Somewhat echoing Klaus' feelings, perhaps.

I don't think it's "just fine". I think it needs a little work and fine-tuning but I absolutely do not think it is as bad as some posters on this board have been trying to make it seem. I've read posts like "all you can do is go for a surprise bounce" or "1 pass and run away" which is pretty false.

It is absolutely possible to play the energy game against the VVS birds if you do it in the altitude bands where your performance is better (above ~4500m or so), and I guess also below about 1000m but then you risk being attacked from above.

Story time:

Last night my wingman and I were flying the 190 on WoL. We got caught kinda low (4000m or so) trying to help some 109s that were even lower than us, all tangled up with some Soviets. My wingman got shot down (was my fault), but I managed to extend away and climb. I started dragging 2 Soviets back towards friendly flak, climbing. I climbed and extended, and while they were able to just barely keep up, I slowly built an advantage.

Eventually one of the Soviets disengaged, but one Stoli-drinking Tchaikovsky decided he'd chase me to the friggin' stratosphere if he had to. I hear over Mumble that my wingman has taken off again in another 190, so I figure let's have some fun with this guy. He was in a LaGG-3 which is something like 60 km/h too fast at high altitude, but I could easily extend away from him if I wanted. Instead, because he was so target-fixated, I chose to just keep climbing, going for the ultimate drag n bag. I took a couple of half-hearted guns passes at him, but he kept trying to climb up into me after each one.

By the time my wingman caught up to us I was at 9200m, and the Soviet below me was at least 8500m or so. Long story short, my wingman blasted him and we had a good laugh.

At no time was I in serious danger, because I just used my superior speed to keep the advantage. Any time he tried to do a low yo-yo and hang on the prop I would just unload and extend for separation.

It would have been easier if the 190 was more nimble in a knife fight like the 109, but flown properly (i.e. fast, and with a wingman) it's a solid aircraft with some flaws.

Edited August 23, 2016 by JG13_opcode

[Irgendjemand]

 

As a VVS fan, I'd like to encounter more FW 190s online. And maybe destroy some of them

Must be because noone flies it since its a coffin. Cant run, cant climb, cant dive cant anything against russians. Coffin:P Who likes to fly a coffin. Thats why you dont see any of them online. Noone likes to play without reasonable chances.

[JG13_opcode]

Must be because noone flies it since its a coffin. Cant run, cant climb, cant dive cant anything against russians. Coffin:P Who likes to fly a coffin. Thats why you dont see any of them online. Noone likes to play without reasonable chances.

 

Yeeahhh, that's not really true.  With WEP you're the fastest aircraft in the sim, and up high you're only slower than the Friedrich and the Gustav.

[Irgendjemand]

Yeeahhh, that's not really true.  With WEP you're the fastest aircraft in the sim, and up high you're only slower than the Friedrich and the Gustav.

Yeah and how long can you utilize WEP before you blast the engine?... Or till the LA5 i.e. catches you down low since its faster over a longer period?

Also it might be fast but how long does it take until you reach max speed? Acceleration is just shaite. WEP almost gone until you reach that speed.

Its not even enough to gain proper separation to turn and try to do a headon in most situations except you already have high separation in the first place.

Sure it can be successful aircraft with a wingman. Wich aircraft can not? But its relative performance simply sucks. Energyretention feels like a 110:) At least thats my subjective impression and i think i cant be that wrong. Must be a reason why noone wants to fly it.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[Irgendjemand]

it turns considerably better than most russian fighters

 

 

Sorry. But you clearly dont know what youre talking about. Thats utter nonsense.Have you ever palyed a while on berloga? Just go there and try to turn against anything. Youre just dead meat if you get slower and lower than anything else.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[JG13_opcode]

Yeah and how long can you utilize WEP before you blast the engine?... Or till the LA5 i.e. catches you down low since its faster over a longer period?

I think the limit on Emergency Mode is 5 minutes. I've never hit it so I'm not sure. But I don't fly it on the deck for that reason unless there are lots of friendlies around. Lone-wolfing on the deck or in small numbers is just asking for trouble.

 

Also it might be fast but how long does it take until you reach max speed? Acceleration is just shaite. WEP almost gone until you reach that speed.

Yep, the acceleration blows and was never really good, even historically IIRC. That's why every 190 thread since at least 2001 has always included the advice "keep it fast".

 

Its not even enough to gain proper separation to turn and try to do a headon in most situations except you already have high separation in the first place.

Depends totally on the geometry of the initial engagement. If you have someone saddled up in your rear hemisphere who's anywhere close to co-E, well, you already made the fatal mistake about 5 minutes ago. Edited August 23, 2016 by JG13_opcode

[Gump]

sometimes i wonder where the guys that think it's fine actually fly it. in SP? way up high (6k) where no one ever is? somewhere in the deserted north 40?

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you get too high and you cant see anything on/near the ground. pointless except for hunting high alt bombers, which are a small percentage of the threat. even then, you will still have to emply the hit/run technique.

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SP, against AI, is not even comparable.

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in any kind of active server, in the action 'zone', this thing is a coffin. it's all cool to hear about always staying ahead of and above the enemy. sweet advice - if there's only one enemy to worry about. try and find that kind of scenario in the active zones. you zoom down on an enemy and, chances are, you are going to have to avoid one of his teammates on the way back up, or when you are running with your tail between your legs on the ground. and whoever says this thing turns doesnt fly it with other planes.

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here's how i've found the 190 to be useful in a busy combat area: bait. yeah, all the VVS knows its an easy kill so they go for it like flies to honey. if your teammate 109's are around, all they need to do is set up and watch for the VVS planes to go for it. so it DOES have a tactical purpose.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Gump

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Sorry. But you clearly dont know what youre talking about. Thats utter nonsense.Have you ever palyed a while on berloga? Just go there and try to turn against anything. Youre just dead meat if you get slower and lower than anything else.

Well, it definetly takes more self control to get best turn, and it's no Bi-Plane but the heavier fighters will not outturn you quickly, and with full power you can get a tail on them. 

[Lusekofte]

Must be because noone flies it since its a coffin. Cant run, cant climb, cant dive cant anything against russians. Coffin:P Who likes to fly a coffin. Thats why you dont see any of them online. Noone likes to play without reasonable chances.

 

The FW 190 is the one and only LW plane I flown that no one have shot me down in, I find it a very survivable plane, but I am used to fly IL 2 and PE 2 . The 110 is a far greater risk, it looses the wing in headwind

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

sometimes i wonder where the guys that think it's fine actually fly it. in SP? way up high (6k) where no one ever is? somewhere in the deserted north 40?

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you get too high and you cant see anything on/near the ground. pointless except for hunting high alt bombers, which are a small percentage of the threat. even then, you will still have to emply the hit/run technique.

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SP, against AI, is not even comparable.

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in any kind of active server, in the action 'zone', this thing is a coffin. it's all cool to hear about always staying ahead of and above the enemy. sweet advice - if there's only one enemy to worry about. try and find that kind of scenario in the active zones. you zoom down on an enemy and, chances are, you are going to have to avoid one of his teammates on the way back up, or when you are running with your tail between your legs on the ground. and whoever says this thing turns doesnt fly it with other planes.

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here's how i've found the 190 to be useful in a busy combat area: bait. yeah, all the VVS knows its an easy kill so they go for it like flies to honey. if your teammate 109's are around, all they need to do is set up and watch for the VVS planes to go for it. so it DOES have a tactical purpose.

First Rule for Success: Don't be the Lone Wolf. It's more pronounced in the 190 than in other fighters, but it turns deadly once flown by a coordinated group. It's all about Dragging and Bagging, and that's where the 190 excels. 

[Lusekofte]

sometimes i wonder where the guys that think it's fine actually fly it. in SP? way up high (6k) where no one ever is? somewhere in the deserted north 40?

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you get too high and you cant see anything on/near the ground. pointless except for hunting high alt bombers, which are a small percentage of the threat. even then, you will still have to emply the hit/run technique.

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SP, against AI, is not even comparable.

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in any kind of active server, in the action 'zone', this thing is a coffin. it's all cool to hear about always staying ahead of and above the enemy. sweet advice - if there's only one enemy to worry about. try and find that kind of scenario in the active zones. you zoom down on an enemy and, chances are, you are going to have to avoid one of his teammates on the way back up, or when you are running with your tail between your legs on the ground. and whoever says this thing turns doesnt fly it with other planes.

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here's how i've found the 190 to be useful in a busy combat area: bait. yeah, all the VVS knows its an easy kill so they go for it like flies to honey. if your teammate 109's are around, all they need to do is set up and watch for the VVS planes to go for it. so it DOES have a tactical purpose.

 

I fly it every time I am home and see a topic like this, And every time I find a very bad spot to climb. Get attacked by LA 5 and YAK and manage to dodge them. Luckily they give up after a few zoom attacks. But I obviously never flown the plane in your way, because I do not have these sudden stalls. I do not get into FM discussion because to me a sim is what it present itself to be. I play it as it is, I honestly think this plane is great for ground pounding and survivability , and honestly I look at these topics like real whining . This is what I honestly think, and I am fed up being criticized for having that opinion among the FW whiners. It is what it is, and by all means put the game in the shelves if this is a deal breaker, no one cares

[Gump]

First Rule for Success: Don't be the Lone Wolf. It's more pronounced in the 190 than in other fighters, but it turns deadly once flown by a coordinated group. It's all about Dragging and Bagging, and that's where the 190 excels. 

i could say the same for stukas. a coordinated group, also, is not a solution if you run into a coordinated group of enemy planes.

 

I fly it every time I am home and see a topic like this, And every time I find a very bad spot to climb. Get attacked by LA 5 and YAK and manage to dodge them. Luckily they give up after a few zoom attacks. But I obviously never flown the plane in your way, because I do not have these sudden stalls. I do not get into FM discussion because to me a sim is what it present itself to be. I play it as it is, I honestly think this plane is great for ground pounding and survivability , and honestly I look at these topics like real whining . This is what I honestly think, and I am fed up being criticized for having that opinion among the FW whiners. It is what it is, and by all means put the game in the shelves if this is a deal breaker, no one cares

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i fly the 190 every chance i get. i dont know why, other than i have some weird infatuation with radials. i have taken it into many scenarios. i have practiced with it in SP against various types of planes. most of the time i do not avoid the fight. i know how to keep an enemy 'down' with zooms, if he is alone (or maybe 1 other non-experienced pilot). too many reasons to mention right now as to why that scenario is not very effective in the scheme of the battle.

if you have not had sudden stalls, you are one of the very few. i dont mean to insult, but id venture to say you havent had the thing in a very dangerous situation if you haven't stalled it or been shot down in it. i think the majority of accomplished pilots pilots would say the same. there is a reason why so many pilots are saying the same thing. it is not "whining" to express dissatisfaction with, and a desire to fix, something that is broken. there were very good arguments, including data, to substantiate a genuine FM problem.

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i would not take criticism personally. anything in this discussion is open for agreement or disagreement. if there is a statement that says "there's nothing wrong" in a subject that has been participated in for so long by so many, stating the contrary, there is going to be a critical response.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Gump

[JG13_opcode]

sometimes i wonder where the guys that think it's fine actually fly it. in SP? way up high (6k) where no one ever is? somewhere in the deserted north 40?

I only fly online, and while there aren't many Soviets at 6km, there are lots around 4 km.

 

you get too high and you cant see anything on/near the ground. pointless except for hunting high alt bombers, which are a small percentage of the threat. even then, you will still have to emply the hit/run technique.

If I zoom in, I can easily see people on the ground from 7000m+, unless they're over a big patch of trees and wearing a green paint scheme. Against water or a field, though, it's doable.

 

in any kind of active server, in the action 'zone', this thing is a coffin. it's all cool to hear about always staying ahead of and above the enemy. sweet advice - if there's only one enemy to worry about. try and find that kind of scenario in the active zones. you zoom down on an enemy and, chances are, you are going to have to avoid one of his teammates on the way back up, or when you are running with your tail between your legs on the ground. and whoever says this thing turns doesnt fly it with other planes.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but what kind of dummy flies solo in an "action zone" aka a furball? If I'm lone-wolfing I purposely stay away, no matter which plane I am flying. If you are at a numerical disadvantage, you should retreat unless you hold a considerable altitude advantage. 2v3 only works if you are above, 1v2, so on and so forth.

 

There's a reason that modern air doctrine refers to a 2-aircraft formation as "an element". As in, the smallest indivisible portion. One aircraft on its own is not considered to be an effective threat. Only a "rotte" of two+ aircraft are considered to be tactically relevant. The Luftwaffe adopted this doctrine early on and used it to great effect.

Edited August 23, 2016 by JG13_opcode

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

 

 

i could say the same for stukas. a coordinated group, also, is not a solution if you run into a coordinated group of enemy planes.

 

if you have not had sudden stalls, you are one of the very few. i dont mean to insult, but id venture to say you havent had the thing in a very dangerous situation if you haven't stalled it or been shot down in it. i think the majority of accomplished pilots pilots would say the same. there is a reason why so many pilots are saying the same thing. it is not "whining" to express dissatisfaction with, and a desire to fix, something that is broken. there were very good arguments, including data, to substantiate a genuine FM problem.

 

 

A Single 190 has difficulty gaining a useful Firing solution when chased, apart from Head Ons. The Second Can Bag that one, no matter how many chase him, since he is always faster. Combat effectivness increases by around 5 times with every aircraft added. 

[Gump]

i can count the number of times ive flown in a 190 group in MP in less than half a hand. i also have seen just about as many rottes flown by other pilots in 190's. the 190 is an unpopular plane because it is not competitive as a fighter because of it's FM. or maybe one of you guys can think of a different reason it is so unpopular, and disregard all the discussion up to this point about it. maybe you can say that it is just because pilots do not know how to fly it correctly, but that has been discussed quite a bit already in the other thread. 

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

I fly it every time I am home and see a topic like this, And every time I find a very bad spot to climb. Get attacked by LA 5 and YAK and manage to dodge them. Luckily they give up after a few zoom attacks. But I obviously never flown the plane in your way, because I do not have these sudden stalls. I do not get into FM discussion because to me a sim is what it present itself to be. I play it as it is, I honestly think this plane is great for ground pounding and survivability , and honestly I look at these topics like real whining . This is what I honestly think, and I am fed up being criticized for having that opinion among the FW whiners. It is what it is, and by all means put the game in the shelves if this is a deal breaker, no one cares

 

If you want to fly it as a ground pounder I am not surprised, that you have never gotten into these stalls. The reason you are crtisized for having that opinion, is that people who payed for this plane want to use it (as it was used historically) as an air superiority figher and not a Stuka II, that bombs and then runs. Maybe these people are sick of being called whiners when all they really want is a airplane that is modelled in a believable way IN A SIM. A plane that can do more than run and get home alive, given the case there is no one above them on their way home. If a sim is just what it presents to be, then why is a sim even a category of a game in your opinion?

 

No bad feelings Luse, just my opinion...

[Lusekofte]

I do not take offense, but the FW 190 is what it is in this game, if people shelve the game because they disagree on this plane FM I think it is ridiculous. This is my opinion. 

I never buy a combat flight simulator and believe I will get the real thing, I know it is designed for balanced fighting. There is no such thing as historical numbers in a server and you will not see a uneven fight because of historical differences in the aircraft. There is no way USSR planes could take on a equal numbers of Luftwaffe planes with the difference there was in early stages of the war. But the designers want us to believe that.

This is not a simulator that give historical accuracy , none of these games are simulators pr se. 

The FW 190 is what it is , and I do not find it bad. But I do not say it is accurate. 

But go to Youtube and hear what those flying the FW had to say about this plane. It was not all good and had its fault, it is not the dream to fly that people here think it was . Yes sure it had a better roll rate , or I take your word for it had. But in this game it does not. And everything said here has been said before. I just think it is idiotic to park such a great plane when it obviously can perform good in many ways, if you do I say park it and leave it alone

[LukeFF]

 

 

No updates even though the Whole LW community wants one .

 

You don't speak for "the whole LW community."  

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Fix the accelerated stall and she'd be the world beater we've always read about. You never hear me complain about speed, roll or climb rate like most and I never will. Reset the stall to the way it was before the most recent FM change on her, which seemed accurate before, and you'd cut the complaints by half or more. I still fly her and have plenty of success but the accelerated stall is pretty brutal.

Edited August 24, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[DD_Arthur]

 

What I DO think needs to be looked at is how easily the aircraft snap stalls and enters unrecoverable spins when flown on a personal computer using commonly available joysticks. As the FW 190 behaves now in the sim (forcing the pilot to walk on eggshells any time they turn in combat), it does not represent anything that a competent Air Force would have accepted for mass production or deployed into a combat zone. In that sense it "fails to simulate".

 

Unfortunately the onset point of the unrecoverable stall/spin in game is not something that there is specific "Flight Test Data" to refute because the test pilots would basically have had to die to get it.

 

So the devs would have to exercise some subjective judgment to soften the stall/spin characteristics without turning it into a UFO, and I hope they do. They put so much effort into building this beautiful model and it makes no sense to leave it in a place where people with normal joysticks don't want to use it in any kind of air combat requiring the elevator.

 

 

 

 

This.

 

 

Fix the accelerated stall and she'd be the world beater we've always read about. You never hear me complain about speed, roll or climb rate like most and I never will. Reset the stall to the way it was before the most recent FM change on her, which seemed accurate before, and you'd cut the complaints by half or more. I still fly her and have plenty of success but the accelerated stall is pretty brutal.

 

And this.  It's about the stall characteristics we have now.  Thats it.

[Irgendjemand]

You don't speak for "the whole LW community."  

as if YOU were luftwaffe community. ROFL

Sorry. No way led around this comment:P

Edited August 24, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[LLv24_Zami]

Fix the accelerated stall and she'd be the world beater we've always read about. You never hear me complain about speed, roll or climb rate like most and I never will. Reset the stall to the way it was before the most recent FM change on her, which seemed accurate before, and you'd cut the complaints by half or more. I still fly her and have plenty of success but the accelerated stall is pretty brutal.

This should do the trick IMO.

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

Reset the stall to the way it was before the most recent FM change on her, which seemed accurate before, and you'd cut the complaints by half or more.

 

But I guess that is the problem. If I remember it correctly other members of this community proved that power settings used for FM calibration were wrong. So they tuned fineness ratio as an (already unsatisfying) workaround to fit speed and climb references. Ever since that "fix" the strange stalls happen.

 

So the stalls are just one symptom of the inherent FM problems.

 

I don´t want to come across as a whiner, but there is a reason that the FW FM is discussed in every other thread. The reason is certainly not that people want an Über-plane. The FW is so unpopular online because as Gump said, it is just not competitive. That's what the "Luftwhiners" want - a competitive realistic FW - that's all.

Edited August 24, 2016 by II/JG17_SchwarzeDreizehn

[Dr_Molem]

Stall characteristics, stall speed (15 kph too high, because they refuse to take PEC into consideration), lift/drag ratio, roll rate illogical inertia,... The FM needs a complete overhaul, not "some tweaks". Sure, before they touch the plane a few months ago, it indeed had need some tweaks only, but this is no longer the case today.

[XQ_Lothar29]

I will not dwell much.

 

But the FW190 this simulator does not correspond with the thousands of stories of aces of the Luftwaffe in the world.

 

It is a heavy aircraft, "Fatwolf" It is true that some pilots still fly despite their poor performance.

 

From the start, to this day, FW190 is to become lazy and very dangerous for the Pilot, not for other aircraft.

 

 

 

[II/JG11_ATLAN_VR]

But I guess that is the problem. If I remember it correctly other members of this community proved that power settings used for FM calibration were wrong. So they tuned fineness ratio as an (already unsatisfying) workaround to fit speed and climb references. Ever since that "fix" the strange stalls happen.

 

So the stalls are just one symptom of the inherent FM problems.

 

I don´t want to come across as a whiner, but there is a reason that the FW FM is discussed in every other thread. The reason is certainly not that people want an Über-plane. The FW is so unpopular online because as Gump said, it is just not competitive. That's what the "Luftwhiners" want - a competitive realistic FW - that's all.

 

YOURE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

Edited August 24, 2016 by II/JG11ATLAN

[=EXPEND=13SchwarzeHand]

There is a word in German - verschlimmbessert - meaning trying to fix something on one end but actually ending up making it worse overall. That's what has been done. The FW doesn't need a fix. It needs a complete overhaul.

 

I think reports have been filled en masse. But we got the head position fix!

[Dr_Molem]

Has anyone tried talking to the developers about this issue after the latest FM revision?

 

Yes, did it 2 or 3 months ago, the conversation ended with a fled, from devs.

[Irgendjemand]

Yes, did it 2 or 3 months ago, the conversation ended with a fled, from devs.

a "fled"? So they were fleeing from the discussion?

Edited August 24, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[MiloMorai]

a "fled"? So they were fleeing from the discussion?

 

No it wasn't fleeing/retreat but a tactical withdrawal.

[Willy__]

Yes, did it 2 or 3 months ago, the conversation ended with a fled, from devs.

 

It also ended with some people getting banned aswell...   

Edited August 24, 2016 by JAGER_Staiger

[FTC_Blaky]

Gentlemen, it is impressive what hlave you done to this thread. Anyway, my question again and I am not an LW whinner... I was on vaccation during the last update, flying FW before and after. I have noticed significant increase in amount of elevator trim. To be a bit more specific - the tech chat says I am using about 25% more trim output as if the plane became nose heavier. Has anyone who flies FW regularly noticed the same thing?

Edited August 25, 2016 by I./JG1_Ettel

[SC_Manu653]

the tech chat says I am using about 25% more trim output as if the plane became nose heavier

 

Yes, you are not alone about the triming pitch. Some members from our squad have noticed that the elevator trim was probably changed a little bit . At least at the take-off you are not one notch up but start at neutral posn first.

Edited August 25, 2016 by 4./JG52_Manu653