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[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Back on track.

 

For me it's not important where next theater of war will be. More important is the realisation of Developer Diary No. 120 promises, and to go beyond that perhaps for ones that community suggest. New planes and theaters of war come to me as additions to the increasing realism of flight and combat mechanics together with growin immersion sensation of being a war pilot. 

[Boomerang]

The 'not buying anything unless it's the theatre I want because I'm a customer and that entitles me to sh*t-talk anything I want because muh moneh and muh rights' crowd is totally right. Here is some footage of a few vocal non-customers in their youth

 

 

  Had to chuckle, could not help it..

[FTC_Etherlight]

The 'not buying anything unless it's the theatre I want because I'm a customer and that entitles me to sh*t-talk anything I want because muh moneh and muh rights' crowd is totally right. Here is some footage of a few vocal non-customers in their youth

 

 

You see, that's cute and all and I'd laugh about it, would it not smell of a certain degree of (probably unintended) fanboyism. Yeah, yeah, some people are whiny and shittalk the game and the developers, but there are legitimate criticisms that can be made against both. And while it is true that I as a customer (which I am, since i bought their stuff) have no right to make demands about what they change about the game or do next, I can certainly strongly ask for a reasonable performance and working mechanics/technical framework, as well as state my views about future products that are rumored to be made.

"Not buying anything unless it's the theatre I want because I'm a customer [...]" Yup. That's absolutely true, and although it's probably not fair to you to cut off that quote right there, I will do it, because I think that half sentence alone is indicative of an extremely weird mindset that has taken hold in this small community (like in many small communities surrounding fringe products): That we somehow owe a developer loyalty and support.

How? Why? They are creating a product. They present this product to us and we decide to buy it or leave it. Done. Do they put hard work and their hearts into it? Most likely, wouldn't wanna doubt it, probably makes for a better product, too. But at the end of the day it's still a business transaction and they want to earn money. If they want to earn money, they should do their best to read the market and their consumer base about how to please them in a way that the latter wants to put another pile of money on the table.

Someone wants to buy everything they get out there, regardless of content? Well, good for the developer, they got themselves a fanboy. But don't make the mistake of believing that a developer can survive on fanboys alone. At the end of the day they need a satisfied, ideally broad consumer base, which is difficult in the flight-sim genre. To prevent customers from stating what they are or are not willing to pay for by shaming those people for not being "true believers" people are actually doing a disservice to the developer, since a community board is one source of market observation, which can be quite valuable. If there are a lot of people saying "Nah, not another Russian setting", that might be indicative of a broader sensibility within the customer base that there is a certain fatigue about that part of the product and it might actually be smart to avoid going down that route again.

Just treat this whole ordeal for what it is, please. And right now it's just a popularity circlejerk about what we would like.

 

Pacific or Western Europe please. And good performance. And good spotting. Thanks.

[wtornado]

 

 

HerrMurf' timestamp='1471162465' post='377278'] I can't wait till announce all our plans. But we can't do it all unless everyone, and I mean everyone gets behind us and buys everything we offer

 

They went from we had all the money the budget,finances and resources to make the game to the 3rd add-on. 

 

Like us their mortgage/rent and car payment must be going through at the first of the month.

 

 

 

I like BOS and I am happy with all the planes in that add-on.

[Brano]

"Not buying anything unless it's the theatre I want because I'm a customer [...]" Yup. That's absolutely true, and although it's probably not fair to you to cut off that quote right there, I will do it, because I think that half sentence alone is indicative of an extremely weird mindset that has taken hold in this small community (like in many small communities surrounding fringe products): That we somehow owe a developer loyalty and support.

How? Why? 

Customer-supplier relationship is built upon mutual respect,clear comunication lines,and support. I wouldnt call it a "loyality" per se but there is also such element incorporated into relationship. Both parties expect that cooperation will last in the future. Because that creates stable and secure business environment.

It does not apply for situations when customer buys anything from anyone or supplier just throws whatever products on market for whomever to pick them up.

I feel extremley weird mindset elsewhere...

[RAY-EU]

What Intel Unit is the Best 5980X or 5930K ?

 

Edited August 15, 2016 by RAY-EU

[kendo]

Agreed.

 

I tend to advocate for a 4-7 year upgrade cycle and save the pennies to get the whole thing at once. My new Skylake rig is a big step up from my old Lynnfield based system but its a bit less of one than you'd imagine. If you have a 2 year old CPU it isn't going to be a noticeable difference. Same goes for a slightly older video card. Stick with a good system and then upgrade it with another good system in a few years.

 

The truth is that there hasn't really been major advances in CPUs for PC gaming for the last 4-5 years. There have been small incremental shifts that give very marginal improvements but don't justify upgrading.

 

In my case I was lucky in that the system I put together (specifically for the Cliffs of Dover release) 5 years ago was able to benefit from the then-newly released Intel i5-2500k, which was a huge advance over the previous generation. [that was the one aspect i did get lucky with - as COD itself turned out to be a complete turkey...]

 

And it is still right up there now in terms of capability. See the current Tom's Hardware Gaming CPU hierarchy. Still in the second tier after all these years.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

Edited August 15, 2016 by kendo

[ShamrockOneFive]

The truth is that there hasn't really been major advances in CPUs for PC gaming for the last 4-5 years. There have been small incremental shifts that give very marginal improvements but don't justify upgrading.

 

In my case I was lucky in that the system I put together (specifically for the Cliffs of Dover release) 5 years ago was able to benefit from the then-newly released Intel i5-2500k, which was a huge advance over the previous generation. [that was the one aspect i did get lucky with - as COD itself turned out to be a complete turkey...]

 

And it is still right up there now in terms of capability. See the current Tom's Hardware Gaming CPU hierarchy. Still in the second tier after all these years.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

 

Agreed. Practically speaking from a real world experience even my old Core i7 870 was still doing pretty well in BoS and it was even older and slower than your 2500K which has been a sweet spot CPU for many years. I would probably still be trying to force it along even now if it hadn't started being really unstable after a power surge caused some damage to it. Although it was showing its age in BoS in particular. Every other game was running just fine.

 

My new Core i5 6600 system is undeniably faster than my old system. It's not just the CPU either... its the core chipset, the DDR4 memory and the GPU adding up to a complete package that is higher performing than my old system. There are other benefits too. My new system is much more power and heat efficient too so 90% of the time my chassis and PSU fans are off. Just something my old system couldn't do.

 

This is why I say... 4-7 year upgrade cycles are pretty good. But if I were you with a 2500K, I wouldn't be upgrading yet. Its not enough of a performance bump yet but maybe in a year or two with a few more incremental improvements it will become more worthwhile. And the other improvements that come along with the performance gains like efficiency will add up too.

[Jade_Monkey]

What Intel Unit is the Best 5980X or 5930K ?

 

https://youtu.be/NxvSpkLzXKw

Don't waste your money on a 5980x, especially for gaming.

 

I own the 5930K and its a waste for games. Its much better to get an i5 or i7 with 4 cores and higher clocks.

 

You will save money (parts + electricity bill) and your game will run faster.

[Lfox]

I have basically bought everthing since the release of RoF. I will continue as long as we move away from the eastern front for the next episode and would greatly welcome carrier ops where I think this sim can excel.

 

 

Cheers,

Lfox

[Jade_Monkey]

The truth is that there hasn't really been major advances in CPUs for PC gaming for the last 4-5 years. There have been small incremental shifts that give very marginal improvements but don't justify upgrading.

 

In my case I was lucky in that the system I put together (specifically for the Cliffs of Dover release) 5 years ago was able to benefit from the then-newly released Intel i5-2500k, which was a huge advance over the previous generation. [that was the one aspect i did get lucky with - as COD itself turned out to be a complete turkey...]

 

And it is still right up there now in terms of capability. See the current Tom's Hardware Gaming CPU hierarchy. Still in the second tier after all these years.

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cpu-hierarchy,4312.html

 

Man, that 2500K was just the sweet spot for price performance. It just blew everything else out of the water. It was also when they made OC much simpler. I'm an upgrade junkie, so i've had a 3770K and my current 5930k since then but that was an awesome CPU. Still working like a champ after putting it in my dad's PC.

 

Good old Sandy Bridge.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

This is why I say... 4-7 year upgrade cycles are pretty good. But if I were you with a 2500K, I wouldn't be upgrading yet. Its not enough of a performance bump yet but maybe in a year or two with a few more incremental improvements it will become more worthwhile. And the other improvements that come along with the performance gains like efficiency will add up too.

 

Sandy bridge is second generation while new are 6th generation, there is 4 generations gap, i would say it is enough to upgrade. Generation to genration specialist estimate up to 10 % (max) performance gain. From my perspective  i feel nice performance boost in BOS from i7 6700K on stock clocks against  i5 2500K OC to 4,7 Ghz. Ofcourse all new components are involved in this gain but cpu the most.

 

Beside you can sell old processor faster today. 

Edited August 15, 2016 by 307_Tomcat

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I agree totally. Trouble is when you are short on cash its tempting to do an upgrade to an element such as a new graphics card but often the expense did not bring a good improvement. Better to save the pennies for a new rig to give you say 5 years of cover.

You are getting five years? I find my rig is either crapping out or technology has completely overtaken it at around the three year mark. If you can't afford new rigs every three to five I can see upgrading components in steps as a very viable alternative.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

They went from we had all the money the budget,finances and resources to make the game to the 3rd add-on. 

 

Like us their mortgage/rent and car payment must be going through at the first of the month.

 

 

 

I like BOS and I am happy with all the planes in that add-on.

It would appear they have the money for the next installment but it is a small community and the financiers want a return on investment. As it is a business it needs to turn a profit for the shareholders. That is the reality. It's not like we as the consumers are not getting a quality game for the cash either. He is asking us to stick with it for the long term and I for one am willing, based upon the current track record.

 

Jason's appeal is not for episode 3. The appeal is for continuing the title into additional theaters and making it a long running series. The next installment is a done deal.

[Gump]

It would appear they have the money for the next installment but it is a small community and the financiers want a return on investment. As it is a business it needs to turn a profit for the shareholders. That is the reality. It's not like we as the consumers are not getting a quality game for the cash either. He is asking us to stick with it for the long term and I for one am willing, based upon the current track record.

 

Jason's appeal is not for episode 3. The appeal is for continuing the title into additional theaters and making it a long running series. The next installment is a done deal.

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"small communities" are typically a problematic customer base, interpreted as "small revenue". it is always a struggle for a business to make profit with a small market share. that's why business wisdom is to attain (and possible grow) market share. to a vendor, that easily translates into attracting more customers. it becomes obvious, quickly, that finding out what is "attractive" (desirable by consumers) is important. marketing 101. basic survival skills. try catching a fish with a lure that the fish is not interested in. ha.

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but it continues.... a present customer base does not guarantee future similarity. not only does competition come along, but interests change and, on top of that, ppl LOSE interest in repetitious activities. thrill becomes rote. the flame of love tends toward an ember. remember that new car you thought was the answer to all you dreams 10 yrs ago? what it boils down to is that new experiences/things have an attraction.

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no doubt the devs (and sponsors) of this game understand this. the broader the appeal, the more money. of course, appeal to this community means a good (best) flight/combat sim. seems to me they have achieved that. improvement potential is there, yeah, but they have attracted the core interest. bravo for that, and lets hope they can continue to employ that strategy into a broadening experience (functional and scenario) for customers, both current and future.

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functionality improvement is a given necessity. other marketing strategy is the right of the devs, financiers, and vendors. and there are many factors that need to be considered, which are not always visible to the end consumer. time, money, knowledge, tools, manpower, legal, etc are factors that can be full of surprises and obstacles which hinder the desired ideal. we can hear, from the statement, the 'hint' that money may be presenting a restraint to the goals.

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imho, broadening the customer base is the answer. i have no idea about how the 1C feels about this, but i have heard many ppl say this online and on comms, and observation of different product sales gives a hint, that other fronts and planes are needed to attract other customers. some ppl have no interest, at all, in flying many of these planes or the eastern front. personally, i am of the crowd that enjoys this sim because it works good enough, the MP experience is especially enjoyable, and (like BSR says) it's WW2 planes! However, i cannot ignore the fact that other 'fish' do not bite because they prefer different. i can understand the desire for western planes (my preference too) and a variety of scenarios (avoid the boredom of repetition).

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when its all said and done, a product succeeds when it sells enough to justify its existence. sales come from consumer interest. to market a product, one has to have consumer interest. the more the better. otherwise, the world has another starving artist.

[JG5_Schuck]

Hey Schuck !! Is your mickey mouse 1940s style or too modern for WW2??

 

Hey Gielow, check out Fantasia (1940) i didn't like the stick style Mickey on Carganico's 109.

 

Wait what!? really? where did they say that??  id love that! 

 

   

 

SAG, its the one and only thing that for me lets the game down, that bloody Technical Help and Tips. And not being able to disable or customize them server side. 

I see people 'cheating' with flaps and flying flat out to the 'help messages'.

Its such a shame, as the cockpits and dials are so beautifully modeled, but pointless as you have text/tips telling you what your'e doing.

I fly every plane in game with the HUD/Tips/Techno boll*cks turned off (ask ChiefWH). Its a lot more of a challenge, but so rewarding........ Just how a full real game/server should be!

Id gladly pay £100 just to have that option in game!

 

 

 

And i love the game...... so what every the Devs decide is Ok with me.

 

 

PS This game is crying out for A P39

Edited August 15, 2016 by JG5_Schuck

[Gump]

The 'not buying anything unless it's the theatre I want because I'm a customer and that entitles me to sh*t-talk anything I want because muh moneh and muh rights' crowd is totally right. Here is some footage of a few vocal non-customers in their youth

 

audrey video.

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what a patheitc display of ingratitude. and that girl gets a new car? bad enough to have a child like that, but heaven help society that has to endure that citizen. and, oh, i can imagine the hell she will bring to a husband's life.

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but, this is not a good comparison for this scenario, in that the car was a gift (read: free). the subject here is a purchase.

[Jason_Williams]

Guys,

 

My comments are not meant to cause any public postings of support or non-support. These discussions always go negative. I'm only trying to give some insight to whats going on since everyone has been so patient. Just vote with your wallet, or not when the time is right. I will explain our rationale when the we make our announcement(s) in the near future. It will all be very logical.

 

Most of the delay in information was caused by Albert moving on to another project and me stepping in and working on a plan with the team. Now that that is largely done we can move forward. I've already said more than I planned to, so please just wait for the official announcement without killing each other. If you want to virtually kill each other feel free to do so online. 

 

Jason