Collector Planes - How About a Spitfire

[gx007]

Devs,

 

Great work on latest patch. I love the idea of collector planes. I would buy every lend-lease a/c if offered. More specific, the mere mention of a Spit would open my wallet faster than my wife's chainsaw.

 

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/

 

Kind regards

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Devs,

 

Great work on latest patch. I love the idea of collector planes. I would buy every lend-lease a/c if offered. More specific, the mere mention of a Spit would open my wallet faster than my wife's chainsaw.

 

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/spit/

 

Kind regards

We may get Kuban as a Next Theatre, but no Spitfires were in Stalingrad or Moscow. A  Hurricane would be more realisitc right now, with heavy russian Russian Armament (Shvak and UBS). 

 

Even better, how about an Fi-156.

 

Edited August 12, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus-Mann

[Monostripezebra]

The totally wild other suggestions:

 

Po2

 

Henschel Hs 123

 

or

 

Hensch Hs 129 or FW 189 vs

 

SB-2

 

I think the mindplays have all been to death. But any excuse is nice for posting pictures..

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I wouldn't expect the collector series to include many of the main types which could drive sales of full releases for the most part. The P-40 being a notable exception. I agree the Hurricane would be a more likely candidate than the Spit. I hope they deliver standard Hurries if they produce it and make all of the Soviet armaments the upgrades/options.

 

The Spitfire will be a major player on pretty much any map they make outside of the East and a minor player in the east. It will be a major draw on whatever map they choose to put it in and will drive their main sales (mainsails?). The AC others have listed have a better shot in my opinion.

 

I'd drop for a PBY if we had a map to use it on. Love that old whale and the Soviets actually had some of the most refined airframes with a better hull and vertical tail (Except for that goofy nose turret you could put a basketball player in). ROF proved how beautiful a good seaplane can be with the DN engine too. I'd even use it as a level bomber if there were no ocean going vessels, though, it would take quite a while to get to an altitude where'd I'd feel remotely safe in it.

Edited August 13, 2016 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[Danziger]

I-153, SB-2, LaGG-3s4, Yak-9, Li-2, La-5F, MiG-3s15, etc.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Really, after the Ju-52, the Po-2 would be the only logical choice as a counterpiece. Both were the Workwhores of each side, filled many different roles and were the closest to the infantry. 

 

Just imagine late evening, you pulling your Po-2 out, from under the trees of the forest you are stationed at, onto that narrow, short clearing you have to use as a runway. Imagine loading up the bombs and ammo, getting in,  a quick prayer to coming back alive, quick check, "kontakt" and your little Shvestov 5-cylinder sputters to life blowing the cool evening breeze in your face. 

 

You can feel your heart beating, the blood rushing in your ears, every little bit of life leaving your arms and legs wandering into your breast, it feels ready to burst. You brain races, cold sweat, your hands are wet on the wooden grip, your fingers are powerless, you shake. 

 

Then the signal for take-off, and you just work, the engine rattles, the airframe shakes as you gain speed, you know what you do, have done it countless times before, you are one with the machine, the tail rises and you can feel the aircraft like it was your bones, your flesh, it becomes lighter and lighter, the jumps get longer and longer, the wheels shake you and then everything calms down. 

 

You can almost touch the tops of the trees as you fight your way up, away from the ground, the engine working hard, you ease back on the power, the engine calms down, you are on your way and only fate decides wether you sleep at home tonight, or forever.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I-153, SB-2, LaGG-3s4, Yak-9, Li-2, La-5F, MiG-3s15, etc.

I'd expect at least half of these in a major release as opposed to one off's.

[Danziger]

You know what would be awesome? A DD with a list of planned collector planes

[Feathered_IV]

Maybe sell collectors aircraft in pairs?  Package the bog-standard Spitfires, Mustangs and 1Yaks with a character aircraft like the FW-189, Po2, IAR 80 etc.

[BlitzPig_EL]

The HS 123 would be one of the few Axis planes I'd fly on a regular basis.

[7.GShAP/Silas]

The HS 123 would be one of the few Axis planes I'd fly on a regular basis.

 

 

Same here, but as a prime ground attacker it's bound to be included with a theatre and not as a standalone aircraft.  You'd never see an IL-2M as a standalone either.    Oops! I read HS-129. Seeing what we want to see I guess.

 

 

I don't really understand how a Po-2 is a logical counterpart to the Ju-52 rather than a Li-2, with both sharing in the same game mechanics(thus being efficient additions to the game) .  Po-2 and FW-189 seem more appropriate as a pair, no?

Edited August 13, 2016 by Silas

[Livai]

Do you want Collector planes than cheap Bundle Versions of Planes ok fine. Maybe the next theatre you will see only Collector planes , Collector maps and Collector campaigns. Sure you want to spend more for the next theatre 8x$20 = $160 (Standard Version) or 10x$20 = $200 (Deluxe/Premium Version) only for planes and not forget to add the Collector maps and Collector campaigns something where the planes can fly over to the basket, too....   

[Feathered_IV]

I sometimes question the wisdom of "Red gets x-aircraft, so Blue simply must get a y-aircraft of identical role and performance"  Doesn't it limit variety and development a bit?

Would it break the game it Blue got a high level bomber for example, at the same time that Red got a torpedo plane?

[Rjel]

Maybe sell collectors aircraft in pairs?  Package the bog-standard Spitfires, Mustangs and 1Yaks with a character aircraft like the FW-189, Po2, IAR 80 etc.

Sort of like getting a pretty girl to go out only because she can take along an ugly girlfriend?

 

I'd like to see a handful of missions included with the collector A/C however they end up being packaged. Missions that might make up a mini campaign of sorts.

[Freycinet]

Hurri and Spit would be great planes for this sim, especially having in mind future expansions where they would surely be useful. Also, the developers should have lots of material on the planes since I believe they own the legacy work from Cliffs of Dover. 

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

First I think we need to wait for the announcement. Jason mentioned devs are looking at attemting a more "free" marketing method which does not nessecarily mean we'll see all kinds of nice aircraft sold as collector planes in future (not to mention the most popular ones alieas SPitfire, Hs-129 ect that could fit right into another expansion).

 

Out of the mentioned ones the Hurricane is the most likeliest (is that a word?). It was already proposed in the BoM premium aircraft voting and devs could recycle their CloD ressources for it which offers a great compromise of workload and gain compared to some completely different type.

 

On a long run I hope more collector planes unrelated to the expansion packs will be added including less popular types like Storch, Su-2, Po-2 ect to fresh up the planesets. However, expansion packs should be given priority.

Edited August 13, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka_

[BlitzPig_EL]

I mentioned the Hs 123 because it more than likely would not come in a standard new area of operations plane set.

 

I do not want to see the basic formula changed. I.E.  We get a new theater map that includes a usable basic plane set of aircraft for that area, with a couple (or more) premium, er... collector aircraft that perhaps would only appeal to special interests, like the Hs 123, or say, the Curtiss Hawk III for the air war over China...   and yes devs, that's a hint.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I want the Hs 123 with 75mm gun

[7.GShAP/Silas]

I sometimes question the wisdom of "Red gets x-aircraft, so Blue simply must get a y-aircraft of identical role and performance"  Doesn't it limit variety and development a bit?

Would it break the game it Blue got a high level bomber for example, at the same time that Red got a torpedo plane?

 

 

A dedicated cargo plane with the (however basic)mechanics to go with it is a pretty fundamental addition to the sim, almost on par with adding player controlled tanks.  That's the big reason I think it would be crazy to add a recon plane for the Soviets rather than a transport to role-match the Ju-52.  When it comes to gameplay mechanics, symmetry is an important goal to promote a healthy multiplayer scene.

Edited August 13, 2016 by Silas

[BlitzPig_EL]

I want the Hs 123 with 75mm gun

 

I think you mean the Hs 129.

 

Just to clear this up once and for all, some basic aircraft spotting for you...

 

This is the Hs 123 biplane ground attack aircraft...

 

 

This is the Hs 129 with the rarely used, and rather ineffective 75mm gun, as seen in a heavily retouched photo below...

 

 

 

The Hs 123 was a very effective close support aircraft, well liked by it's pilots. 

 

The Hs 129 was a lumbering, under powered, unrelaible thing that was too slow (even worse with that 75mm monstrosity hung under it) and nothing but meat on the table for even the slowest VVS fighter types.

[Bommel]

Can you use the 75mm gun as "airbrake"? 

 

PS: Why doesn´t it show the BOS Icon underneath my Avatar, I have all License Keys activated on my account here?

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

A little off topic, but the Hs-129 bad reputation for being underpowered came from the Hs-129 A with the Argus engines. The Hs-129 B however was fitted with more powerfull Gnome engines that made up for it.

 

The Hs-129 did not have remarkable manouvrebility though and controlls were found to be heavy. The 75mm cannon fitted to the B-3 made matters worse and when firing the cannon it was found the recoil was so powerfull that it interrupted the fuel flow for a short time.

Edited August 13, 2016 by 6./ZG26_5tuka_

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I think you mean the Hs 129.

 

Just to clear this up once and for all, some basic aircraft spotting for you...

 

This is the Hs 123 biplane ground attack aircraft...

 

---imgsnip---

 

This is the Hs 129 with the rarely used, and rather ineffective 75mm gun, as seen in a heavily retouched photo below...

 

---imgsnip---

 

 

The Hs 123 was a very effective close support aircraft, well liked by it's pilots.

 

The Hs 129 was a lumbering, under powered, unrelaible thing that was too slow (even worse with that 75mm monstrosity hung under it) and nothing but meat on the table for even the slowest VVS fighter types.

lol close enough

 

But I still want that 75mm

Edited August 13, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[MarcoRossolini]

Still holding out for the Po-2/U-2

[L3Pl4K]

Do 217 K would be a nice addition for the Luftwaffe.

Edited August 14, 2016 by L3Pl4K

[BlitzPig_EL]

The VVS needs a medium bomber, one with a significantly larger bomb load than the Pe 2.

[Juri_JS]

Do 217 K would be a nice addition for the Luftwaffe.

It was only used as recon plane in the east.

[L3Pl4K]

 

 

It was only used as recon plane in the east.

Maybe we can find another role for this aircraft.

[Danziger]

The VVS needs a medium bomber, one with a significantly larger bomb load than the Pe 2.

Yer-2, Pe-8?

[BlitzPig_EL]

Was thinking IL 4?

 

Not sure of it's load capacity though.

[keeno]

Hi all, 

 

with regard to the original post...........with BoS/BoM producing the most beautiful planes of any flight sim (IMHO) it would be a real shame not to make the most beautiful aircraft ever built (IMHO).....obviously the Spitfire!

 

Cheers

[216th_Jordan]

Can you use the 75mm gun as "airbrake"?

 

PS: Why doesn´t it show the BOS Icon underneath my Avatar, I have all License Keys activated on my account here?

hey Bommel!

 

You would have needed to preorder both games. Those golden and silver plates are founder-tags for those who supported the title before it was released.

Edited August 16, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[150GCT_Veltro]

Spitfire will be the next one for sure, but not as collector DLC. The question is: MK.Vb or Mk.Vc, Kuban or Med?

[Bommel]

hey Bommel!

 

You would have needed to preorder both games. Those golden and silver plates are founder-tags for those who supported the title before it was released.

That explains it, I bought BoS on Steam after the release.

Thank you!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

 

I don't really understand how a Po-2 is a logical counterpart to the Ju-52 rather than a Li-2, with both sharing in the same game mechanics(thus being efficient additions to the game) .  Po-2 and FW-189 seem more appropriate as a pair, no?

The german Armed forces in the east relied heavily on Airborn Supplies, the Russians didn't. 

The Po-2 and Ju-52 were both of equal significance to the troops, one as a rugged, dependable Transport, the other as the infatries best friend and a great Propagande and Terror Tool. It was also a Feminist Aircraft, the Aircraft of the Night Witches. It brough Mail, Chocolate and Terror and it rescued the wounded.

Both were iconic in their sound and looks. 

 

I'm arguing the point of "Infantries best Friend" or "Iconic Civilian Aircraft of the War" more than anything else. I'm in the same camp as Feathered_IV here. 

 

Of course we had the Fi-156 and Fw-189 for which the Russians never really had exact counterparts, since the Po-2 was pretty much a one-size-fits-all.

 

The counterpiece to the Fw189 could be an I-153. 

[LeLv8_Otto]

It was only used as recon plane in the east.

 

Finnish Airforce used DO 217

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._46_Squadron_(Finland)

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I remember reading that the VVS mainly used Pe-2s and modified Yak9s for reconissence from mid to late war but I might be wrong. The Po-2 would be nice as a collector plane, it doesn't even have to be a counterpart to anything.

 

If you're really looking for sth to counter the Po-2 the He-50 is your closest bet since it was specificly reintroduced to the troops as a night disruption bomber based on the sucess of the Night Witches.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I remember reading that the VVS mainly used Pe-2s and modified Yak9s for reconissence from mid to late war but I might be wrong. The Po-2 would be nice as a collector plane, it doesn't even have to be a counterpart to anything.

 

If you're really looking for sth to counter the Po-2 the He-50 is your closest bet since it was specificly reintroduced to the troops as a night disruption bomber based on the sucess of the Night Witches.

With only 78 produced that's really only Minor. 

 

The Go-145 on the other hand was almost 1200 and flew regulrarly. 

 

[ElPerk]

Finnish Airforce used DO 217

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._46_Squadron_(Finland)

Do 17 Z, not 217.

[seafireliv]

A Hurricane would do in a pinch.