Future Aircraft and Campaign Development

[SOLIDKREATE]

I was wondering if we will ever see the following aircraft as stand alone expansions or will they be released in future campaigns? Or would you allow third party mods to be released via 777/1C?

 

 

• Fw-190A-4
• Fw-190A-5
• Fw-189A-1
• Fw-189A-4
• Bf-109G-6
• Bf-109G-6 A/S
• Bf-109G-14
• Bf-110F-2
• Bf-110G-2
• Hs-129B-2
• Hs-129B-3
• Hs-123A-1
• Me-210A-1
• La-5FN
• La-5N
• IL-4
• DB-3B
• Pe-8
• Yak-2
• Yak-4
• LaGG-3 66
• LaGG-3IT
• LaGG-3 (Gorbunov 105)
• Spitfire Mk.V
• Spitfire Mk.IX
• P-47D-22RE
• P-47D-27RE

Edited December 11, 2015 by 6./ZG1=SPEKTRE76

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Ju-52

[Finkeren]

Some of them: Undoubtably yes (I don't believe we're headed for a new theater just yet after the release of BoM)

 

All of trem: No.

Btw: What's with the fascination of the Yak-2/4?

 

And no Yak-9s or the Yak-3?

[Y-29.Silky]

"Future Aircraft"

Now this is a thread that should be relevant vs all those damn tank request threads!
The next year in IL-2 will probably be 1943, as much as I'd like to see a 1944 Western Europe setting and as much money as it would fill the dev's pockets, I'll be realistic here and go with 1942/Early 43... In Italy.

• P-51B
• P-38
• P-47
• B-26
• B-17F
• Spitfire MkVIII
• Typhoon
• Blenheim
• P-40, Oh wait..
• MC202, Oh wait..
• Bf 109 F-4, Oh wait..
• Bf-109 F-2, Oh wait..
• Bf-110 G-2, Oh wait..
• Bf-109 E-7, Oh wait..
• He-111, Oh wait..
• Ju-87, Oh wait..
• Ju-88, Oh wait..

 

4 representing countries only requiring 8 new aircraft, in 1 series? How about that!

 

Or we can make more Yaks and La's like what's been going on for 12 years.

 

Where are you developers? Read this! The B-17 alone, or the Merlin powered P-51?

Take my money! I can speak for the whole Western hemisphere.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Y-29.Silky

[7.GShAP/Silas]

To be honest, after seeing the dedicated few Americans screaming for city-smasher bombers and late-war American fighters(P-51, P-51, P-51) so loudly and persistently(one could say obnoxiously) , I've developed an unhealthy sensation of wanting it to never happen, cackling madly at their terrible angst.

 

You'll have fun with (probably, hopefully)Kuban, I promise!

Edited December 11, 2015 by Silas

[Finkeren]

Or we can make more Yaks and La's like what's been going on for 12 years.

12 years?

 

If you're counting the entire history of the IL-2 series, it's more than 14 years, and of that, around the first 3 years were spent making planes and maps for the Eastern Front. The rest of the time it's been all about US, British, Japanese and (to some extent) Italian aircraft and coresponding maps. Then there was the long nightmare that was ClOD (didn't seem to have a single Soviet aircraft in it) and then finally BoS which has given the Eastern Front a bit of love for the last couple of years.

 

The only flight sim series to ever cover the Eastern Front has spent only a fraction of its development time actually making stuff for the Eastern Front, and the rest of it making 'Murrican, British etc. Even though the Ilyushin IL-2 is in the friggin' title.

 

Still not good enough. Since WW2 simming has more or less gone belly-up in later years, it's apparently become the duty of the surviving flight sim, which was always about the GPW, to cover everything else.

 

/rant

Edited December 11, 2015 by Finkeren

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Still not good enough. Since WW2 simming has more or less gone belly-up in later years, it's apparently become the duty of the surviving flight sim, which was always about the GPW, to cover everything else.

 

/rant

 

To be honest, after seeing the dedicated few Americans screaming for city-smasher bombers and late-war American fighters(P-51, P-51, P-51) so loudly and persistently(one could say obnoxiously) , I've developed an unhealthy sensation of wanting it to never happen, cackling madly at their terrible angst.

 

You'll have fun with (probably, hopefully)Kuban, I promise!

 

These passages warm my heart  and mind you, I come from the fabled 'Western Hemisphere' that is supposed to 'only' want P-51s. There is another popular sim making Western Europe 1943-1945 as we speak, and when a Russian developer starts making a series that depicts some of the most massive and important military operations of the war in a theatre that is nearly always criminally neglected by the Western perspective of the war and people complain and wish they would shift their focus because they want shiny P-51s like DCS and every single other flight simulator that came before them had? 

[Finkeren]

Indeed Lucas...

 

It's not, that I don't like all the other theatres that could be covered, and I most certainly like a lot of US and (especially) British warbirds.

 

It's just, that this sim, like its original ancestor, was always focused on, and developed for the Eastern Front, and I'd like for it to keep its focus and not scatter all over the place.

[HR_Tumu]

no 

 

I-153???

 

 

bah!

 

[wtornado]

Medium and heavy bombers are nice but very few of us fly them.And be rest assured everyone chases us

down in our HE-111's to destroy us.

 

Flying a modded B-17 in IL-2 1946 was doable with the big maps we could chose and you could complete a whole

mission and get back to base.

 

Maps are to small online in this game to get to 25 000 feet and even dream of getting back to base in one piece

in a B-17.

[Dutchvdm]

"Future Aircraft"

 

Now this is a thread that should be relevant vs all those damn tank request threads!

The next year in IL-2 will probably be 1943, as much as I'd like to see a 1944 Western Europe setting and as much money as it would fill the dev's pockets, I'll be realistic here and go with 1942/Early 43... In Italy.

• P-51B
• P-38
• P-47
• B-26
• B-17F
• Spitfire MkVIII
• Typhoon
• Blenheim
• P-40, Oh wait..
• MC202, Oh wait..
• Bf 109 F-4, Oh wait..
• Bf-109 F-2, Oh wait..
• Bf-110 G-2, Oh wait..
• Bf-109 E-7, Oh wait..
• He-111, Oh wait..
• Ju-87, Oh wait..
• Ju-88, Oh wait..

 

4 representing countries only requiring 8 new aircraft, in 1 series? How about that!

 

Or we can make more Yaks and La's like what's been going on for 12 years.

 

Where are you developers? Read this! The B-17 alone, or the Merlin powered P-51?

Take my money! I can speak for the whole Western hemisphere.

 

My Rig is already shivering with the thought of rendering a large formation of B17's.... Five or six AI Heinkels is enough to bring framerates down to 30. 

 

Grtz Martijn 

[TP_Jacko]

no 

 

I-153???

 

 

bah!

 

Yeeeah I-153 with rockets 

 

 

Oh and skis for the winter. Try to stop ground loop with them eh

Edited December 11, 2015 by TP_Jacko

[mb339pan]

Mediterranean and North Africa = WIN

[Finkeren]

Oh and skis for the winter. Try to stop ground loop with them eh

Actually a pair of parallel skis very much want to go in a straight line, so the tendency to ground loop is pretty small, much less than with wheels, unless one ski hit a solid obstacle.

 

Just make sure there's plenty of space to slow down on.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Finkeren

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

What, no P-39?

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Indeed Lucas...

 

It's not, that I don't like all the other theatres that could be covered, and I most certainly like a lot of US and (especially) British warbirds.

 

It's just, that this sim, like its original ancestor, was always focused on, and developed for the Eastern Front, and I'd like for it to keep its focus and not scatter all over the place.

 

I feel the same way. There is one modern Eastern Front simulator, from Russian developers, and people want to go DCS-style with it and have a little window into each theatre just because they feel the Western Front is more important - yes, I'll say it, because everyone tries to hide under the 'I want this because the sales will be better' but everyone here is just pushing their interests, myself included.

 

Eagle Dynamics and co. are making a Normandy and Corsica map so there will be Western Europe and Med, and there will be enough 1943-1945 aircraft to go with it. On TV and movies the USAAF, RAF and co. are featured in just about every single aviation-related WW2 production, including the incoming Mighty Eight miniseries. Yet people from formerly Soviet countries and the rest who are interested in that side of history need to contend with the (fairly great, that has to be said) pre-1980 Soviet movies about pilots, which are hard to find with subtitles if your Russian isn't up to speed, and a modern simulator with two modules.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm going to make a wild guess that we'll probably see most or all of the aircraft that people typically want... But in time. Going at 10 warbirds a year is going to take some serious time to get through them. I like the Eastern Front focus and if it stays there for a while yet I'd be perfectly fine with that. The thing I'm getting excited about is being able to play Moscow to Stalingrad to whatever comes next in a logical theatre progression.

 

I'm guessing it'll be focused on major battles so Moscow > Stalingrad > Kursk > Berlin. And then I could wildly speculate that the devs could then perhaps do North Africa > Normandy > Rhine?

 

I still think the Kuban and Crimean campaigns would be super cool.

 

Plus... I really want to see a Yak-9 sometime in the future.

Edited December 11, 2015 by ShamrockOneFive

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Talking about biplanes....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_pMYtF_s8c

[BraveSirRobin]

I feel the same way. There is one modern Eastern Front simulator, from Russian developers, and people want to go DCS-style with it and have a little window into each theatre just because they feel the Western Front is more important - yes, I'll say it, because everyone tries to hide under the 'I want this because the sales will be better' but everyone here is just pushing their interests, myself included.

 

Adding the Med theater next could improve the game for people who prefer Western aircraft and improve the game for people who prefer the Eastern front by adding more German and lend-lease aircraft.

[The_Sparrow]

As mentioned, P-39 would be really fun.

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I see what you mean but it would mean some rather fragmented sequence, and considering DCS has Corsica plus relevant aircraft coming up it's hardly worth the hassle to charge head-on against a developer studio that has no plans to go to the Eastern Front just yet.

 

It makes more sense to flesh out the Eastern Front with those aircraft (P-39s and Spitfires and whatever else) and then port them elsewhere, that way you get a more fleshed out Eastern Front experience while also starting out on new fronts, thus everybody wins, with the added bonus that when the Airacobras storm Italy or Northern Africa the pilots will be a little more used to it so they'll stall -a little bit- less

 

Granted, we don't know what format comes next and neither do the developers so... we wait

[BraveSirRobin]

I see what you mean but it would mean some rather fragmented sequence, and considering DCS has Corsica plus relevant aircraft coming up it's hardly worth the hassle to charge head-on against a developer studio that has no plans to go to the Eastern Front just yet.

 

 

DCS has set a standard for fragmented development that will probably not be matched in our lifetimes.  And I'll be surprised if they release any more maps in our lifetimes.  

[Finkeren]

To be fair: I really can't fault people for not having the patience for things that are "upcoming" for DCS...

 

Still, doesn't mean this sim shouldn't finish what it started.

 

Oh... And I'd loooooveeeee to fly the P-39 in this sim.

[BraveSirRobin]

It makes more sense to flesh out the Eastern Front with those aircraft (P-39s and Spitfires and whatever else) and then port them elsewhere, that way you get a more fleshed out Eastern Front experience while also starting out on new fronts, thus everybody wins, with the added bonus that when the Airacobras storm Italy or Northern Africa the pilots will be a little more used to it so they'll stall -a little bit- less

 

Adding lead-lease aircraft to Russian maps helps you with Western theaters at some time in the future.  Including lend-lease aircraft with a Med map helps you with existing Russian theaters now.

[PatrickAWlson]

IMHO stay the course.  

 

10 planes per product.  After BoM there will be a 1941 and 1942 product that extends into 1943.  Let's keep going.  Pick a 1943 battle (Kursk is the most significant).  Add the planes.  Pick a 1944 battle.  Bagration or a part of it.  Add 1944 planes.  Probably don't need a 1945 plane set since there were no significant new Eastern Front aircraft in that time.  So really two more products with 10 planes each.  I'm not even sure that we need 10 planes.  Once that is done this series will have 40 planes modeled from 1941 to the end of the war.

 

Once there is a plane set (representative, not 100% complete) covering the entire Eastern Front conflict additional maps can be created.  Other development resources could move to new products (a different theater). 

 

That's my two cents anyway.  

 

But then again, what I really want is an Albatros C.III

[6./ZG26_Custard]

I think the Battle of Kursk has to be one of the top contenders for the next  theater.  If we get a panther in a future update it's probably almost a certainty.  

 

Edited December 11, 2015 by 6./ZG26_Custard

[=CFC=Conky]

I'm going to make a wild guess that we'll probably see most or all of the aircraft that people typically want... But in time. Going at 10 warbirds a year is going to take some serious time to get through them. I like the Eastern Front focus and if it stays there for a while yet I'd be perfectly fine with that. The thing I'm getting excited about is being able to play Moscow to Stalingrad to whatever comes next in a logical theatre progression.

 

I'm guessing it'll be focused on major battles so Moscow > Stalingrad > Kursk > Berlin. And then I could wildly speculate that the devs could then perhaps do North Africa > Normandy > Rhine?

 

I still think the Kuban and Crimean campaigns would be super cool.

 

Plus... I really want to see a Yak-9 sometime in the future.

 

Lots of interesting campaigns between Kursk and Berlin Shamrock. Like you, I'm ok with the focus on the Eastern Front; if the devs get around to making more of the lend-lease kites like the Spitfire, Thunderbolt, Boston, Hurricane, etc, then I suppose a look at the Western Front would be appropriate. I'd like to eventually see some Japanese aircraft added to the mix so we could do some Far East scenarios, like Kalkin Gol in 1939 or Manchuria in 1945. 

 

Good hunting,

=CFC=Conky

[ShamrockOneFive]

DCS has set a standard for fragmented development that will probably not be matched in our lifetimes.  And I'll be surprised if they release any more maps in our lifetimes.  

 

Indeed they do. When they announced the types of aircraft in the lineup they were working on... It made no sense. FW190D-9, Bf109K-4... and Spitfire IX? Over Normandy? Only one of these things matches. They don't match the map they are making or the time period at all. They have some fantastic stuff going on but some giant weaknesses too and that is evident to me in what aircraft they chose to represent.

 

By comparison... 1CGS made excellent aircraft choices from a historical perspective as well as from a multiplayer point of view. That suggests to me some level of critical thinking and focus that I'm not seeing from DCS.

 

DCS is doing much better focused on the modern era. They excel at it.

[PatrickAWlson]

Adding lead-lease aircraft to Russian maps helps you with Western theaters at some time in the future.  Including lend-lease aircraft with a Med map helps you with existing Russian theaters now.

 

If a Western theater is going to be done then IMHO Med, BoB, or Channel front (a very interesting and mostly ignored period) is the way to go.  These were still tactical air theaters and, if lend lease planes are modeled the only thing missing from a viable (not perfect) plane set would be a few British and Italian medium bombers.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

"Future Aircraft"

 

Now this is a thread that should be relevant vs all those damn tank request threads!

The next year in IL-2 will probably be 1943, as much as I'd like to see a 1944 Western Europe setting and as much money as it would fill the dev's pockets, I'll be realistic here and go with 1942/Early 43... In Italy.

• P-51B
• P-38
• P-47
• B-26
• B-17F
• Spitfire MkVIII
• Typhoon
• Blenheim
• P-40, Oh wait..
• MC202, Oh wait..
• Bf 109 F-4, Oh wait..
• Bf-109 F-2, Oh wait..
• Bf-110 G-2, Oh wait..
• Bf-109 E-7, Oh wait..
• He-111, Oh wait..
• Ju-87, Oh wait..
• Ju-88, Oh wait..

 

4 representing countries only requiring 8 new aircraft, in 1 series? How about that!

 

Or we can make more Yaks and La's like what's been going on for 12 years.

 

Where are you developers? Read this! The B-17 alone, or the Merlin powered P-51?

Take my money! I can speak for the whole Western hemisphere.

 

I like your list (minus the B-17 which will likely never happen) but I am willing (resigned?) to slog through Kuban first to get there. It should, however, absolutely be the fouth installment. I'd, frankly be surprised, based on numerous factors (polls/design cycles/natural progression/current planeset/common sense) if it wasn't.

Edited December 11, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[BraveSirRobin]

If a Western theater is going to be done then IMHO Med, BoB, or Channel front (a very interesting and mostly ignored period) is the way to go.  These were still tactical air theaters and, if lend lease planes are modeled the only thing missing from a viable (not perfect) plane set would be a few British and Italian medium bombers.

 

The Med 42-43 has everything.  Interested terrain.  Participants from lots of countries.  Relatively even matchup.  Aircraft that can also be used in existing Russian maps.  

[ShamrockOneFive]

Lots of interesting campaigns between Kursk and Berlin Shamrock. Like you, I'm ok with the focus on the Eastern Front; if the devs get around to making more of the lend-lease kites like the Spitfire, Thunderbolt, Boston, Hurricane, etc, then I suppose a look at the Western Front would be appropriate. I'd like to eventually see some Japanese aircraft added to the mix so we could do some Far East scenarios, like Kalkin Gol in 1939 or Manchuria in 1945. 

 

Good hunting,

=CFC=Conky

 

Interesting... Yes, absolutely. Lots of options. I'm pretty well read on the operations throughout the East front but if I go with the developers focus of going for signpost moments in World War II on the Eastern Front then I would pick the list that I posted. Bagration could be another option but its not the sign post that Kursk or Berlin is.

 

Other scenarios are more niche. I love these obscure battles with unique planesets like Kalkin Gol the I-15 and I-16 variants go up against the Ki-27 and Ki-10. That excites me. But most people yawn and so I don't know if we'll ever see that kind of thing again.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Medium and heavy bombers are nice but very few of us fly them.And be rest assured everyone chases us

down in our HE-111's to destroy us.

 

Flying a modded B-17 in IL-2 1946 was doable with the big maps we could chose and you could complete a whole

mission and get back to base.

 

Maps are to small online in this game to get to 25 000 feet and even dream of getting back to base in one piece

in a B-17.

 

Bombers are the exact reason for airstarts. Not so some gamer boy can immediately jump back into a fight where he was previously defeated and BNZ the winning pilot just because he was killed near the spawn point. Air starts ARE FOR BOMBERS. (and Trix are for kids)

 

/end rant

Edited December 11, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[ShamrockOneFive]

The Med 42-43 has everything.  Interested terrain.  Participants from lots of countries.  Relatively even matchup.  Aircraft that can also be used in existing Russian maps.  

It does and I would hope that we end up there. I'm guessing it'll be a few years but I really do. Its a good aircraft set, the scenery is unique, and a lot of players have really enjoyed the desert battles in IL-2 1946.

[BraveSirRobin]

Air starts ARE FOR BOMBERS.

 

 

So they have plenty of speed when they dive to the deck and bomb at tree top level?

[Finkeren]

IMHO stay the course.

 

10 planes per product. After BoM there will be a 1941 and 1942 product that extends into 1943. Let's keep going. Pick a 1943 battle (Kursk is the most significant). Add the planes. Pick a 1944 battle. Bagration or a part of it. Add 1944 planes. Probably don't need a 1945 plane set since there were no significant new Eastern Front aircraft in that time. So really two more products with 10 planes each. I'm not even sure that we need 10 planes. Once that is done this series will have 40 planes modeled from 1941 to the end of the war.

 

Once there is a plane set (representative, not 100% complete) covering the entire Eastern Front conflict additional maps can be created. Other development resources could move to new products (a different theater).

 

That's my two cents anyway.

 

But then again, what I really want is an Albatros C.III

Agree totally Pat (including wanting an Albatros C.III)

 

This has been my thinking as well: cover the Eastern Front over 4 main installments, perhaps including a few extra maps and planes to just flesh out a few things, and then move on (preferably to the MTO) while simultaneously starting to build a proper long campaign for the East.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Agree totally Pat (including wanting an Albatros C.III)

 

This has been my thinking as well: cover the Eastern Front over 4 main installments, perhaps including a few extra maps and planes to just flesh out a few things, and then move on (preferably to the MTO) while simultaneously starting to build a proper long campaign for the East.

Please no to four straight installments.................

 

I have been a faithful, even rabid, participant and suporter since this series was introduced. I have bought over $100 bucks in free give-a-ways to random strangers.

 

Get us starving westerners an installment or two then go back. Everyone seems to want progression but completely ignoring the west also ignores the natural progression of the war. Staying in the east for two more years will actually drive me and my money away from this series. I'm fine with Kuban or Kursk. Staying out of the west much longer than that will start to feel like it is an intentional !@#$ you.

 

Kuban, Med, Bagration. This will satiate the need and get western pilots involved. The most likely scenario after seeing how good this series has become will be a back-dating of interest in the game, the actual wartime history and probably a bunch of purchases of the original BOS from the (by then) bargain bin by them.

Edited December 11, 2015 by [LBS]HerrMurf

[=CFC=Conky]

Interesting... Yes, absolutely. Lots of options. I'm pretty well read on the operations throughout the East front but if I go with the developers focus of going for signpost moments in World War II on the Eastern Front then I would pick the list that I posted. Bagration could be another option but its not the sign post that Kursk or Berlin is.

 

Other scenarios are more niche. I love these obscure battles with unique planesets like Kalkin Gol the I-15 and I-16 variants go up against the Ki-27 and Ki-10. That excites me. But most people yawn and so I don't know if we'll ever see that kind of thing again.

 

True enough Shamrock, from a sign post standpoint the period between Kursk and the final assault on Berlin was more of a war of attrition, which would still be enjoyable imho. As for the Far East stuff, it's admittedly more of a pipe dream, but what the hell, if you don't ask, you don't get! 

 

Good hunting,

=CFC=Conky

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

My dream theatre is still Leningrad and surroundings, but my oh my it is enormous

 

Far East is doable with a relatively minor terrain workload compared to Eastern and Western front scenarios. As a bonus that pleases everyone, they could make a Burma/China map for the Flying Tigers and a Khalkhin Gol map, the latter consisting of flatlands so featureless they make the Eastern Ukrainian steppes look like the Andes

 

Bring in the I-15 and early I-16 model for fighters together with an early-model P-40, the good old Polikarpov R-5 for recce and light attack, plus the trusty SB for bombers. The Soviet Air Force in 1939 shared a lot of aircraft with the Chinese Air Force against the Japanese invasion, so these work both ways.

 

Similarly, the Japanese would need the Ki-27 and Ki-10 for the early battle, and a Ki-43 to face off against the P-40E. Ki-21 (fast bomber party) and Ki-30 for bombing and reconnaissance close the gap.

[LukeFF]

 

 

after seeing the dedicated few Americans screaming for city-smasher bombers