Feathered_IV Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 Guys, BoS as a game is still not ended, there is no stats system, servers are cut off to 42 players. They have engine which is not finished, and the devs only add new planes and maps calling it BoM, and they make us pay for it 99.99 Euro. Now you want pay for SP mission ? LOL Well, what other choice is there?
BraveSirRobin Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 Well, what other choice is there? Lots of people seem to think that a white knight will eventually come along and give them the flight sim of their dreams for only $49 US. 3
Grancesc Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 Feathered_IV posted 05 January 2015 - 08:33 I'm sure there will be improvements. The campaign mode is the centrepiece of the game, as everybody must use it to fully access their aircraft. It's the crucial first impression of the product. The devs would have to be keenly aware of this. Are the Devs really aware of this fact? This campaign was literally torn apart in the air since its appearance by the SP-community and still nothing happened since January. Not a single word was said about it in the following DDs. Like many others I invested in BoS/BoM based the advertisement made by 777/1C and on the past experience with RoF. And yes, I also expect to get a decent campaign included in the Sim since BoS was chiefly advertised as a SP-game. For further campaign add-ons along the lines of and with the same quality as DESASATERSOFT I would even pay more than they cost previously. 6
Skoop Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 Dam wish i could join you . without the coke cocola though . I only fly expert not the arcade servers . The sim is far from finished i wouldnt pay anymore money for some thing that should of been in place before release to public . Wings of liberty is expert, again people are flying online, you have to find the time when there are more numbers. I notice that times that are late morning early afternoon in he US have the most players because it's evening in Europe.
SharpeXB Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 I bought desastersoft's work for CloD but it was failed by two things in my opinion: first the mission objectives being too difficult, but more crucially, the AI.Yes. I really liked the CoD Desastersoft campaigns. What killed it for me was the AI in CoD are so terrible, there's just no point in playing against enemy planes that fly straight and level while you shoot them down. Just ridiculous.But the campaign is very well done. For mission objectives it wasn't so bad because regardless of success you still move on to the next one. That's a crucial thing to do in a sim. You're not forced into the "Groundhog Day" phenomenon. And I like the enforced "Dead is Dead" mode. It really makes things exciting. Wings of liberty is expert, again people are flying online, you have to find the time when there are more numbers. I notice that times that are late morning early afternoon in he US have the most players because it's evening in Europe.I like WoL. But all the Expert servers in this game are ghost towns. Yesterday was a holiday in the U.S. Everyone had the day off and there were like 8 people online. Pathetic... That's why we need a good SP Career. Multiplayer is just freaking dead. Without SP there's no game here.
Skoop Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) ^ Thats a cultural thing, you can't expect Americans to be flying a sim online on Memorial Day, that's a day that we are out in the world having BBQs at the beach or a park. Day to day trends, I see a near maxed out server on WOL in the middle of the day, which leads me to believe that the sim is just more popular in Europe. I fly on jupp's server at evening time US, he uses AI to fill out the numbers...it's quite effective. 20 Ai mixed in with 5 to 10 humans makes for a fun furball. Edited May 26, 2015 by Skoop
SharpeXB Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 ^ Thats a cultural thing, you can't expect Americans to be flying a sim online on Memorial Day, that's a day that we are out in the world having BBQs at the beach or a park. I was on BoS :-D
Skoop Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 So I guess you were the one US sim pilot that didn't have a BBQ to go to. But did you check the euro times ? I bet WOL have a couple dozen people flying late morning US time.
SAG Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 i would pay for a VERY good campaign if it where to come as a standalone "DLC", i would buy into BoM if it had a decent campaign attached to it and/or if the Devs where more open about what improvements are planned for BoS/BoM (considering theyre basically the same game) like more slots on MP servers, hyperlobby(or similar), mods, etc.
Blooddawn1942 Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 In the long run, the renewed Il2 franchise needs a decent campaign mechanism to be succesful. Be it from a third party or from 777 itself. But they clearly admitted, that they don't have the recources to build it. For a good campaign mechanism/module, which could be used with BoS, BoM and future BoWhatever, I would surely pay. For a set of Missions propably not.
Primus_71 Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 If it'd support coop play, I'd certainly pay up to USD 30 for a dynamic/semi-dynamic add-on campaign
SharpeXB Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) To be clear my preference is for a "Career Mode" not just a "Campaign" The trouble with Campaigns is they follow this typical format of chapters or missions which have the requirement that you succeed in order to advance to the next one. This doesn't work for a flight sim. It's a format borrows from other games but it's not suited for this. Why? Because of the fact that flight sims can't have checkpoints. There's no way to save progress. Your missions if they're realistic are too long. And if you can't finish it or you don't succeed you're forced to repeat the same missions over and over. And if they're scripted that's even worse. Campaigns like this include the stock ones with RoF and many others. The RoF campaigns are well done from the standpoint of research and storyline but too tedious to play though. The career format is much better because you aren't forced to repeat the same scripted missions and regardless of the outcome assuming you survive or even if you don't you move on to another day. That's a big deal. Plus a career usually gives you a choice of aircraft to fly. Chapter campaigns also have the problem that they end. Careers can go on almost indefinitely or with the variety of aircraft and squadrons the results are nearly infinite. There's a place for chapter campaigns but I don't usually prefer them. Good Career mode examples are RoF, PWCG and Desastersoft which mixes a chapter type format with career progress and awards. Edited May 27, 2015 by SharpeXB 1
Livai Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 But they clearly admitted, that they don't have the recources to build it. For a good campaign mechanism/module, which could be used with BoS, BoM and future BoWhatever, And how about the RoF Career Mode Source Code? This campaign mechanism/module is finished and ready for use. I see no problems here for a BoS Career Mode. Inculde this RoF Career mechanism/module to BoS and this module work the same way like it work inside RoF. Since it is possible to create a RoF WWII Career Mode using the RoF Mods On Mode.
Blooddawn1942 Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 And how about the RoF Career Mode Source Code? This campaign mechanism/module is finished and ready for use. I see no problems here for a BoS Career Mode. Inculde this RoF Career mechanism/module to BoS and this module work the same way like it work inside RoF. Since it is possible to create a RoF WWII Career Mode using the RoF Mods On Mode. Don't ask me. Ask the developers instead.I have allways assumed, that BoS would be delivered with a carreer system similar to the B carreer we know from RoF. AS the BoS carreer system has been revealed in an live stream last autumn, I was not too happy. I gave it a Chance, but it couldn't keep me interested for long. As much as I really like BoS as a CFS, for me as singleplayer it holds not much to do anymore. If it were not for the excelent missions, created by Juri and Veteran, I would be concerned about the Future. But regarding to another thread, there might still be hope, that we could get something like PWCG somewhere in the future. And I think BoS\BoM desperately needs a well made carreer system to be succesfull. 1
Skeptical_Bunny Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 (edited) Seriously... You are insane! Do you really want to pay money for new crappy campaigns?! Because the one on BoS is just trash, we should be payed to play it. If you really have nothing better to do with your money, then you should consider giving it away to charity, least then it goes to something useful. Edited May 27, 2015 by Skeptical_Bunny
SharpeXB Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 Seriously... You are insane! Do you really want to pay money for new crappy campaigns?! Because the one on BoS is just trash, we should be payed to play it. If you really have nothing better to do with your money, then you should consider giving it away to charity, least then it goes to something useful.I think we're talking about paying for a better one...
Jason_Williams Posted May 27, 2015 Posted May 27, 2015 I'm closing this thread because it going off the rails. We know some would pay almost any amount for a new campaign and most will not. There is no point in arguing about it. And Let me make it clear, We are not asking anyone to pay for a new Campaign or Career or anything else like that. Jason
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