Cybermat47 Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) Ju-52: Slow and underarmed, but also the most important transport plane of the Battle. Me-323: Heavily armed, but slow and clumsy. Also vulnerable to the A-team. Fw-200: Heavily armed, but liable to breaking up on landing. Not a dedicated transport plane. He-177: Heavily armed, but it's four engines (two in each nacelle) are vulnerable to malfunctioning. Not a dedicated transport plane. Edited October 16, 2013 by Cybermat47 1
=RvE=Windmills Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) 52 is the only realistic option tbh. To add any other transport before that one is added would be a crime. Edited October 16, 2013 by iLOVEwindmills
Cybermat47 Posted October 16, 2013 Author Posted October 16, 2013 52 is the only realistic option tbh. To add any other transport before that one is added would be a crime. Fw-200s and He-177s did take part in the Battle of Stalingrad as transports, and I'm not sure about the Me-323. But yeah, the Ju-52 should be added first.
Feathered_IV Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 The 52 would be a sound choice. It would be viral part of any other theatre addon they make too. Time well spent.
FuriousMeow Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Yeah, but how many people are going to purchase the Ju52?
Cybermat47 Posted October 16, 2013 Author Posted October 16, 2013 haha poll is unanimoulsy ju52!! Yeah... I don't know why I even included the others!
Feathered_IV Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Yeah, but how many people are going to purchase the Ju52? I most certainly would. Trying to fly in and out of Stalingrad would be very exciting. Especially if there was a refuel/rearm feature. Imagine beating the odds and winning through to Gumrak. Do you end the mission there and take the points awarded, or accept the danger of waiting on the ground to be reloaded then try to make it back out? Points for a round trip being much, much higher than a one-way journey. Maybe if you end a mission inside the surrounded area, your next mission needs to be as a passenger or gunner on the next available aircraft out. Plenty if things can be done to make these types of aircraft really rewarding. Somebody just needs to show a bit of imagination.
FuriousMeow Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) Well in another title where the c47 and Ju52 are directly required to capture airfields and advance the front lines the people that use them are very few... And those planes come included ($15/mo though). So I'm not certain the development time and effort would translate into a worthwhile return for the devs. So I think that'd place it on the back burner for some time until more popular aircraft are done. Edited October 16, 2013 by FuriousMeow
Feathered_IV Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 If it were me, I'd put a virtual bounty of points on transport aircraft so they become the prey of choice for every online fighter. I'd also make the rewards for successful transport flyers so high that they would be a force to be reckoned with on the leader boards.
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Hmm looks like some one is not too familiar with german transport aircraft? A lot of aircraft have been missed that where around during the battle of Stalingrad. Where is a Ju 290 which by 1942 was seen as a replacement for the FW 200? The Ju 390 which went into service April 1942
IIN8II Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 C-17!!! JK, I agree the Ju-52 makes the most sense.
ST_ami7b5 Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 To fly? No thanks....only to shoot down. Both for me.
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Of course to fly, as some enjoy a challenge and not just fighters............. By the way no logistics no fuel no ammo and those fancy fighters are rather heavy on the ground. 1
Cybermat47 Posted October 16, 2013 Author Posted October 16, 2013 Hmm looks like some one is not too familiar with german transport aircraft? A lot of aircraft have been missed that where around during the battle of Stalingrad. Where is a Ju 290 which by 1942 was seen as a replacement for the FW 200? The Ju 390 which went into service April 1942 Damn, I forgot about the 290. But the 390 never entered service. Only two prototypes were built, and the most they did was a flight to America that might not have even happened.
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Yes my bad, it should have been the Ju 252 , the Ju 86 or the Arado 232
Cybermat47 Posted October 16, 2013 Author Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) Yes my bad, it should have been the Ju 252 , the Ju 86 or the Arado 232 The Ar-232 would make an interesting plane to fly And I don't think that the Ju-86 has ever been in a flight sim, so it would be nice to see that as well. Edited October 16, 2013 by Cybermat47
jeanba Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Fw-200s and He-177s did take part in the Battle of Stalingrad as transports, and I'm not sure about the Me-323. The 323 was involved in Kuban, but not in Stalingrad
Pupo Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 ju52 would ne nice, but i wouldnt pay for it (ROF add-on style). me323 would be a nice gimmick too, i had some fun with it on the mods version, but again, i wouldnt pay for it.
HeavyCavalrySgt Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 Yeah, but how many people are going to purchase the Ju52? I would, partly to support the game, but also for the challenge of taking a probably over loaded aircraft in and out of marginal airfields in horrendous conditions, making parachute drops and supply runs and also to have the '52 as a target for my missions when I was flying aircraft with stars on them. 2
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted October 16, 2013 Posted October 16, 2013 (edited) ju52 would ne nice, but i wouldnt pay for it (ROF add-on style). me323 would be a nice gimmick too, i had some fun with it on the mods version, but again, i wouldnt pay for it. Same goes for fighters, I wouldn´t buy a fighter....... Edited October 16, 2013 by Lord_Haw-Haw 1
Cybermat47 Posted October 16, 2013 Author Posted October 16, 2013 The 323 was involved in Kuban, but not in Stalingrad OK, thanks for the info. And: WELCOME!
Caudron431 Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 Simple: No Ju52=no realistic battle of Stalingrad; Ju52 (flyable with historical loadouts and rewards for pilots)= realistic Stalingrad theatre of operation. Ju52 is one of the most important aircraft of the front. You cannot fight without supply, but this is even more important when you are encircled in the Kessel. In fact, there speed(+logistics) was life....Providing supplies was just as important as bombing the enemy or shoot it down. Logistics is always a great -though always under represented- part of a war. We hopefully can change that for this sim. We need cargo planes.... 2
ImPeRaToR Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 More important might be the question which one of them will be modelled by the community
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 More important might be the question which one of them will be modelled by the community That is almost like asking which game will be modeled by the community
kestrel79 Posted October 17, 2013 Posted October 17, 2013 I'd buy a transport plane. But only if they made capturing bases, resupplying cities and airfields a cool gameplay option. They did it in Airwarrior back in the 90s I don't get why they can't do it now. Some of my most exciting missions were flying below radar in a C-47 dropping troops on a base to capture it. 2
Jaws2002 Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 I flew C47 and Tante Ju in aces high and ww2 online a lot. You should see how pissed the fighter jocks were when I droped human paratroopers next to their field and every time they tried to take a fighter up, they would get shot in the head while starting the plane. Now just imagine flying that giant and sneaking a howitzer close to your fighter base, far away from the front.... Magnetos ON, trim five clicks up, engine ON.....Boom, there goes half your squad. "WTF?"
clayman Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 As I see it the 52 is still the most logical .... now if this was 'fantasy' Cold War IL2 I'd like to go with the B58 Hustler!
Cybermat47 Posted October 19, 2013 Author Posted October 19, 2013 J-u-52! j-u-52!j-u-52! FlatSpinMan, Please leave a space between full stops, exclamation marks and/or question marks and the next sentence or word. Sincerely, The International Grammar Nazi Federation (IGNF).
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 As I see it the 52 is still the most logical .... now if this was 'fantasy' Cold War IL2 I'd like to go with the B58 Hustler! Why so humbel a Saturn V would be fine too? or how about a Hell why not go full banana??
Cybermat47 Posted October 19, 2013 Author Posted October 19, 2013 What about Li-2??? German transport planes are necessary for the sim. Russian transports aren't. Now that the devs have seen that people would rather have a Ju 52 than a He 177 (which surprised me tbh), perhaps they'll finally come to their senses and start working on the 'Iron Annie'
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Well hope that the He 177 is added some day as a bomber!
Corsair Posted October 19, 2013 Posted October 19, 2013 Well hope that the He 177 is added some day as a bomber! He-177 and Ju-1/388 - Germany's most beautiful bombers
Cybermat47 Posted October 19, 2013 Author Posted October 19, 2013 He-177 and Ju-1/388 - Germany's most beautiful bombers The Me264 was quite beautiful.
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