BOM skins discussion

[Zak]

This is the discussion topic for all plane camo research helpers.

Please note: pictures posted here will not be considered as candidates. Please use the following specific threads to publish your variants:

 

I-16 type 24
MiG-3
IL-2 model 1941
Pe-2 series 35
P-40 E-1

Bf 109 E-7
Bf 109 F-2
Bf 110 E-2
Ju 88 A-4
MC.202 Series VIII

[LukeFF]

I see already that people are posting P-40s from the Pacific.  Please, can we try to at least keep the P-40 skins to the Eastern Hemisphere? I have no desire to unlock skins for the PTO, when there are plenty of Eastern Front P-40 themes available.

Edited May 21, 2015 by LukeFF

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I see already that people are posting P-40s from the Pacific.  Please, can we try to at least keep the P-40 skins to the Eastern Hemisphere? I have no desire to unlock skins for the PTO, when there are plenty of Eastern Front P-40 themes available.

The only person that could have posted them was me. So its obvious you are referring to me. I have asked Zak before I posted them and he said its fine. I have no intention to overwhelm Eastern front skins with PTO skins, so as written in post having a skin (one) from there would be nice.

[LukeFF]

so as written in post having a skin (one) from there would be nice.

 

Nice, yes, but utterly useless in a historical context within the game. If I have to unlock skins, I at least want to unlock skins that are relevant to the game's theater. It's bad enough already we have all of these irrelevant North African schemes.  

Edited May 21, 2015 by LukeFF

[Zak]

I see already that people are posting P-40s from the Pacific.  Please, can we try to at least keep the P-40 skins to the Eastern Hemisphere? I have no desire to unlock skins for the PTO, when there are plenty of Eastern Front P-40 themes available.

Luke, I'm afraid that it's going to be close to impossible to find ten different(!) Soviet P-40 skins that would also look nice and appealing.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Luke, I'm afraid that it's going to be close to impossible to find ten different(!) Soviet P-40 skins that would also look nice and appealing.

It might be even harder for poor Macchi, if I recall there weren't many of them on the eastern front. Couple of skins for that front is all I can find. 

[LukeFF]

Luke, I'm afraid that it's going to be close to impossible to find ten different(!) Soviet P-40 skins that would also look nice and appealing.

 

Well, I'm trying my best to find as many as I can.

 

It might be even harder for poor Macchi, if I recall there weren't many of them on the eastern front. Couple of skins for that front is all I can find. 

 

Yeah, Macchi is going to be one that will have to have a lot of non-EF skins to make the 10 count. 

[Zak]

Well, I'm trying my best to find as many as I can.

I believe you can find all the Soviet P-40s references in the internet

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

We have african skins for the He-111, Fw-190 and Bf-109 for BoS already, so I assume there will be off theatre skins for the P-40. The question is how many of them will be included in BoM/BoS.

 

Anyway I also posted some stuff for the Mc 202 and bf 109 F-2 today. There's lots of good stuff availabel for the Bf 110 which I'll look into soon as well.

[LukeFF]

I believe you can find all the Soviet P-40s references in the internet

 

 

The one plane that may be hard is the Pe-2, seeing as a lot of the "good" schemes are already being used for BoS.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I'm still with Luke. There were a few too many off theatre skins when there were many wonderful 109 skins for example from the squadrons that fought in the battle.

 

The odd off theatre one is fine I suppose. I'll see what I can dig up to contribute to this project although I see Luke has won the internet for today and has a ton already

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

There sure should be as many theatre true skins as possible but we'll see how many of them make it into the game. I don't expect anything far off like a flying tigers skin or such.

 

With most soviet P-40 wearing the standard green paint the varience is very little, so you got find a compromise somehow.

Edited May 22, 2015 by Stab/JG26_5tuka

[LukeFF]

I'll see what I can dig up to contribute to this project although I see Luke has won the internet for today and has a ton already

 

 

Yeah, it was a slow day at work yesterday, so I figured I would go all out.    

Just a note on this one:

 

 

Research shows the red wings are most likely bogus and based on faulty conclusions. There's a good article about it here: How red were the red wings of Red 02?

 

In sum, this is most likely what the plane looked like:

 

 

Edited May 22, 2015 by LukeFF

[LukeFF]

N-model P-40s and Spanish Civil War I-16s now being posted?   Come on, it's bad enough we have an F-8 skin for the 190 in the game. Stick to the plane models we will have in the game, guys. 

Edited May 22, 2015 by LukeFF

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

With this I have to agree with Luke, its not that hard after all to find a proper versions.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Research shows the red wings are most likely bogus and based on faulty conclusions. There's a good article about it here: How red were the red wings of Red 02?

 

In sum, this is most likely what the plane looked like:

Tbh I found 3 variations in total of this particular machine. There were even pics of one with silver wings, though judging from the original photograph it is very unlikely.

 

As there was overall more pictures and scale modles of the red wing one I went for it. If historically accurate the green is preferrably, although I couldn't figure it out,

 

No matter which wing colour I like this paint sheme either way!

[LukeFF]

Tbh I found 3 variations in total of this particular machine. There were even pics of one with silver wings, though judging from the original photograph it is very unlikely.

 

As there was overall more pictures and scale modles of the red wing one I went for it. If historically accurate the green is preferrably, although I couldn't figure it out,

 

No matter which wing colour I like this paint sheme either way!

 

Oh yes, it's a very nice scheme, no doubt. I bet the guys in Russia have conclusive evidence that says which way this particular plane was painted.

[LukeFF]

Best Regards, Zakkandrachoff , and yes, the last ones are Bf109F4, but u can consider those paint schemes, they are very cool!

 

And see, this sort of thing drives me nuts. If someone wants an F-4 skin, put out a request for it in the third-party skinning forum. Asking for F-4 schemes to be applied as part of the official F-2 skins makes zero sense at all, especially since there are plenty, plenty of great historical F-2 paint schemes. We are not exactly talking about a rare subtype of the 109 here.

Edited May 23, 2015 by LukeFF

[Danziger]

If it drives you nuts why did you post so many MiG-3UD skin suggestions for the early MiG-3 model shown at the start of the MiG-3 thread?

[LukeFF]

If it drives you nuts why did you post so many MiG-3UD skin suggestions for the early MiG-3 model shown at the start of the MiG-3 thread?

• Because it's not obvious from photos what is a 3UD model and what isn't.
• Because there are claims that there wasn't even a "MiG-3 UD": http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/mig3/latemig-3.html

the introduction of a gap behind the stacks; this was due to the moving back of the cowling border to improve the access to the engine, but can give the impression that the aircraft was lengthened, so the late MiG-3 is sometimes erroneously called "long-nosed", "lengthened" or "MiG-3 UD"; in reality, the total length remained 8250 mm;

Edited May 23, 2015 by LukeFF

[Danziger]

The easiest way to tell them apart is the cowling. The early MiG-3 has a lot of bumps on top of it while the UD or "improved" MiG-3 has a smoother profile on top of the cowling. Other good ways to tell are the forward slats and underslung pitot tube indicating a UD model. It wasn't even really a new model but a collection of improvements implemented over time. A lot of people get the UD and the U confused. The MiG-3UD was just improvements made to MiG-3 during production. The MiG-3U was an almost complete redesign and actually was longer than a MiG-3.

[LukeFF]

The easiest way to tell them apart is the cowling. The early MiG-3 has a lot of bumps on top of it while the UD or "improved" MiG-3 has a smoother profile on top of the cowling. Other good ways to tell are the forward slats and underslung pitot tube indicating a UD model. It wasn't even really a new model but a collection of improvements implemented over time. A lot of people get the UD and the U confused. The MiG-3UD was just improvements made to MiG-3 during production. 

 

Good stuff, thanks. Yes, it is apparent the MiG-3 went through a whole ton of modifications throughout its service history.

 

The MiG-3U was an almost complete redesign and actually was longer than a MiG-3.

 

And was the version everyone wanted to fly in the original IL2. 

Edited May 23, 2015 by LukeFF

[Danziger]

There were even further improvements that resulted in what would've been the MiG-7 but the jet age was already a priority. MiG-7 had a longer tail and more forward cabin as well as sleeker fuselage and longer wings. They also experimented with four and six bladed propellers.

 

I love the MiG-3 though. By far my favorite plane. I seriously can't wait to see it modelled by 777. It's a minimal amount of aircraft wrapped around an engine. I don't even mind the light armament although I've always fantasized about one armed to the teeth with twin ShVaks in the nose and a couple of VYa-23s in the wings... A serious bomber killer lol.

[MicroShket]

A propaganda minute.

If someone is interested in CBI&PTO skins for P-40E, could you support it in this tread, please? I know that most of them are banal, but I think, that same P-40E from 24th PG deserves attention. 

I hope I haven' t done anything illegal.

[LukeFF]

Sorry, but no. There are plenty of good VVS skin choices for the P-40. 

[MicroShket]

Sorry, but no. There are plenty of good VVS skin choices for the P-40. 

I know. And I think, that most of VVS skins will be for P-40C, N, M, etc. And maybe 1-2 for E. Like skins for FW-190. 

[LukeFF]

The "death hand" skin posted here is not an E-series Bf 110. It is from a later series (G, IIRC).

Edited June 5, 2015 by LukeFF

[Weegie]

But its still a really cool skin, IMHO

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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Asking for F-4 schemes to be applied as part of the official F-2 skins makes zero sense at all,

 

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Sorry, but no. There are plenty of good VVS skin choices for the P-40. 

 

The "death hand" skin posted here is not an E-series Bf 110. It is from a later series (G, IIRC).

 

I feel the same way about these skin threads... They get mottled with incorrect skins for the incorrect variants. G-6 skins for G-2s... A-5/7 skins for A-3s... Etc...

 

I do wish that 777 would choose to stick with theatre/time appropriate skins this time around... Western Front skins and 1944 skins don't make a whole lot of sense... 

[senseispcc]

It might be even harder for poor Macchi, if I recall there weren't many of them on the eastern front. Couple of skins for that front is all I can find. 

12 Macchi did serve in 1942/1943 near the Stalingrad front but neither the MC202 or the P40 did see service on the Moscow front.  The closed is Leningrad north of it  for the P40 and south of it Stalingrad for the  MC202. 

Edited June 7, 2015 by senseispcc

[Vig]

There is a good bit of grognard-bullying going on in this thread; inevitable, perhaps, but distasteful nonetheless.  There is room for everyone, kids.

[Han]

Thank you everyone, official skins list for BoM is completed.

[Danziger]

Will we get some sort of preview of the skins like with BoS? Thanks