1.JG77LuckySmile Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Hello, I would like to introduce a service which we prefer to offer you in future. An end has come to the tiresome distribution of skins, so that one can also see the individual skins of the comrades now. From now on it is possible to upload and download your own and other skins via http://www.il2skins.de This can be done manually (download of a .rar file with all well-chosen Skins) or by the Sync tool. You just download this tool, choose the path to your game folder and press start. After that all deposited skins on the Sever will be downloaded into your folder and updated automatically – done. Of course you can upload your own Skins on the side. We´ll check them by hand and unlock them as quickly as possible. But the conditions are: The skin file must be in the .dds format and should not be any wider than 10 MB. A pre-diagram must be available. It may only used skins free from radical signs and symbols, any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening and sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned. Among the rest, it is necessary that the Skins show the right national emblem of the respective nation, must be to be seen on upper and lower wing, as well as on both sides of the fuselage! Skins with wrong national emblems which could cause the distraction of other players will be deleted as well as images which are neither screenshots nor skins. I still would like to point out that the service we have created in our leisure time may show still some faults or bugs. For that we apologize, and request you to inform us about these via info@il2skins.de. In this context I would like to thank II./ZG26-dada and LWKG10 UrukHai without whom this project wouldn't have been possible! Have Fun! Youre il2skins.de – Team! Edited March 8, 2015 by 1./JG77LuckySmile 12
keeno Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 awesome stuff, this is gonna save a world of time and trouble. Thanks for this! Cheers
Yakdriver Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Which skins are allowed to upload? It may only used skins free from radical signs and symbols, any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening and sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned. Among the rest, it is necessary that the Skins show the right national emblem of the respective nation, must be to be seen on upper and lower wing, as well as on both sides of the fuselage! Skins with wrong national emblems which could cause the distraction of other players will be deleted as well as images which are neither screenshots nor skins. Russians had no stars on the upper wing. no russian skins. USAAF Spitfires? finnish MS.406? Vichy D.520? Romanian G6? Captured Yakovlevs? Russian P-40's? None have the appropriate Markings for the plane. especially fuuture (USAAF) expansions... Planes with naked chicks are a great thing, unfortunately not for you. how about a name change to "Luftwaffe-skins.de" or some more thought concerning the upload criteria, Edited March 8, 2015 by Yakdriver
Leaf Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Chill out Yakdriver, English is obviously not their first language. I think it's fairly obvious what they allow to be uploaded or not.
1.JG77LuckySmile Posted March 8, 2015 Author Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Russians had no stars on the upper wing. no russian skins. USAAF Spitfires? finnish MS.406? Vichy D.520? Romanian G6? Captured Yakovlevs? Russian P-40's? None have the appropriate Markings for the plane. especially fuuture (USAAF) expansions... Planes with naked chicks are a great thing, unfortunately not for you. how about a name change to "Luftwaffe-skins.de" or some more thought concerning the upload criteria, Hey Yakdriver, i think that is a good properly with the marks. The better rule is to orient yourself to the original skins. To the USAAF we can discuss it when it is released. The side is brand new, so it it requires a lot of users to upload the skins. I dont fly russian planes, so i can't upload them ;-) Lucky PS: @ Yakdriver I would appreciate your skins particularly Edited March 8, 2015 by 1./JG77LuckySmile
TG-55Panthercules Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Chill out Yakdriver, English is obviously not their first language. I think it's fairly obvious what they allow to be uploaded or not. I agree that Yakdriver's post seems to have some attitude that personally I don't think is warranted (but maybe English isn't Yakdriver's first language either?) BUT, I think Yak makes a good point about the Russian skins at least. I happen to have put stars on my wing tops in my personal Russian skins because I liked the way they looked that way. However, most examples of historical Russian aircraft I've seen in the books I got for skinning purposes show them without stars on the top wings (as is also the case with every official IL-2 and La-5 skin I saw in the viewer just now). Thus, (and I think this was Yakdriver's key point) if this site requires that all the Russian personal skins have stars on the wing tops then they will be eliminating most if not all historically-appropriate personal Russian skins, which seems like a problem to me as well. But it sounds like a great thing to be doing for the community, and I'm looking forward to giving it a try. Edited March 8, 2015 by TG-55Panthercules
Yakdriver Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) well, even the original skins would not match your criteria, and none of my skins are historically as accurate as you guys seem to want them.:DIf i were in your position, i would simply define the skins Send us: *serious skins *serious colors and schemes *no hakencrosses *no Porn *no Bull*** *no "Hello Kitty", no Japanese animé, no what if... IF you send us things that are not serious enough for us, we will simply ban your **** and remove your skins for ever. Simple... clear... effective.and you still have the power do decide what kind of material you want, and what skins you think suck.all the freedom remains yours, and you made the message clear. Just my Tip.Love our initiative.Loved the old Il2skins.keep rocking! Edited March 8, 2015 by Yakdriver
II./ZG26-dada Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 well, even the original skins would not match your criteria, and none of my skins are historically as accurate as you guys seem to want them. :D Well, they are already on your PC. So there's no need to upload them on our server. But you'r right. We'll change that to something like you suggested.
Yakdriver Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 but not everyone has them unlocked! Tadaaaaa!so if i extract them via "ungtp", can i still upload them to your place? hehehehhehe just joking. They would sue me and get me thrown in jail. i am not THAT stupid... or?
SR-F_Winger Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Id love to upload but always get errormessage when trying to upload a skin.
II./ZG26-dada Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Do you have time to connect on the BoS-Ts? Or could you send me the skinfile, so I can reproduce the error? Edited March 8, 2015 by II./ZG26-dada
1.JG77LuckySmile Posted March 8, 2015 Author Posted March 8, 2015 Is ur .dds file bigger than 10 MB and youre screenshot bigger than 5 mb?
Jade_Monkey Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Russians had no stars on the upper wing. no russian skins. USAAF Spitfires? finnish MS.406? Vichy D.520? Romanian G6? Captured Yakovlevs? Russian P-40's? None have the appropriate Markings for the plane. especially fuuture (USAAF) expansions... Planes with naked chicks are a great thing, unfortunately not for you. how about a name change to "Luftwaffe-skins.de" or some more thought concerning the upload criteria, Somebody needs to take a chill pill. 2
II./ZG26-dada Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) well, even the original skins would not match your criteria, and none of my skins are historically as accurate as you guys seem to want them. :D If i were in your position, i would simply define the skins Simple... clear... effective. and you still have the power do decide what kind of material you want, and what skins you think suck. all the freedom remains yours, and you made the message clear. Just my Tip. Love our initiative. Loved the old Il2skins. keep rocking! He got allready one... :D Edited March 8, 2015 by II./ZG26-dada
SR-F_Winger Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Is ur .dds file bigger than 10 MB and youre screenshot bigger than 5 mb? both nope. @ dada you can go here and load the f4 version i wanted to upload: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2ygrbylei09e979/AAAyzjx8glvzQrBPu0pgaGrGa?dl=0
1.JG77LuckySmile Posted March 8, 2015 Author Posted March 8, 2015 Are swastikas allowed or not? No both nope. @ dada you can go here and load the f4 version i wanted to upload: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2ygrbylei09e979/AAAyzjx8glvzQrBPu0pgaGrGa?dl=0 I tried to upload them and it works. Just try an other browser?
II./ZG26-dada Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 @VSG1_Winger, I uploaded both. And both worked. What Browser are you using?
Yakdriver Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Somebody needs to take a chill pill. nah. just pointing out current flaws and upcoming issues that seem extremely obvious to me. who said i am not chilling while i do so...
II./ZG26-dada Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) No thanks then If we wanted to allow it. We couldn't. The server stands in Germany and there it isn't allowed to have pictures, Paintings, etc.. with swastikas, who are created after 1945. Edited March 8, 2015 by II./ZG26-dada 1
Yakdriver Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 but BoS has an educational purpose... RRRRIGHT?and for educational purposes you CAN. if i remember correctly. There is a Man who sells Focke-Wulfes for FSX... i remember him for doing the Bf-110G for CFS3. I am pretty sure he has "historically correct" versions for his planes. http://classics-hangar.de/ maybe you can get a few pieces of info from him and his Crew on how they deal with that?
LastRightsXIII Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) I understand this. It's noble of you for what you are doing. Those laws have no wieght here with me and I wont support them nore submit to them. Besides my personsl feelling Yak and others have and will bring up some good pionts to consider. It'll be very helpful program for others and something to take advantage of. But for said reasons I'll still have to pass. Good luck and stay out of trouble. Edited March 8, 2015 by LastRightsXIII
wellenbrecher Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) If we wanted to allow it. We couldn't. The server stands in Germany and there it isn't allowed to have pictures, Paintings, etc.. with swastikas, who are created after 1945. That's not true though. It's fine to make them in this context on multiple accounts: BoS is art if you subscribe to the "video games are art" movement, and if you don't then the actual act of creating the skins themselves is. Then there's the educational aspect of creating and distributing them. Arguably a scientific aspect in researching and allocating the right markings and such to the right plane and author. And heck, in the end it's a historical representation. And for the sake of completeness, sorry to non-German speakers I really cba to translate law speak, just lemme quote the whole damn thing: (3) Absatz 1 gilt nicht, wenn das Propagandamittel oder die Handlung der staatsbürgerlichen Aufklärung, der Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, der Kunst oder der Wissenschaft, der Forschung oder der Lehre, der Berichterstattung über Vorgänge des Zeitgeschehens oder der Geschichte oder ähnlichen Zwecken dient. http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__86.html http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/stgb/__86a.html Read the whole thing at some point, it's really helpful. Or have you never wondered why for example movies and books and such have them if they were as forbidden as you seem to think they are? I personally disagree with how these symbols are handled, as I find that prohibitions set by law are doomed to fail by default (allure of the forbidden, skewed understanding of history, investing power into dead and useless symbols that they shouldn't have, yadda yadda) but that's a story for another day. Edited March 9, 2015 by wellenbrecher 2
Yakdriver Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Hell, this is good!(3) Absatz 1 gilt nicht, wenn das Propagandamittel oder die Handlung der staatsbürgerlichen Aufklärung, der Abwehr verfassungswidriger Bestrebungen, der Kunst oder der Wissenschaft, der Forschung oder der Lehre, der Berichterstattung über Vorgänge des Zeitgeschehens oder der Geschichte oder ähnlichen Zwecken dient. dient der LEHRE there we have it...our Free pass at Hakenkreuzen and who says we are not doing the "Staatsbürgerliche Aufklärung", eh? we educate the entire Planet goddammit ah...such is the world today.But maybe the Fact that we are unhappy about the current situation is also an element that lets us, the younger ones remain aware of history. ============================================ Back on track... I appreciate this Website and the service you provide... the Sync tool would, if used by many, represent an official Skins vektor.If you Guys could talk to the team? maybe they put a link to the tool in the launcher of the game? also don't forget to speak to the Russian forum, if you have not yet.I shall change my distrubution vektor from mediafire to Il-2 skins asap - after a couple hours of sleep.
WWChunk Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 but BoS has an educational purpose... RRRRIGHT? and for educational purposes you CAN. if i remember correctly. There is a Man who sells Focke-Wulfes for FSX... i remember him for doing the Bf-110G for CFS3. I am pretty sure he has "historically correct" versions for his planes. http://classics-hangar.de/ maybe you can get a few pieces of info from him and his Crew on how they deal with that? While you can get plenty of skins with the Swastika on them, the base versions of all of Classics-Hangar's planes come without any tail markings. I should know, I have them all.
TG-55Panthercules Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Intellectually and philosophically I'm not a fan of the ostrich-like rules about not being able to display swastikas on models/examples of aircraft or other military vehicles that displayed them historically in games like BoS that are intended to simulate that historical era and context. And I certainly disagree with the notion that the replications of actual, historical aircraft should not be able to have the correct swastikas on those skins. On the other hand, I'm really not too bothered by any steps the Germans need to take to make sure that particular movement never gains traction there again, and I'll defer to their judgment about the best way to do that. However, as I started doing my own personal skins for BoS I also realized that I did not really want to be flying around in my personal skins with swastikas on them. I decided instead to finesse the issue by placing my unit's shield/insignia in that location on the tail, as seen below: Just something to consider for any others who might be struggling about how to deal with this issue.
FlatSpinMan Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Guys, they are offering the site as a service to the community based on their country's laws and their personal views. Please appreciate that and respect their wishes. 3
II./ZG26-dada Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 @wellenbrecher, interesting... @yakdriver, no basicly because we cant speak russian^^ But we are on the way to translate the site to polish and hopefully later there will be russian too. And yeah, i agree that the handling by law isn't the best. But i'm from switzerland, there are the laws a bit diffrent. But anyway, the server and the owner are in germany. @Flatspinman, you are right. But discussing isnt vorbidden.
II./ZG26-dada Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 I personally would allow it. But i dont have to pay if the government in germany doesnt like it... :D
71st_AH_Hooves Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) wow we were just talking about this on the TWB TS server. Great work!!! Mods PLEASE STICKY THIS, DO NOT RELEGATE IT TO THE SUB FORUMS!! Edited March 9, 2015 by Hooves_McG
SR-F_Winger Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 @VSG1_Winger, I uploaded both. And both worked. What Browser are you using? I use Firefox.
Vex Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 (edited) I dont get it. We can't upload historical skins that don't adhere to the sites rules? Arbitrary rules seem a little against the grain for a skinning community. I get if the website is German, they have rules about Swastikas. But not allowing them to be included in a skin pack with marked, unmarked and censored markings? All the previous/current skin communities have no issues with people uploading what they want, so long as they not morally offensive. I'm about to get back in the skinning game. If it's going to be regulated in any way, i'm not going to bother. Maybe it's lost in translation somewhere. Edited March 9, 2015 by Vex 1
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