AbortedMan Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Just gauging interest in reconnaissance missions on public servers. Would players enjoy participating in a solo (or winged) flight specifically for seeking out enemy ground targets to alert their team of their positions? 8
6./ZG26_Emil Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Get rid of radar and add this....I'd like it. Unfortunately radar is spoiling the DF missions imho. 1
ZaknafeinTV Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 You mean coop ? BoS still don't have this type of gameplay.
AbortedMan Posted March 7, 2015 Author Posted March 7, 2015 I've moved objectives away from airfields to mitigate the use and annoyance of the radar. No I don't mean coop missions, this is regarding public MP servers and is easily implemented.
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Sure, I've moved to Jabo work as I'm a little bored with pure DF stuff in MP now. Anything new, interesting, and challenging is appreciated. Is there a way to issue points for such a mission? I'm not a point whore (maybe a little) but I know that now there are factories and such to destroy I am seeing a lot more ground attack, mostly from the Russian side, in some of the normal servers. Wish I had an photo capable F6 though 2
JimTM Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 Sure thing. I used to enjoy setting off on a lone recon mission in RoF. It was kind of like sight seeing with a purpose. It may be good to get a message re. the general area to search. Cheers! 1
Rjel Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 I think it would be fun. Not all of us are cut out to be fighter pilots anymore. It would be enjoyable to make B/W recon photos to share with one's respective group. I'd think it work if the recon pilots were allowed access to the mission prior to anyone else. It would likely be necessary for those pilots to be allowed to fly with outside views enabled. Otherwise I'm not sure how you'd get usable photos. Still sounds like fun.
AbortedMan Posted March 8, 2015 Author Posted March 8, 2015 Recon will be a simulated process that involves the player to take a "Recon" aircraft up and find (fly over/near) certain units which will then be "radioed" to his team via on-screen messages. There's not much I can do to make the information permanent like change the map or something, but it seems like it would be a cool little mechanic. 2
Feathered_IV Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Recon missions would be very welcome. Multiplayer mission design usually only attracts two types of players. The majority of effort goes towards attracting the ones who just want to dogfight all day long. While bomber or ground attack people are catered to to a lesser extent, usually with limited numbers of targets positioned in such a way as to make the bombers a sort of honey pot to the fighters. Unless a players preferred style falls into those two limited categories, there is really not much to recommend itself in MP.An ideal multiplayer game would include dozens of "trades" that a player can pursue. This would attract more and varied players, over and above the much-lamented numbers that we see right now. Part of this is the fault of the game developers. They only include the two most basic aircraft types - fighters and bombers, and do not consider adding recon, transport or communications aircraft. Types that can be used in other roles like the He-111 do not have adequate loadouts for the role. The Heinkel for example should have a range of cargo options (not just one generic one, if the devs are reading this!). There should be standard, heavy and very heavy loads. There should be a passenger option. Both for wounded and for normal passengers. Just bombs only tells a fraction of the story... I'd love to fly reconnaissance missions. Especially if I could cause the targets be illuminated on the map for other pilots. I'm not one of the 100,000+ FSX customers, but I get real satisfaction from navigating to and from the target, managing the aircraft and accomplishing a task that isn't always directly combat related. I like to rely on my head rather than my reflexes. And I rarely fly in BoS MP, because there is very little scope to do so. I agree with Murf that there really needs to be some point reward for reconnaissance missions however. Rise of Flight neglected this and it took the reward out of it quite a bit. I remember flying a two seater for nearly two hours over the front. Accomplishing the mission goals singlehanded and unlocking new aircraft for the team. All I got in return was a, "Thx for the DVIIf MF, lol" in the chat bar. 3
Rjel Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) Granted this is just a quick picture of Stalingrad, but suppose it would be possible to pinpoint targets in a user made mission. Simulated photo interpreters. How would that be for some immersion? Edited March 8, 2015 by Rjel
AbortedMan Posted March 8, 2015 Author Posted March 8, 2015 Yes definately. But then I quite enjoy doing the transport runs, so I may be weird. I just like anything that feels colaborative; not in a 'collaboration with the enemy' sense of course. Perhaps valuable targets: points, or targerts with logistic impacts such as limited plane sets (remove those pesky 190s )... reduced ammo, or no AP or HE until a transport flight has countered it... These must be 'reconned' to make them live? Unlocking ordnance and fuel levels was my original plan, but it requires the "force fuel/ammo loads" Server variable to be working...and it doesn't right now, which is really a bummer. I have managed to get a reconnaissance mission feature added to the mission on the Eagle's Nest which requires you to take a specific Russian aircraft out of Verkhnyaya Akhtuba labeled "437 IAP - Recon" to search for German armor columns. Once found you need to get back to the airfield before the intel expires. If successful, the tanks position is highlighted on your team's map. I haven't tested it yet, so please give it a try and give some feedback.
Brano Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Just gauging interest in reconnaissance missions on public servers. Would players enjoy participating in a solo (or winged) flight specifically for seeking out enemy ground targets to alert their team of their positions? Count me in+arty spotting,ferry flights,liaison... Anything not requiring guns'n'bombs
Sokol1 Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 To make things more interesting, set these Recon planes without ammo. If needed photo Recon pictures can be upload for some home page and accessed with STEAM browser overlay (no Alt+Tab needed).
216th_Xenos Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 (edited) To make things more interesting, set these Recon planes without ammo. If needed photo Recon pictures can be upload for some home page and accessed with STEAM browser overlay (no Alt+Tab needed). Agreed about the ammo, or at least make the plane a LaGG. The problem with it being a yak, when the airfield runs out of fighter yaks, people will just grab the recon ones and waste them. I reckon you should make it a plane which has unlimited availability on the airfield. Edited March 8, 2015 by N1SB.Xenos
Yakdriver Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Recon will be a simulated process that involves the player to take a "Recon" aircraft up and find (fly over/near) certain units which will then be "radioed" to his team via on-screen messages. There's not much I can do to make the information permanent like change the map or something, but it seems like it would be a cool little mechanic. sounds like a thing i would do. if you can then spawn a horde of fast moving tanks to take ut the target i spotted... and give me the credit, or a bit of it... or have Arty shell the zone... Hell yea!
Sokol1 Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 or have Arty shell the zone... BTW - You know how make BM-13 (Katyusha) - is vehicle in ME, not artillery - fire the rockets?
Jade_Monkey Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 Personally I'm not interested. With the current state of servers being half empty and the full ones still feeling empty, I feel like every mission is a recon mission. That's not to say I dont like the game. Quite the contrary, I love it. However I feel like most of the time there is not much going on.
Yakdriver Posted March 8, 2015 Posted March 8, 2015 BTW - You know how make BM-13 (Katyusha) - is vehicle in ME, not artillery - fire the rockets? No idea, my friend! what makes this double interesting, for me, is that anyone who is able to fly can fly a recon mission. One does not need to be a dogfighter, nor be able to drop bombs accurately. If a "recon" plane works in a similar way that the "transport" planes work, then any and all planes can potentially be used for the role. Why? because any pilot can hold a camera for a few moments, (fighters) or have a gunner that holds one (multicrew). I would be interested to hear how this could work for me in my big, Ugly LaGG... we could actually help the War effort instead of being useless meat occupying a precious player slot...
AbortedMan Posted March 8, 2015 Author Posted March 8, 2015 Thanks for testing and reporting! This is the first rough draft of the concept so I expect there will be some errors and bugs. Glad to see the "spotting" trigger works as I intended. To complete the mission make sure you're heading back to Verkhnyaya Akhtuba, landing, and finishing flight within the time frame of the mission, which is about 4 minutes for the closer targets...since you have to finish flight you'll be in the spawn screen when the notification pops up, so you won't see it, but you should see the tanks dots on the map. I'm still testing the time limits and functionality of mission completion...it gets sticky when I have to factor in triggers for multiple Recon planes and proper timing, so issues may show themselves.
SYN_Haashashin Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Next Thursday (if there is no mistakes by me) we at The Syndicate server will offer a "Brand new" Recon mission. Noted the ""?? Mainly cus is one of the Recon Logics we used for RoF untill Ankor gave us his piece of art when he built a real photo recon logic. This recon mission consist in flying to the marked area, and fly 3 legs from point A to B. Then the photos are taken and you can get back home. No time limit to get back. Once you get back with the photos something is triggered, it can be tanks, cars, a bombing objective, new bombers, etc... For this time I think Im only gonna actívate a bombing objective or only new planes. Untill Im sure its working as it should. 1
AbortedMan Posted March 9, 2015 Author Posted March 9, 2015 Hi Haash, I'm trying to get players in my mission for testing...I'd appreciate it if you didn't hijack this thread to recruit for your server. Your SYN server thread in the server forum is already the only one that gets to be stickied, I'd think you have enough visibility on updates and requests from the community in another thread. 1
SYN_Haashashin Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Huh?? hijack?? Isnt this a topic about Recon missions on MP servers??, at least thats what the topic title says. Didnt know this was your server topic. If it was only for your server, then sorry, your topic title isnt clear enought I guess. 1
Yakdriver Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 nobody "recruits"...we players go where the missions don't suck...or else, if you recruit me, i expect to be paid...my going rate is 20 Euro's an hour.
TheNotoriousFNG Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Count me in, I'd be curious to try this out! If we got a Fieseler Fi 156 Storch at some point, I'd enjoy flying that thing around too...
AbortedMan Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 I've rewritten the recon mission to be more reliable. It now requires the recon flight to fly by German armor which will immediately report their position on your team's map for a short time. No need to return to base. Useful and fun little mission to help collaborate team efforts to complete objectives for those that don't necessarily want to always dogfight but can turn the tide of the overall mission in a significant way. 2
Feathered_IV Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I notice that tanks are used a lot as ground targets, though they are not as plentiful as trucks were. Trucks are considerably more fun to shoot up as well. Is there any possibility of boosting the numbers of softskin vehicles on a map?
AbortedMan Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 That's a good point. Will do! I'll make the changes in the next version tomorrow.
Finkeren Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I notice that tanks are used a lot as ground targets, though they are not as plentiful as trucks were. Trucks are considerably more fun to shoot up as well. Is there any possibility of boosting the numbers of softskin vehicles on a map? Tbh. I think tanks work better in MP because they're harder targets and hence you can make do with fewer of them. In an ideal world there would be a sprawling mix of hundreds of ground objects below you in a MP mission, but I don't think that's feasible in BoS.
Feathered_IV Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I'd read earlier that BoS can support infinite waves of tanks, so I'd hoped even half that might be possible with other vehicles. I'd love to stumble across a long serpentine column of trucks in a mission. The scope for mayhem and massive property damage would be huge. I understand both sides would station mobile flak positions along the route of a planned convoy, do it wouldn't be a complete walkover. You'd have to dash in and out while attacking, and keep your distance while recconoitering.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Reconissence flights were pretty interestignly made in RoF.. I wished that level of fidelety was implemented in BoS as well. Don't know if I'm going to fly it often although it sounds interesting to be the unarmed, stealthy guy trying to sneak behind enemy lines to report ground targets. Don't know if the lagg is suited fo thisd task though. Pe-2s were way more commonly deployed as reccon aorcraft so were others like the Su-2 (not ingame). Maybe for close range reconnisence the Lagg will overall work better though.
AbortedMan Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 Reconissence flights were pretty interestignly made in RoF.. I wished that level of fidelety was implemented in BoS as well. Don't know if I'm going to fly it often although it sounds interesting to be the unarmed, stealthy guy trying to sneak behind enemy lines to report ground targets. Don't know if the lagg is suited fo thisd task though. Pe-2s were way more commonly deployed as reccon aorcraft so were others like the Su-2 (not ingame). Maybe for close range reconnisence the Lagg will overall work better though. I wanted to use the Pe-2 originally, but was told by others that the LaGG would be more publicly accepted for the mission since not many people want to fly twin engine aircraft. I may change this though since I do agree and want more emphasis on historical accuracy (within the plausible limits of gameplay and what is available).
Feathered_IV Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I know if I were in a command position and was accocating aircraft fro a reconnaissance mission, I'd choose the Pe-2. Three sets of eyes are better than one. Added to that, you might be able to wring a bit more immersion out of things by altering the text message that occurs when a target is spotted, writing it in such a way that it sounds like the message comes from one of your crewmen. Even better if you can cause a custom speech sample to play too... I'd also suggest that the people lobbying for single engined aircraft only are part of the problem in MP. Certainly not part of the cure.
AbortedMan Posted March 10, 2015 Author Posted March 10, 2015 Aye, agreed...but that's a double edged sword. If the single engine guys don't get to do what they want, they just leave. Then we have an issue of sterile and lonely gameplay for those that like a little more interaction while doing objectives. As for the dialog when spotting units, I would like to personalize them to be specific to the recon mission, but until we get server logs and scripting working, all on screen notifications are forced to show up for the whole team. This would be a bit confusing for others that aren't participants in recon.
Brano Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Reccon flights in his MiG3 were large part of Pokryshkins activities during 1941 Barbarossa operation.Due to chaos and mass retreat of soviet forces,high command had no idea who is doing what and where.Common fighter units did the job (like his 55IAP) of HQ "eyes in the air".He performed several very important flights positioning spearheads of german panzer corps of gen.von Kleist.
FlatSpinMan Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 I recall reading about single and trios of VVS fighters doing recon missions during Barbarossa on the Southern Front . I guess options are the way to go here.
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