6./ZG26_McKvack Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) I was just wondering and hoping for an answer if it will be in the next update? And also is there any new plans for making it flyable? As i recall Loft stated that if everything goes well with BOS there might be a flyable Ju-52 and i guess the news about BOM is proof that BOS was successful? Regards, McKvack Edited February 16, 2015 by McKvack
ShamrockOneFive Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) No news that I'm aware of. It looks like it's complete and fully implemented so maybe in the next update we'll see it... they mentioned 40 fixes coming and who knows what is contained in that. I'm sure their artists will be focused on the next 10 aircraft but maybe there are a few others that will appear as well. Li-2 as a Ju52 counterpart? If they make two of them flyable they would be of niche interest but maybe some dedicated transport missions would appeal to some players. Many have spoken about it. Perhaps some sort of multiplayer trigger system so that objectives could be achieved by delivering X amount of cargo to a designated airport. Edited February 16, 2015 by ShamrockOneFive
Yakdriver Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 No plans announced to make it flyable.IIRC, to be deployed in the next, or "one of the" upcoming patches.next patch imagined to be end of February, not set in stone yet.
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted February 16, 2015 Author Posted February 16, 2015 No news that I'm aware of. It looks like it's complete and fully implemented so maybe in the next update we'll see it... they mentioned 40 fixes coming and who knows what is contained in that. I'm sure their artists will be focused on the next 10 aircraft but maybe there are a few others that will appear as well. Li-2 as a Ju52 counterpart? If they make two of them flyable they would be of niche interest but maybe some dedicated transport missions would appeal to some players. Many have spoken about it. Perhaps some sort of multiplayer trigger system so that objectives could be achieved by delivering X amount of cargo to a designated airport. New mission possibilities will be much higher with the Ju-52. I really hope that it will be flyable. And i think that many would buy it even tho its not a fighter http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/844-tante-ju/?hl=ju#820852=&page=2 I am also thinking about this: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/833-junkers-ju-52-workhorse-stalingrad/page-3?do=findComment&comment=16416 Devs why not take the possibility and create a cockpit now when we got an AFM and external model. I mean there is so much documentary and pictures of it compared to many other aircrafts
=EXPEND=Dendro Posted February 18, 2015 Posted February 18, 2015 (edited) I'd love to fly it. I believe my grandfather flew them when he was a pilot for the south african air force and airways....He also flew the Lockheed Hudson over East and North Africa during the war. There is still a 52 flying around down here (I think) http://www.saamuseum.co.za/our-aircraft/66-junkers-ju-52-casa-352l.html Edited February 18, 2015 by DendroAspis
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted February 18, 2015 Author Posted February 18, 2015 I'd love to fly it. I believe my grandfather flew them when he was a pilot for the south african air force and airways....He also flew the Lockheed Hudson over East and North Africa during the war. There is still a 52 flying around down here (I think) http://www.saamuseum.co.za/our-aircraft/66-junkers-ju-52-casa-352l.html My friends grandfather was a Ju-52 pilot during WW2. I dont remember every detail of his stories but he flew at the eastern front. 1
=EXPEND=Dendro Posted February 19, 2015 Posted February 19, 2015 My friends grandfather was a Ju-52 pilot during WW2. I dont remember every detail of his stories but he flew at the eastern front. Must have been terrible to fly under those conditions..... I read that many soldiers tried to hang on the wheels of the departing 52's to try and get out of the Kessel.
Neil Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Yes no news about tante Ju, I hope it will be flyable soon! Such interesting transport missions!
senseispcc Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Yes no news about tante Ju, I hope it will be flyable soon! Such interesting transport missions! The Germans did loose more than 425 transport aircrafts during the air supply bridge ! I say it is very interesting for the Soviet player. Edited February 24, 2015 by senseispcc
1CGS LukeFF Posted February 24, 2015 1CGS Posted February 24, 2015 The Germans did loose more than 425 transport aircrafts during the air supply bridge ! I say it is very interesting for the Soviet player. So why are you rolling your eyes if you think it's interesting?
1CGS BlackSix Posted February 24, 2015 1CGS Posted February 24, 2015 Yes no news about tante Ju, I hope it will be flyable soon! Such interesting transport missions! Ju 52 is not yet ready and we've no plan to do it flyable.
Blooddawn1942 Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Really sad. I had hope that there was at least a little chance that we might get it as a flyable aircraft someday. I guess many of us would gladly pay for it. Just tell us, did you ever considered of making it flyable and thus came to the conclusion that it could not reach the break even point, or was it absolutely clear from the beginning , that it will never happen?
Brano Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Ju 52 is not yet ready and we've no plan to do it flyable. What about kickstarter/preorder campaign? You could find out how many customers are willing to buy it and that would give you info about profitability of such enterprise.And if you are loaded with 3D modelling,maybe outsource this job to externist 3D modeller to do it and then put it together with external model by yourself. Just my 2cents PS: Personaly,I am ready to pay 50€ for such plane.Seriously.I am a Collector
1CGS BlackSix Posted February 24, 2015 1CGS Posted February 24, 2015 Really sad. I had hope that there was at least a little chance that we might get it as a flyable aircraft someday. I guess many of us would gladly pay for it. Just tell us, did you ever considered of making it flyable and thus came to the conclusion that it could not reach the break even point, or was it absolutely clear from the beginning , that it will never happen? We would like to do it but we don't have the resources and time for this work now. All our 3D-artists already created planes, vehicles and buildings for the Battle for Moscow. 3
EAF19_Marsh Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 I would pre-order as an AI; gesture of good will and so forth. BlackSix, are there any plans to pre-release any BoM aircraft prior to the completed version? Suspect a few people would buy them as early add-ons for BoS (I-16 for me )
No601_Swallow Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 We would like to do it but we don't have the resources and time for this work now. All our 3D-artists already created planes, vehicles and buildings for the Battle for Moscow. Thanks for the information. But do the 3D-artists really need weekends and evenings free?
1CGS BlackSix Posted February 24, 2015 1CGS Posted February 24, 2015 BlackSix, are there any plans to pre-release any BoM aircraft prior to the completed version? Suspect a few people would buy them as early add-ons for BoS (I-16 for me ) http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/14556-developer-diary-part-88-discussion/?view=findpost&p=232820 If you buy pre-order BoM you'll see new planes earlier.
Blooddawn1942 Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Thanks for letting us know BlackSix ! Your honest answers are very much appreciated! Good to hear that content is allready being created for Bom! So maybe we have not to wait too long after the EA kicks off in March to check out one of the upcomming new aircrafts.
kendo Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) I can understand the desire for a flyable Ju52, but maybe we should see the positive aspects of the dev's decision to include it as a non-flyable. This is a big departure from the previously held position in ROF, and I believe from what was intended for BOS as well. And the increased flexibility brought by this decision may be good for the future of this series as it could allow them to include further AI-only aircraft just like was done in original il-2. The benefits of quicker production time could for instance let us see AI-only B17s and B24s when the series finally does (hopefully) make the transition to the west. This would be in keeping with the original situation in il-2 (pre-modding). It allows for at least the inclusion of what some would see as essential aircraft to a theatre, with a much-streamlined effect on production resources. Maybe at a future date they can be made flyable, but getting them IN to start with is something we should all welcome. For those saying the Ju52 SHOULD have been in as a flyable from the start, I would ask if they would then have been happy to forego the He111 or any other German medium bomber? Given a choice would you want a flyable Ju52 and an AI-only He111 or vice versa? Edited February 24, 2015 by kendo 1
oneeyeddog Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 I can't imagine that the plan calls for only one non-flyable Aircraft, the Ju 52, for both BoS and BoM.
kendo Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Yes, I agree. But ROF never had ANY in its whole history. A different business model of course. But if they get criticism and only disappointment from adding something extra to this game, maybe it would affect plans and thinking further down the road and we all end up worse off?
A-E-Hartmann Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) If you buy pre-order BoM you'll see new planes earlier. I eagerly await . Edited February 24, 2015 by A-E-Hartmann
Blooddawn1942 Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 I'm totally happy, that they changed their mind regarding AI only aircraft. The Ju 52 as an addition is more then welcome! So absolutely no criticism from my side! I was just hoping, as many others, that we could see the Tante Ju someday as an flyable aircraft.
DD_Arthur Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 But ROF never had ANY in its whole history. A different business model of course. But if they get criticism and only disappointment from adding something extra to this game, maybe it would affect plans and thinking further down the road and we all end up worse off? RoF did have a.i. only aircraft at one point. I seem to remember the Breugeot was introduced like this initially and one other I can't remember. Note they haven't said "never" just no plans to. Since we know the devs stick to a fairly tight schedule of development perhaps this could be a wait and see exercise.
kendo Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) Blooddawn1942: I know, I should have added really that there has been no criticism in this thread, but elsewhere and earlier in the EA there was a lot of disappointment that the Ju52 wasn't going to be available. I share the desire for a flyable one at some point too. Just wanted to flag up the big positive that getting AI-only aircraft represents for the future of this sim. Another difference from ROF (apart from the business model) is that so many more WW2 aircraft are large and multi-crewed. And yet I do believe they originally intended to only have flyables in BOS, so the change of mind is very positive and can only get more important in the future as this series develops. This is an even bigger question too for DCS as they try to build up their WW2 sim Edited February 24, 2015 by kendo 1
oneeyeddog Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Blooddawn1942: I know, I should have added really that there has been no criticism in this thread, but elsewhere and earlier in the EA there was a lot of disappointment that the Ju52 wasn't going to be available. I share the desire for a flyable one at some point too. Just wanted to flag up the big positive that getting AI-only aircraft represents for the future of this sim. Another difference from ROF (apart from the business model) is that so many more WW2 aircraft are large and multi-crewed. And yet I do believe they originally intended to only have flyables in BOS, so the change of mind is very positive and can only get more important in the future as this series develops. This is an even bigger question too for DCS as they try to build up their WW2 sim +1
EAF19_Marsh Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 http://forum.il2stur...ndpost&p=232820 If you buy pre-order BoM you'll see new planes earlier. Thank you, I suspect I shall Time for the 'More Crap 'Planes, please' thread?
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted February 24, 2015 Author Posted February 24, 2015 Thanks for the info BlackSix. But i still hope for a flyable Ju-52 someday. The first simulator with a 3-engine plane that has an advanced flight model It would fit perfectly as a standalone plane for 19 EUR that would fit in any theater of WW2
Blooddawn1942 Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 I guess that 19 euro would not be enough to be profitable with such a huge plane.
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted February 24, 2015 Author Posted February 24, 2015 I guess that 19 euro would not be enough to be profitable with such a huge plane. Well the premium planes are 18 EUR...
Yakdriver Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Thanks for the info BlackSix. But i still hope for a flyable Ju-52 someday. The first simulator with a 3-engine plane that has an advanced flight model It would fit perfectly as a standalone plane for 19 EUR that would fit in any theater of WW2 "any" Pacific?!
LizLemon Posted February 24, 2015 Posted February 24, 2015 Yes, I agree. But ROF never had ANY in its whole history. A different business model of course. But if they get criticism and only disappointment from adding something extra to this game, maybe it would affect plans and thinking further down the road and we all end up worse off? Jason was in charge of RoF But Loft is in charge of BoS/BoM Hence the different approaches
Freycinet Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Ahem, Liz, that's not exactly how it is... A flyable Ju-52/3m will segue perfectly into the next 777Studios sim, dedicated to the Spanish Civil War, yup, y'all heard it here first... :-)
sallee Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 So why are you rolling your eyes if you think it's interesting? I think that actually represents a soviet airman watching a Ju-52 flying overhead from left to right.
LizLemon Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Ahem, Liz, that's not exactly how it is... A flyable Ju-52/3m will segue perfectly into the next 777Studios sim, dedicated to the Spanish Civil War, yup, y'all heard it here first... :-) Posted by Han in this thread "Because rof Jason chief. Exactly for the same reason in rof: - The spread of guns 10 times more real - black night so that night, no one plays - more certain things that I forgot" Posted by Han in this thread - http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2672-obsuzhdenie-89-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-6 Sure sounds like Jason was in charge of RoF but isn't in charge of BoS/BoM
Dakpilot Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 Jason was in charge of RoF But Loft is in charge of BoS/BoM Hence the different approaches Posted by Han in this thread "Because rof Jason chief. Exactly for the same reason in rof: - The spread of guns 10 times more real - black night so that night, no one plays - more certain things that I forgot" Posted by Han in this thread - http://forum.il2sturmovik.ru/topic/2672-obsuzhdenie-89-j-chasti-dnevnikov-razrabotchika/page-6 Sure sounds like Jason was in charge of RoF but isn't in charge of BoS/BoM Everyone knows 777/1CGS is a partnership...that is not quite what you said in your post Cheers Dakpilot
Rama Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 It's up to the dev to tell us (or not) about their area of responsabilities Please stop the speculation about. 1
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted February 25, 2015 Posted February 25, 2015 - The spread of guns 10 times more real WHAT? 10 times!! more spread that was real historical value.... if true, for me it's too big manipulation, for sake of game balance. Yes it true that ROF doesn't stimulate others factors which affect the gunnery, and spread was introduced because people complains about sniper shooting, and hits from 300 or more meters but how much ?? fore GOD sake this is first war combat sim not just flight sim. Nah can't be true.
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