For your flare pistol in Erla Haube 109s?

[II./JG27_Rich]

I'm sure I saw a drawing of a late model 109 cockpit somewhere that labeled this tube that exits out that little vent a "Flare Gun Tube" or something like that. You would have no sliding window on an Erla Haube so there would have to be some way to shoot off a flare right? Is anyone a real 109 expert in here? The flare gun yesterday in the Live stream reminded me of this. Just incase we go on to 1944-45 

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Yeh there was a port for firing flares

[II./JG27_Rich]

Yeh there was a port for firing flares

Thanks Emil 

[Cybermat47]

Why did WWII pilots have flares? Wouldn't their radio work better? Or was it a backup in case the radio was damaged?

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

In those attached pics the red arrow points to that flare tube. AFAIK it was there on all models. Flares were used for ID the AAA or airfield of an own plane approaching. I read somewhere in certain situations there was a combo of colors to be fired or a single flare, depending on given order.

[Cybermat47]

Flares were used for ID the AAA or airfield of an own plane approaching.

 

I see. That makes more sense than radioing the control tower then having somebody run out to all the AA guns to tell them that the plane was friendly. By that time the base would be in ruins if it was an enemy plane. Edited September 26, 2013 by Cybermat47

[DB605]

Actually many (maybe even most) of F-model cockpits were equipped with flare port like erla-haube models, right lower triangle window was replaced with metal part.

 

[II./JG27_Rich]

Why did WWII pilots have flares? Wouldn't their radio work better? Or was it a backup in case the radio was damaged?

I think I have your answer. I'll give it a whirl. I think a flare would be a good way to tell many people at the same time that you're in trouble quickly. Maybe you would radio in first and then when you're over the field shoot a flare off also or maybe your radio took a shell and isn't even working if so a flare would be your only way of informing the field you're in trouble. Or smoke from your aeroplane 

Actually many (maybe even most) of F-model cockpits were equipped with flare port like erla-haube models, right lower triangle window was replaced with metal part.

 

Great find

Edited September 26, 2013 by II./JG27Richie

[LukeFF]

B-17s would fire off flares for a variety of reasons, including when they had wounded personnel on board:

 

From http://www.398th.org/Research/398th_FAQ.html

 

What were the flares used for on B-17s?

Answer: Flares were used as signaling devices in special circumstances. The 398th B-17s had a standard Very pistol installation in the overhead panel of the pilot’s compartment. The Very pistol was originally invented by Edward W. Very in 1877 and had long history of use for military and nautical signaling, particularly at night and in low light conditions. A B-17 crew member could load a Very pistol with a cartridge, connect the muzzle of the pistol into the discharge socket with a twisting motion and fire a flare into the air above the airplane. A number of flare colors, including red and green, were used for different purposes. Lead crews could use flares to convey prearranged signals to their formations while in flight. Firing red flares was a serious business, especially when used during landing after returning from a mission because this signal meant there was trouble on board, such as wounded. [Contributed by Wally Blackwell, December 2003] 

The following three quotes about flares were excerpted from Thirty Four to Go by Ernest H. Walthall, First Officer.

"All signals to start engines, taxi and takeoff were with lights and flares from the control tower. Radio silence as much as possible during the entire mission." ..... "Ahead we could see the group forming and we also spotted our squadron leader firing green-green flares. It only took a few minutes to get into formation and the group leader stated the group would leave on course, climbing in ten minutes, this meant that those who were late arriving would have to catch up or it they could not find the group, would have to go to war with someone else." ..... "It was normal peel off and landing. Some of the planes were shooting flares while in the traffic pattern. Green flares were unofficial, but meant someone had completed their tour of duty, but red meant that someone was wounded. Yellow serious damage to the aircraft. The ground crews were out watching on the ramp, hoping their planes were not damaged much."

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I think I have your answer. I'll give it a whirl. I think a flare would be a good way to tell many people at the same time that you're in trouble quickly. Maybe you would radio in first and then when you're over the field shoot a flare off also or maybe your radio took a shell and isn't even working if so a flare would be your only way of informing the field you're in trouble. Or smoke from your aeroplane 

Great find

 

And like LOFT said it is a much more realistic way to locate someone you are looking for unlike the horror story in IL2 where people were flicking on and off nav lights or even worse wing smoke.

 

LOFT mentioned the port in the 109 btw so it will be possible to fire the flare gun in a 109

[Jaws2002]

 

 

Holly smoke! The "Tube launcher"!!!!!!!!

 

 

ZOMG!!!!

Edited September 27, 2013 by Jaws2002

[DB605]

LOFT mentioned the port in the 109 btw so it will be possible to fire the flare gun in a 109

Let's hope they'll modify the right triangle window like irl.

[II./JG27_Rich]

Let's hope they'll modify the right triangle window like irl.

He actually did fire a flare in a 109 already guys in the last steam or did you see that?

Edited September 27, 2013 by II./JG27Richie

[DB605]

He actually did fire a flare in a 109 already guys in the last steam or did you see that?

And your 1st screenshot shows that they have already done flare port to it Don't know why he doesen't use it thought.

[ImPeRaToR]

 

 

Holly smoke! The "Tube launcher"!!!!!!!!

 

 

ZOMG!!!!

 

noob tube :D

[II./JG27_Rich]

And your 1st screenshot shows that they have already done flare port to it Don't know why he doesen't use it thought.

Holy smokes DB.... I think you're right!

[OBT-Psycho]

just to say, I was recently looking through some cockpit pics of 109 for a model I will build later, and was wondering what might be the utlity of such a simple device. Every options came through my mind and this post showed up... like if the Univers was answering my questions...

 

great stuff BTW. I just imagine my squad trying to gather around the airfield and the leader shooting one of these to mark his position...so much better than navlight or smoke....

[II./JG27_Rich]

just to say, I was recently looking through some cockpit pics of 109 for a model I will build later, and was wondering what might be the utlity of such a simple device. Every options came through my mind and this post showed up... like if the Univers was answering my questions...

 

great stuff BTW. I just imagine my squad trying to gather around the airfield and the leader shooting one of these to mark his position...so much better than navlight or smoke....

If you even have another question just ask. There's a good chance someone will have a picture or information on what you're looking for.

[Rodolphe]

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Years ago I 've started a topic "Leuchtpistole" on an IL2 Sturmovik forum.

 

Here are some of the pictures. 

 

 

Bf 109 F-4

 

 

 

 

Bf 109 G-8, Pistol in position.

 

 

 

 

 

Flare Cartridges

 

 

 

 

Table of specific signals contained in the 103mmm Signalpatronen.

 

 

 

 

Waxed Box for ESN  6

 

 

 

 

 

Typical Flare exhaust installation on Bf 109. 

 

 

 

 

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Edited September 28, 2013 by Rodolphe

[xnomad]

In that G8 in-cockpit picture, does that Pilot have a rear view mirror installed? Or what is that?

[Rodolphe]

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In that G8 in-cockpit picture, does that Pilot have a rear view mirror installed? Or what is that?

 

Affirm !

 

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[FlatSpinMan]

Holy sh..cow, Rudolph's!

That's a pretty definitive post on the subject there!

Thanks a lot.

Its funny - all those years of il2 in a 109 cockpit and I'd always just of sort of assumed it was some kind and of vent or, and this is utterly ridiculous, an intercom. Quite who a 109 pilot in that tiny cockpit might be speaking to, I had never pondered.

[II./JG27_Rich]

I'll stash all of these important photos in my 109 folder. Great information everyone. Thank you.

[Rodolphe]

 I'd always just of sort of assumed it was some kind and of vent or, and this is utterly ridiculous, an intercom.

 

The gun port for signal flare  ...

 

 

... and the cockpit venting installation.

 

 

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[Talisman]

...

 

Years ago I 've started a topic "Leuchtpistole" on an IL2 Sturmovik forum.

 

Here are some of the pictures. 

 

 

Bf 109 F-4

 

 

 

 

Bf 109 G-8, Pistol in position.

 

 

 

 

 

Flare Cartridges

 

 

 

 

Table of specific signals contained in the 103mmm Signalpatronen.

 

 

 

 

Waxed Box for ESN  6

 

 

 

 

 

Typical Flare exhaust installation on Bf 109. 

 

 

 

 

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Amazing how small the cockpit is as shown by this photo.  This pilot has only moved his head and body a little bit to the left and still his head appears to have moved beyond were the hood would have stopped him if it had been closed.  It must have been so difficult to actually engage in combat for real in a WW2 war-bird.

[Rodolphe]

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For comparison, the gun port for signal flare installation on Fw 190 F-8 "White 1".

 

 

 

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Edited September 28, 2013 by Rodolphe

[Rodolphe]

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[Uufflakke]

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Never realized the Bf-109 cockpit was thát narrow.

 

It is even smaller than a bath tub in a shabby lowbudget hotel in the center of Paris.

 

Thanks for the info + images of the signal flare holder.

Interesting stuff.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

Never realized the Bf-109 cockpit was thát narrow.

 

It is even smaller than a bath tub in a shabby lowbudget hotel in the center of Paris.

 

Thanks for the info + images of the signal flare holder.

Interesting stuff.

 

You wouldn't want to drop your sandwiches on the floor

[OBT-Psycho]

If you even have another question just ask. There's a good chance someone will have a picture or information on what you're looking for.

thanks a lot, I won't hesitate a split second to ask. I learned by the years the amazing power of the Internet Infinite Knowledge Database

I am regulary amazed by the diversity of information you could get from a forum. 

 

and those pics are gold, just like the sim coming as somewhere on a shelf in my room sits a kit for a Bf-109F that I want to build later on. In the past I have found reliable informations by looking at the cockpit model of Il-2 1946. Some recent kits matches the planeset of BOS, and noticing this I was thinkings of buidilng a serie I would have called something like "my personal planeset from BOS".

[II./JG27_Rich]

thanks a lot, I won't hesitate a split second to ask. I learned by the years the amazing power of the Internet Infinite Knowledge Database

I am regulary amazed by the diversity of information you could get from a forum. 

 

and those pics are gold, just like the sim coming as somewhere on a shelf in my room sits a kit for a Bf-109F that I want to build later on. In the past I have found reliable informations by looking at the cockpit model of Il-2 1946. Some recent kits matches the planeset of BOS, and noticing this I was thinkings of buidilng a serie I would have called something like "my personal planeset from BOS".

Have you ever heard of the website "as is biz" ? Click on Games-IL-2 and it will get you to the IL-2 Skins page witch also has hundreds of pictures of the aircraft. Just click on witch aeroplane you want to look at.

 

http://www.asisbiz.com/index.html

Edited September 28, 2013 by II./JG27Richie

[OBT-Psycho]

some nice stuff there too.

 

I usually go on Wingpalettes to get an profile, it is quite extensive. but you know, you never have too much data in this genre of hobby

[Rodolphe]

And your 1st screenshot shows that they have already done flare port to it Don't know why he doesen't use it thought.

 

The Signal Flare installation is available from the Internal cockpit view ...

 

 

 

But it's still need a graphic fix on the outside view from the cockpit and ...

 

 

 

... on the external view.

 

 

 

 

WIP be sure !    

 

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Edited September 28, 2013 by Rodolphe

[Rodolphe]

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Planes and modifications

The key difference between our new project and the previous one is that all additional content can be obtained for free.

All planes that participated in the Battle of Stalingrad had various sorts of weapon and equipment modifications and even global design modifications. All of them will be available as un-lockable rewards. We've selected the five most interesting modifications for each aircraft in the game. Some are significant, others - typical. For instance, Soviet air forces soon realized how vulnerable an attack plane (Sturmovik) is and started installing gunner-manned turrets in the field. The German Luftwaffe used lots of standard issue modifications: drop tanks, under-wing gun pods. And of course both sides used such typical mods as different bombs and rockets. And we add other exciting opportunities like removing head armor plate if it limits your view.

 

Wondering if this Signal flare installation could be an added options / opportunities available in game ? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited September 29, 2013 by Rodolphe

[OBT-Psycho]

maybe it will be a loadout option, just like the different device you can add to your plane in RoF. that would explain the screenshots differences