Ju 88

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

If in time a Ju 88 is added which version would you prefer, this aircraft was on all fronts from the Polish Campaign, the battle of France, the battle of Britian, and the eastern front. In the original IL2 we had only one very early version available. But there where several versions widely used, which would be a good addition to BoS and what ever is to follow.

[Cybermat47]

Dive bombers are the only bombers I can fly effectively.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

keep in mind a possible modification for the 88A:

remove of the Lotfe bombsight and mounting a forward firing 20mm MG-FF/M instead

Also most of these Ju 88s had their divebrakes removed. They attacked low level or in a swallower dive.

 

3000kg of bombs........no tactical range. The front bombbay (able to carry18xSC50) was almost every time used by a fueltank. The rear one ( 10xSC50) actually too.

Loading a bomber is always math between range (amount of fuel) bomblod and the maximum take off weight.

 

A Ju88C had at least one 20mm and three 7,92mm firing forward btw. Two additional 20mm when the rear/low defence weapon was removed.

So 3x20mm , 3x7,92mm plus 10xSC50 bombs (in the rear bombbay, the forward bombbay normaly carried a fueltank and these Cs had no wingbombracks) would be ok for groundattack too i guess

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Well I just listed the four most common versions, that there where many subversions is true,

but I doubt we will ever see them let alone four versions of the Ju 88, I have my fingers crossed that

if this plane makes its appearance that it will not be the weakest, slowest and least armored version

like in IL2. Yes a German bomber with good forward firing guns would be the thing!

That with the 3000kg was the max load for the A4, I thought it worth while mentioning,

then in IL2 some one hat the bright idea of allowing 2 x SC2000 which was a joke.

As only rookies took that loadout, and anyone with a wee bit of knowledge would just sit back

watch the poor sod try to take off and watch the fire works a few minutes later when the plane crashes.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Lord_Haw-Haw

[FlatSpinMan]

I'm surprised it's not in the game already, so yes, I'd love to see it there. It's such a nice looking plane, I've always thought.

What variant was the most common at the time, do you know?

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

Well I just listed the four most common versions, that there where many subversions is true,but I doubt we will ever see them let alone four versions of the Ju 88, I have my fingers crossed thatif this plane makes its appearance that it will not be the weakest, slowest and least armored versionlike in IL2. Yes a German bomber with good forward firing guns would be the thing!That with the 3000kg was the max load for the A4, I thought it worth while mentioning,then in IL2 some one hat the bright idea of allowing 2 x SC2000 which was a joke.As only rookies took that loadout, and anyone with a wee bit of knowledge would just sit backwatch the poor sod try to take off and watch the fire works a few minutes later when the plane crashes.

a"standard" A-4 would be the best choice for the game, true.

I just wanted to say that there were modified A-4s that had these 20mm gun. And 777 'loves' weaponmodifications for its planes, dont they

 

So a Ju88A-4 modpack could look this way:

- replace the two upper MG81 with one MG131

- forward firing MG-FF ( bombsight has to be removed than)

- 10xSC50 in rearbombbay (default would be fueltank)

- remove divebrakes, gives higher speed ( even not much more....)

- access to SC1000

 

 

TBH, i expect the Ju88A-4 and the A-20 Boston in 777s next adon map :D

Edited September 24, 2013 by III/JG53Frankyboy

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

I'm surprised it's not in the game already, so yes, I'd love to see it there. It's such a nice looking plane, I've always thought.

What variant was the most common at the time, do you know?

The first three where around during the battle of Stalingrad. The most common versions where the A and the C versions

Here you see in what numbers and what versions the Ju 88 was built.

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Ju88.htm

Edited September 24, 2013 by Lord_Haw-Haw

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

a"standard" A-4 would be the best choice for the game, true.

I just wanted to say that there were modified A-4s that had these 20mm gun. And 777 'loves' weaponmodifications for its planes, dont they

 

So a Ju88A-4 modpack could look this way:

- replace the two upper MG81 with one MG131

- forward firing MG-FF ( bombsight has to be removed than)

- 10xSC50 in rearbombbay (default would be fueltank)

- remove divebrakes, gives higher speed ( even not much more....)

- access to SC1000

 

 

TBH, i expect the Ju88A-4 and the A-20 Boston in 777s next adon map :D

I would be more than happy for every variation we would get!

It might then bring into life again a few bomber squadrons, that have

disappeared due to CoD. Would love it if the others from II/KG30 would return

to flight sims again, and show once again what carpet bombing is.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

Are we limited to just one?

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Are we limited to just one?

I hope not, but up to now in all the flight sims I have ever seen, the most that was available

was one single version.

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

I hope not, but up to now in all the flight sims I have ever seen, the most that was available

was one single version.

 

Hmmm.... I agree, with the exception of RoF, where we have two flavors of Nieuport 17 and two flavors of Albatros D.II.

[Matt]

Tough to say. If we get The Hs-129 or Ju-87G before the Ju-88, I would prefer an A variant. Otherwise, a P would be great.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Tough to say. If we get The Hs-129 or Ju-87G before the Ju-88, I would prefer an A variant. Otherwise, a P would be great.

Well my personal favorites would be the A and the C, I just have to think of a fighters face thinking he can make piece meal of

a flight of Ju 88s till he notices that amongst the A variant there are some of these:

[Matt]

Well, if we can have multiple variants, then A and C would of course make sense. But just without the other, the C variant wouldn't really be my priority to be honest.

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

Here are the specs, of the above mentioned aircraft:

Specifications Ju 88 A-4

 

General characteristics

• Crew: 4 (pilot, bombardier/front gunner, radio operator/rear gunner, navigator/ventral gunner)
• Length: 14.36 m (47 ft 2⅞ in)
• Wingspan: 20.08 m (65 ft 10½ in)
• Height: 5.07 m (16.63 ft)
• Wing area: 54.7 m² (587 ft²)
• Loaded weight: 8,550 kg (18,832 lb)
• Max. takeoff weight: 14,000 kg (30,865 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × Junkers Jumo 211J liquid-cooled inverted V-12, 1,044 kW (1,420 PS, 1,401 hp) each

Performance

• Maximum speed: 510 km/h (317 mph) at 5,300 m (17,389 ft) without external bomb racks or 433 km/h (269 mph) at 4,500 m (14,765 ft) at 14,000 kg (30,865 lb)
• Range: 2,430 km (1,429 mi) maximum internal fuel
• Service ceiling: 9,000 m (29,500 ft) at average weight, without bombs
• Rate of climb: 235 m/min (770 ft/min)

Armament

• Guns:
  • 1 × 7.92 mm MG 81J machine gun on flexible mount in front windscreen, firing forward with 1,000 rounds.
  • 1 × 7.92 mm MG 81J machine gun on flexible mount in lower fuselage nose glazing, firing forward with 1,000 rounds.
  • 2 × 7.92 mm MG 81J machine guns on flexible mount in the rear of the cockpit canopy, firing aft with 1,000 rounds each.
  • 1 × 7.92 mm MG 81Z twin machine gun on flexible mount in the rear ventral Bola position, firing aft with 1,000 rounds.
• Bombs: Up to 1,400 kilograms (3,100 lb) of ordnance internally in two bomb bays rated at 900 kg (2,000 lb) and 500 kg (1,100 lb) or up to 3,000 kg (6,600 lb) externally. Carrying bombs externally increased weight and drag and impaired the aircraft's performance. Carrying the maximum load usually required rocket-assisted take-off.

Armament options

• Additional option for a pair of 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 15 machine guns on flexible "Donut" mountings firing laterally, one on each side of the cockpit canopy.
• A single 13 mm (.51 in) MG 131 machine gun was sometimes used instead of the 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 81J or MG 81Z machine guns in the A-Stand, B-Stand or ventral Bola positions.
• Aircraft may carry one 20 mm MG FF cannon in the nose for ground attack purposes, with 90 rounds of ammunition, in place of the Lotfernrohr 7 bombsight
• A modification of the Ju 88 A-4, the Ju 88 A-13 could mount the Waffenbehälter WB 81A or WB 81B (firing with 15° downwards deflection) gun pods on the external bomb racks for ground attack duties, each "watering can" containing three 7.92 mm (.312 in) MG 81Z twin machine guns, for strafing enemy troops.

 

Technical data on the Junkers Ju 88C-6c

Powerplant 2 × Junkers Jumo 211J-1/2 inverted-Vee, rated at 1340 hp (998.96 kW) each   Role during war

• (Ground) Attack Fighter
• Close Support Attack Fighter
• Fighter-bomber
• Night-Fighter
• Long range (attack) Fighter
• Medium Bomber
• Dive Bomber
• Torpedo Bomber
• Reconnaissance Aircraft

Length 47 ft 1.33 inch   Height 16 ft 7.5 inch Empty weight 19973 lb   Operational weight 27225 lb typical Wing Span 65 ft 10.5 inch   Wing Aspect ratio 7.4 Wing Area 586.65 sq ft   Service ceiling 32480 ft Maximum speed 307 mph at 17390 ft   Cruising speed 279 mph at optimum altitude Initial climb rate 1,772 ft per min,
Climb to 19,685 ft in 12 min 42 sec   Range 646 miles typical,
1230 miles max Fuel capacity internal 704 Imp gal (845 US gal)   Fuel capacity external - Machine guns

• 3 × 0.312 inch MG 17 fixed forward-firing in the nose, 2.800 rounds total
• 1 × 0.51 inch MG 131 trainable rearward-firing in the rear cockpit, 750 rounds

  Cannons

• 1 × 20 mm MG 151/20 fixed forward-firing in the nose, 120 rounds
• 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 fixed forward-firing in the ventral tray, 120 rounds each
• 2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 fixed obliquely up- and forward-firing in the central fuselage, 200 rounds each

Bomb load -   Torpedoes/rockets - Crew 3: pilot, radar operator/gunner, radio operator/gunner   Naval or ground based Ground First flight (prototype) 21 December 1936   Operational Service 1939 - 1945 Manufacturer Junkers Flugzeug- und Motorenwerke A.G.   Number produced

14.980 total, over 3.200 Ju 88C's/R's

 

 

 

 

 

 

Specifications Ju 88 P-2

 

General characteristics

• Crew: 3
• Length: 14.85 m ()
• Wingspan: 20 m ()
• Height: 4.85 m ()
• Wing area: 54.56 m² ()
• Empty weight: c. 11,080 kg ()
• Max. takeoff weight: c. 12,670 kg ()
• Powerplant: 2 × Jumo 211J-2 12-cylinder inverted-vee, 1,420 PS (1,044 kW) each

Performance

• Maximum speed: 360 km/h
• Range: 1,580 km ()
• Service ceiling: c. 5500 m ()

Armament

• Guns:
  • 2 × 37 mm Bordkanone BK 3,7 cannon in a conformal gun pod under the front fuselage, firing forwards.
  • up to 6 x 7.92 mm machine guns.

[Cybermat47]

Well my personal favorites would be the A and the C, I just have to think of a fighters face thinking he can make piece meal of

a flight of Ju 88s till he notices that amongst the A variant there are some of these:

 

Let's have that

[Lord_Haw-Haw]

A shameless bump, as this bomber would be a fitting counterpart to the Pe2.

[Karost]

-> Ju 88 A-4

 

Just wonder why in history not arm 20mm in tail gunner

[LukeFF]

I would love to see the C-6 variant someday. It was planned at one time for IL2 but for some reason was dropped.

[III/JG53Frankyboy]

-> Ju 88 A-4 Just wonder why in history not arm 20mm in tail gunner

at least you could replace the two MG81 with one MG131. Nice option for a possible Weaponmodification for BoS.

[Flyingpencil]

If in time a Ju 88 is added which version would you prefer, this aircraft was on all fronts from the Polish Campaign, the battle of France, the battle of Britian, and the eastern front. In the original IL2 we had only one very early version available. But there where several versions widely used, which would be a good addition to BoS and what ever is to follow.

 

More details, but in short.

88A-4 never carried 3000kg , let alone in diver bomber roll.

 

In fact, while it could carry 2000kg (4x 500kg), I never found an operation where it did so.

keep in mind a possible modification for the 88A:

remove of the Lotfe bombsight and mounting a forward firing 20mm MG-FF/M instead

Also most of these Ju 88s had their divebrakes removed. They attacked low level or in a swallower dive.

 

3000kg of bombs........no tactical range. The front bombbay (able to carry18xSC50) was almost every time used by a fueltank. The rear one ( 10xSC50) actually too.

Loading a bomber is always math between range (amount of fuel) bomblod and the maximum take off weight.

 

A Ju88C had at least one 20mm and three 7,92mm firing forward btw. Two additional 20mm when the rear/low defence weapon was removed.

So 3x20mm , 3x7,92mm plus 10xSC50 bombs (in the rear bombbay, the forward bombbay normaly carried a fueltank and these Cs had no wingbombracks) would be ok for groundattack too i guess

 

No, never bombs on a 88C version.

[johncage]

i like the c for its unconventional role. would be interesting to fly something with that many guns.

[CCG_Pips]

How it is possible to see 3 votes for  "we do not need this plane in game" ?????     :wacko:  

 

3 votes from jokers???

Edited March 6, 2014 by C6_Pips

[13Nrv]

How it is possible to see 3 votes for  "we do not need this plane in game"    jockers ???? 

 

hmm arena dogfighters who want pink and yellow fluo skins ? ask them  which car they do  prefer : bmw e30 dtm with slick tyres  or drift ? 

Edited March 7, 2014 by 13Nrv

[Lusekofte]

The C was mainly used to fight off coastal command, I really never heard of its use in Stalingrad front. It does not stand a chance against any other airplane specially the PE-2. I rather see the 110 in action against PE-2 and PE-3 BIS .

We should go for historical planes for Stalingrad first, maybe get a map for Kursk aerea and wish for the HS-129 then. 

A JU-88 A4 would probably be most correct. Since we do not have a Russian Bomberforce to attack at night the night fighter version would just be dead weight

[DB605]

More details, but in short.

88A-4 never carried 3000kg , let alone in diver bomber roll.

 

In fact, while it could carry 2000kg (4x 500kg), I never found an operation where it did so.

 

It could take 2500kg load. You have never seen A4 with 4x500kg's? It was quite common setup in finnish airforce. There were several operations with 2x1000kg's too.

Most used setup however (in FAF) was 2x500kg's and 2x250kg's because finnish airfields were short.

Edited June 23, 2014 by DB605

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

I'd kill for the heavy fighter and night fighter.

[SOLIDKREATE]

Here's some nice info from one of my books: Luftwaffe Schlachtgruppen, By: John Weal

 

 

 

[Docholiday]

Hallo

 

 

I would prefer  the Ju-88C ! 

 

Especially the Ju-88C6  would be the plane of my choice  ....  

 

It could be used as "train-destroyer"  and very long range fighter...

 

Cheers

 

Doc

[5./StG.1_DLMalloy]

Here's an idea. How about, since Battle of Kuban is coming out, and it would make this historically acurate, adding torpedos to the ju88 for anti-shipping? I mean, we all know that it was used for that purpose, so why not? 

[Trooper117]

Because that game logic hasn't been developed for the game yet... it was supposed to be implemented for the Battle of Midway, which has now been postponed.

Unfortunately you are out of luck.

[5./StG.1_DLMalloy]

Because that game logic hasn't been developed for the game yet... it was supposed to be implemented for the Battle of Midway, which has now been postponed.

Unfortunately you are out of luck.

 

Awwww. Well I guess that makes sense. Oh well.

[Royal_Flight]

Here's an idea. How about, since Battle of Kuban is coming out, and it would make this historically acurate, adding torpedos to the ju88 for anti-shipping? I mean, we all know that it was used for that purpose, so why not? 

I hope this could be worked on in the background somewhere. The Ju 88, He 111 and A-20, all of which are in BoK could all carry torpedoes so it would be cool if they could be added at some point in the future.

 

Even if Midawy is indefinitely on hold, Kuban still offers a good place to test some of the future tech required for the Pacific as per th original plan for the theatre so it would be cool if it could get used in this way and we see torpedoes and better ship damage models and AI.

 

 

Also, regarding the Ju 88... I would be more than happy to see some new mods to add some forward-firing armament. Either the 20mm MG/FF option or even the gunpods that the Stuka has with the machine-guns would increase the usefulness immensely.

And would give a use for the gunsight.

Also would appreciate a dive-bombing sight too.

[Pail]

Kuban still offers a good place to test some of the future tech required for the Pacific as per th original plan for the theatre so it would be cool if it could get used in this way and we see torpedoes and better ship damage models and AI.

 

It sounds very sensible but i get the feeling there might be the need for a cash injection from the Bodenplatte project to make those kind of things possible. It would suck if  the global financial situation and geo-politics got in

the way of everything important.

Edited February 11, 2018 by Pail

[Royal_Flight]

It sounds very sensible but i get the feeling there might be the need for a cash injection from the Bodenplatte project to make those kind of things possible. It would suck if the global financial situation and geo-politics got in

the way of everything important.

Yeah, agreed. Although the cash injection from the Bodenplatte project is supposed to go towards funding the future of the BoX series and hopefully that means the Pacific.

And given that the devs said Kuban was to be used as a way to test technologies for the Pacific theatre (especially considering the huge expanse of water to the south west of the map) then hopefully we might see a few things that work for both the Kuban theatre as well as a future Pacific expansion.

So things like torpedoes, more advanced ship AI and seaplanes might all find their way in here, in time.

They won't be getting added to BoBo if it has no naval component and no water.