MLmarluk Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) I really appreciate community help. But I think that the time has come to release official manuals, at least for planes. Does anybody knows when we will get them and are they in plan for near future? I'm not ungrateful but I think they should give us manuals as the game is already lunched. Am I wrong? My apology if I miss something. Edited December 13, 2014 by MLmarluk
Dakpilot Posted December 13, 2014 Posted December 13, 2014 They are on the way, waiting for final features of game to be finished first, from another topic, as best as I remember Cheers Dakpilot
woodsglen Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 hmm it's been 2 weeks and then some, I came on here to read about setting controllers, etc. and look over a manual before I run the game. Only to look on the site and not see any user manual download - So I came here to see what's up? I thought an official release means it's done? I figured by January maybe they had a manual - or is mental telepathy a requirement? OK.. Jan 25 1025 - can anyone tell me where to find a manual? Thanks
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted January 25, 2015 Posted January 25, 2015 The thing about putting a manual together is that you want to try and get it right the first time. I would guess, and hope, that the manual will be comprehensive. As such, as mentioned above, they are waiting for certain things to be completed to be included in the manual. I fully realize that the NOT knowing is irritating but we don't want an incomplete manual either do we? Chief
Wuerger Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (edited) ...but we don't want an incomplete manual either do we? Chief Why should we not want an incomplete manual? An online manual for example could be completed step by step. It is a simple horror to buy a detailed sim and not be able to use all functions simply because one has no idea how this or that works or is meant by the programmers. Sim and no manual = NoGo To be honest it really sucks Edited February 2, 2015 by Wuerger
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 I see your point Wuerger but it also might be "assumed" that most folks buying into a "flight simulation" might have an idea of what they are doing. Now I did not mean for that to sound rude because, as you indicate, there are always those that just doing have a clue and need the extra help. Chief
Wuerger Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Well Chief, I have been a flight simmer for over 10 years now and have a slight idea of what I am doing No prob to get the birds into the air etc. But... Every sim has a few points in the settings that might be clear to the programmer but not always to the user as f. ex. the meaning of some key settings. F. Ex. in German Version you find a key "Steuermethode für den Pilotenkopf ändern; Einrasten mittig- fixiertes Einrasten - Blick schwenken" (don't know the exact translation in English ) No idea what this setting means, could not get it by trying it out either. Or: Every simmer tries to optimize the graphics. What about settings in your Catalyst Control Center for AMD graphics cards, how to activate AF? As ingame I only can activate AA. And so on. For me, the situation somehow is comparable to selling a video recorder without a manual. The main things you somehow manage to get working but the last 10 or 20% you only understand by reading the manual. Greetings ;-)
CorsairHundo Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 By the time a manual is available people have muddled their way through it and when it does arrive it will be too late. Unless you're just buying it obvisiouly and its out? Well Chief, I have been a flight simmer for over 10 years now and have a slight idea of what I am doing No prob to get the birds into the air etc. But... Every sim has a few points in the settings that might be clear to the programmer but not always to the user as f. ex. the meaning of some key settings. F. Ex. in German Version you find a key "Steuermethode für den Pilotenkopf ändern; Einrasten mittig- fixiertes Einrasten - Blick schwenken" (don't know the exact translation in English ) No idea what this setting means, could not get it by trying it out either. Or: Every simmer tries to optimize the graphics. What about settings in your Catalyst Control Center for AMD graphics cards, how to activate AF? As ingame I only can activate AA. And so on. For me, the situation somehow is comparable to selling a video recorder without a manual. The main things you somehow manage to get working but the last 10 or 20% you only understand by reading the manual. Greetings ;-)
Sokol1 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 "Steuermethode für den Pilotenkopf ändern; Einrasten mittig- fixiertes Einrasten - Blick schwenken" Just press F9 key and see what changes.
1CGS LukeFF Posted February 4, 2015 1CGS Posted February 4, 2015 Or: Every simmer tries to optimize the graphics. What about settings in your Catalyst Control Center for AMD graphics cards, how to activate AF? As ingame I only can activate AA. And so on. That sort of thing wouldn't be in the manual, anyways. It's far, far easier to ask a question like that here.
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 One thing is certain, ... I miss the days of a comprehensive "paper" manual for flight Sims. But unless you want to foot the print cost for such, those days are gone. Wonder how much extra it would cost for them to produce this for us to buy. And whether their would be enough interest. Most likely not to answer my own question. Chief
Wuerger Posted February 4, 2015 Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) A serious flightsim is complex and needs a manual. What is more, it underlines the quality of a game. Flight sims which don't need a manul, are arcade games. Look a that, and you'll know what I mean...http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/250300/manuals/F-15C%20DCS%20Flaming%20Cliffs%20Flight%20Manual%20EN.pdf?t=1404412233 Edited February 4, 2015 by Wuerger 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted February 5, 2015 1CGS Posted February 5, 2015 A serious flightsim is complex and needs a manual. What is more, it underlines the quality of a game. Flight sims which don't need a manul, are arcade games. Well, then you'll be glad to know that the BOS manual is being worked on, but it is going to take time.
Guest deleted@1562 Posted March 4, 2015 Posted March 4, 2015 I have those already - I'd like to have the BoS manuals.
Chuck_Owl Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Take it from me, writing manuals takes an ungodly amount of time. Especially if they're "official". Edited March 5, 2015 by 71st_AH_Chuck
JimTM Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 (edited) Thanks for taking on the product manual LukeFF. Your RoF manual was a winner. Thanks too to Chuck for his amazing BoS aircraft guides. FYI, Jupp and I are working on a BoS Mission Editor Guide. Vander and Haashashin have kindly offered to contribute their mission editing expertise to the project. Cheers! Jim Edited March 5, 2015 by JimTM
oneeyeddog Posted March 5, 2015 Posted March 5, 2015 Thanks for taking on the product manual LukeFF. Your RoF manual was a winner. Thanks too to Chuck for his amazing BoS aircraft guides. FYI, Jupp and I are working on a BoS Mission Editor Guide. Vander and Haashashin have kindly offered to contribute their mission editing expertise to the project. Cheers! Jim Sounds good Jim and Good luck you guys with the project.
Mags Posted March 7, 2015 Posted March 7, 2015 (edited) Good luck, guys! We appreciate your hard work. Chuck's manuals are sterling. Edited March 7, 2015 by Mags
senseispcc Posted March 16, 2015 Posted March 16, 2015 They are on the way, waiting for final features of game to be finished first, from another topic, as best as I remember Cheers Dakpilot May be 2 weeks One thing is certain, ... I miss the days of a comprehensive "paper" manual for flight Sims. But unless you want to foot the print cost for such, those days are gone. Wonder how much extra it would cost for them to produce this for us to buy. And whether their would be enough interest. Most likely not to answer my own question. Chief A serious flightsim is complex and needs a manual. What is more, it underlines the quality of a game. Flight sims which don't need a manul, are arcade games. Look a that, and you'll know what I mean...http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/250300/manuals/F-15C%20DCS%20Flaming%20Cliffs%20Flight%20Manual%20EN.pdf?t=1404412233 This is the same post than the one I posted some time ago a the answer was at the time in twoweeks or never and if you are not happy that's it!
AvengerSeawolf Posted March 26, 2015 Posted March 26, 2015 A serious flightsim is complex and needs a manual. What is more, it underlines the quality of a game. Flight sims which don't need a manul, are arcade games. Look a that, and you'll know what I mean...http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/250300/manuals/F-15C%20DCS%20Flaming%20Cliffs%20Flight%20Manual%20EN.pdf?t=1404412233 I agree to that. a manual can help anybody who are already into flight sims and also depending the presentation , people who are new to this kind. I would really like to see in a manual what these so many commands do in the game. , And have at least briefly explained when or why , or why not using them. This saves awfully lot of time, help everyone interested to understand the complexity of such an advanced sim and enjoy more, at will, meaning that he know what he does. I am awaiting forward for a manual about the game.
avlSteve Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Why should we not want an incomplete manual? An online manual for example could be completed step by step. It is a simple horror to buy a detailed sim and not be able to use all functions simply because one has no idea how this or that works or is meant by the programmers. Sim and no manual = NoGo To be honest it really sucks I agree a manual would be nice, and it's in the works. In the mean time, if you are stumped on something, you can almost always get help in this or other forums, and / or Teamspeak, etc. Also, there are Requiem's video tutorials, if you haven't checked them out yet: https://www.youtube.com/user/RequiemBoS/featured So much to learn, and so little time. 1
Wuerger Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) The forum and teamspeak are only little help, as there are lots of questions which even the "experts" could not answer so far. Let alone the time you are forced to spend in reading hundreds of postings. I find it quite arrogant from the devs to totally ignore all this and only try to make new money... Edited March 27, 2015 by Wuerger
1CGS LukeFF Posted March 29, 2015 1CGS Posted March 29, 2015 I find it quite arrogant from the devs to totally ignore all this and only try to make new money... Once again - a manual is being worked on. The team isn't ignoring you.
Wuerger Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 (edited) Well, in this case, LukeFF, I do apologize sincerely for having not realised that your above posting was an official statement of 1C/777. Reading all the different forums as recommended one may get a little confused as in various non-english and squad forums you still get the informaton that the devs do not intend to release an official manual. Maybe it's making sense to give out an official Information in order to cut the discussions still running. Maybe however you did already and I overlooked it. It's not always easy to follow all forum postings especially for those who are no native English speakers. So no offence! Edited March 29, 2015 by Wuerger
M0rdresh Posted March 29, 2015 Posted March 29, 2015 Reading comprehensive manuals is a fundamental part of wargaming and/or simulation gaming. I can only hope it arrives soon, I recently bought BoS and it's a bit strange there's no official manual months after release...
novicebutdeadly Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Reading comprehensive manuals is a fundamental part of wargaming and/or simulation gaming. I can only hope it arrives soon, I recently bought BoS and it's a bit strange there's no official manual months after release... I'm still hoping for a pretty box to put on top of my cupboard
1CGS LukeFF Posted March 31, 2015 1CGS Posted March 31, 2015 Well, in this case, LukeFF, I do apologize sincerely for having not realised that your above posting was an official statement of 1C/777. Reading all the different forums as recommended one may get a little confused as in various non-english and squad forums you still get the informaton that the devs do not intend to release an official manual. Maybe it's making sense to give out an official Information in order to cut the discussions still running. Maybe however you did already and I overlooked it. It's not always easy to follow all forum postings especially for those who are no native English speakers. So no offence! No worries, man I didn't want to put out information about the manual being worked on until Jason was alright with me making a statement about it. As for the manual itself, it's getting close. I am hopeful it will be ready in 4-6 week's time. 2
1CGS LukeFF Posted April 28, 2015 1CGS Posted April 28, 2015 Sure thing! The manual's at the point now where it's mainly down to checking that everything included is accurate and that nothing important has been omitted, so hopefully it won't be much longer til it's released. No timetable, though. 1
Bando Posted April 30, 2015 Posted April 30, 2015 Thanks for your effort Luke. Hope to see the manual pop up sometime in May. The ROF manual was a work of love and if that's any indication for the BOS manual, I'm really looking forward to it.
senseispcc Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 No criticizing but still waiting for something not only for the planes but also the mission builder and no this mission builder is not the same as the ROF one or the COD one, still waiting. And if it is not too much to ask one about skins and the way to make one. But the dev team or the commercials of this games are hopping they (the manuals) shall be made at nearly no cost by the users of the game but do not forget that COD did the same and where did it bring them?!
Wuerger Posted May 16, 2015 Posted May 16, 2015 Any update to the release date of the official manual, Luke? Hope, any single item of the settings will be explained and of course general topics as f. ex. optimal graphics Settings...
1CGS LukeFF Posted May 16, 2015 1CGS Posted May 16, 2015 Any update to the release date of the official manual, Luke? It is still very likely to be released by the end of this month.
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