Options, options, options.

[TaX]

So, i cannot chose:

1.  Video advanced options -CRITICAL- visibility on my monitor is really "WHITE" and sometimes i cannot even see 50m ahead- 
2.  Detailed difficulty and help options (like labels) for the campaign.

So what If i want to fly the -let's say- "advanced" flight model with labels in the campaign ? Honestly cannot see ♥♥♥♥ in this big white world. Use labels = less xp . Too mutch to ask ?

Custom mode -> Any options flagged removes a % of experience. Not that hard.

Don't want to use silly turnarounds like binding all helps to a key to disable them. It's just TOTAL non-sense.

This is PC guys, not the X-Box one. 
I expect at least the same features and options that are in Rise of Flight, a game i love so much and the reason that made me buy this.

777 u're fliying in the wrong direction here, and you will lose some respect doing disservice to the flight simmers.

Do you want this to become a big thing in the flight simulation or a game that will be forget in a year ?
I'm okai with the unlocks, but the options ?

 

Please change your mind ASAP, or i'll be a little angry unhappy customer.

Thanks
 

[Bearcat]

The operative word for sure. Follow the template.

[Yakdriver]

here we go again - someone, coming out of nowhere, threatening to drop diarrhea on the forum if the devs do not do what he wants.

 

Neeeext.

[TaX]

here we go again - someone, coming out of nowhere, threatening to drop diarrhea on the forum if the devs do not do what he wants.

 

Neeeext.

It's not what i want.

It's the minimum that is expected from a flight simulation.

The VERY minimum. Repeat, i don't criticize the gameplay choices and single player progression, unlocks ecc ecc..

But the non-sense behind the lack of options. That's a very, very bad idea.

I did not buy this for console, but for PC. BIG mistake here.

[Yakdriver]

The game has been out for a year.
the Options problems you mention have been known to be that way for Months.
Whoever advised you to buy RoF did not provide you with complete information.

Whoever paid for it had the opportunity to consult the web first-  the problems you mention are a MAJOR thing for all of us.

All you say. Is What hundreds of other people want too.
Thank you for once again repeating it.

 

but saying: change it or i will talk badf about BoS and be mad and angry and scream... with all due respect - that will not change a thing.

it only makes you look... bad...?

I personally have seen enough of the *angry mad customer* that you are right now because the game is not the way you want.

 

so thanks for bringing these points up again, I am sure the persons who make the decisions are by now well- informed of Your, and Our COMMON very specific problems with the choices they made.

two days ago, point number 1) you mention was answered: no, the Graphics options will not change.

concerning point number 2) there is not an answer Yet. not that i recall one.

thank you and have a nice wednesday!

Edited December 3, 2014 by Yakdriver

[Y-29.Silky]

You want a flight sim, yet are complaining that the invironment is too "white". Well, if you lived in a snowly land such as I did my whole life, the snow is almost too bright to look at when the sun is reflecting off of it... Advanced flight models but you want labels, is that such a big deal really? The "very minimum"? You want a "flight sim", but it doesn't cater to easy mode... How about you complete more than 2 missions, then criticize?

"okai" makes it seem like you come straight from War Thunder, btw. Not criticizing, I'm just observing.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Silky

[Finkeren]

A bit silly complaining, that snow is white, but yeah the presets is a very bad design decission and should be changed at some point.

 

Still: hardly good form to drop this as your very first post on the forum.

[TaX]

You want a flight sim, yet are complaining that the invironment is too "white". Well, if you lived in a snowly land such as I did my whole life, the snow is almost too bright to look at when the sun is reflecting off of it... Advanced flight models but you want labels, is that such a big deal really? The "very minimum"? You want a "flight sim", but it doesn't cater to easy mode... How about you complete more than 2 missions, then criticize?

 

"okai" makes it seem like you come straight from War Thunder, btw. Not criticizing, I'm just observing.

I want a flight sim that gives me options like a flight sim.

The realism it's something that can be debated behind a monitor.

A proper flight sim gives you the options to choose how to play and gradually remove all the helps.

That's it. And this is something that doesen't even need to be discussed.

To be honest it's so absurd i couldn't even believe it. 

A bit silly complaining, that snow is white, but yeah the presets is a very bad design decission and should be changed at some point.

 

Still: hardly good form to drop this as your very first post on the forum.

Guys , try to be mature please.

I'm not debating that the snow it's white, but the fact that some filter/light setting prevents me, sometimes, to actually see anything.

I have difficulties even to see the crosshair. 

Playing with the monitor settings seems to not to help either..

Edited December 3, 2014 by TaX

[Yakdriver]

and such it is for each and everyone of us.
Yet we DEAL WITH IT.
or most of us do.

that is Mature right there.
Stalingrad is a white Hell. Welcome to it.
summer maps are in preparation. maybe that helps you.

[Brano]

Welcome to forum TaX,

 

Try to change this item gamma = 1.00000 to gamma = 0.60000 in the file startup.cfg in the folder 1C Game Studios\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\data. 

That should give you darker image with more contrast.

 

 

[=LD=Hethwill]

To be honest I'd remove the Normal difficulty preset and give you the Flight Sim you talk about. No labels. Nothing. Just a briefing and a knee pad map.

 

( note the sarcasm above, I have no idea what you talk about but keep waving flight sim at every label option you want in or out... make up your mind please. )

 

Second I'd reinstate some graphic options - bare minimum is ambient occlusion on/off - given some chips have been reported has having issues with it in many games including BoS, Elite Dangerous, Arma3, etc.

[TaX]

and such it is for each and everyone of us.

Yet we DEAL WITH IT.

or most of us do.

 

that is Mature right there.

Stalingrad is a white Hell. Welcome to it.

summer maps are in preparation. maybe that helps you.

The problem is that u have no options, if not to change ur config file because the developer here refuse to insert the options.

Isn't it pure non sense ? I cannot understand, it's behind my comprension. But if you accept it for me it's ok.

Welcome to forum TaX,

 

Try to change this item gamma = 1.00000 to gamma = 0.60000 in the file startup.cfg in the folder 1C Game Studios\IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\data. 

That should give you darker image with more contrast.

 

 

Thank you buddy.

To be honest I'd remove the Normal difficulty preset and give you the Flight Sim you talk about. No labels. Nothing. Just a briefing and a knee pad map.

 

( note the sarcasm above, I have no idea what you talk about but keep waving flight sim at every label option you want in or out... make up your mind please. )

 

Second I'd reinstate some graphic options - bare minimum is ambient occlusion on/off - given some chips have been reported has having issues with it in many games including BoS, Elite Dangerous, Arma3, etc.

I have absolutely no problem with a knee map with a cross on the objectives, that would be fine. Even monkeys can draw a cross on the attack zone.

But sadly in the game there is not such a map.

This bring us back to the MAIN complain i have.

The problem is that here its all or nothing.

And again, i'm not complaining about the lack of simulation, but the lack of options IN THE SIMULATION. 

Edited December 3, 2014 by TaX

[Yakdriver]

nono, what i mean is we all are in the same situation.

None of us can see a damn thing.

 

you say we should be mature?
We deal with the situation , and that is very very mature.

From my personal Point of View, saying "i will be a mad angry customer..." is not what you want - maturity.
maturity would be coming here and ask for information. But you came here all ready to be mad.
Mad does not get you anywhere.

Mad is immature... isnt it.

 

so if your "want options want options want options" attitude does not work, then i could propose to you to ask for instructions, for tweaks, for stuff like that.

That is mature...

 

Edited December 3, 2014 by Yakdriver

[RedGuard]

The discussion always brings me back to the Silent Hunter series where minute details could be tweaked via the option screen. I don't understand the thinking-process behind this "options locked" decision.

 

I still enjoy flying BoS once in a while, but certainly less than how much the Devs seem to repeatedly love shooting themselves in the foot

 

Red

[TaX]

nono, what i mean is we all are in the same situation.

None of us can see a damn thing.

 

you say we should be mature?

We deal with the situation , and that is very very mature.

 

From my personal Point of Vuiew, saying "i will be a mad angry customer..." is not what you want - maturity.

maturity would be coming here and ask for information. But you came here all ready to be mad.

Mad does not get you anywhere.

Mad is immature... isnt it.

There is nothing to deal with.

There are only the missing options that should be there. 

[Yakdriver]

 

There are only the missing options that should be there.

yes. we agree.

That is the core of your Post.

that is what you are here for.

that is the Message.

i understand, and i agree with you.

so now we get somewhere.
was the rest of your initial post really necessary?

All that "imma gonna be a mad angry customer"
that was not helpful.

you want us to be mature? i want you to cool down, sit down and look for solutions instead of just complaining.
there are competent players here who can help you, provided they get a chance - before you get all Mad and stuff.

 

Stop being mad and angry and threatening, and i am sure you will get the maximum amount of help we can offer.

[FlatSpinMan]

These ideas have come up before.

Personally I agree, but its in the Devs' hands.

[TaX]

 

 

yes. we agree.

That is the core of your Post.

that is what you are here for.

that is the Message.

i understand, and i agree with you.

 

so now we get somewhere.

was the rest of your initial post really necessary?

All that "imma gonna be a mad angry customer"

that was not helpful.

 

you want us to be mature? i want you to cool down, sit down and look for solutions instead of just complaining.

there are competent players here who can help you, provided they get a chance - before you get all Mad and stuff.

 

Stop being mad and angry and threatening, and i am sure you will get the maximum amount of help we can offer.

 

The point here is how mutch game-brakers this injustified omissions are.

At the moment i payed for something i will not enjoy, just because of the non-sensical decision to lock standard features that should be in a standard PC flight simulation; to worsen the situation is the fact that potentially it is a very compelling one.

Yes, i'm angry, because at the moment for me is not enjoyable.

[Yakdriver]

so what do you want us to do for you right now?

[TaX]

so what do you want us to do for you right now?

Another point is that u cannot do anything, nor you have to feel offended or act defensive.

I'm complaining with the devs in the official game forum, and that's what this topic is all about.

Deal with it.

Edited December 3, 2014 by TaX

[Yakdriver]

I thought we had gotten past that.

To sum up...

Your complaints are noted, thank you for posting them.
They are in the big Bucket with the other 15.000 complaints about settings, where i put mine too.

Right now there is nothing to be done.
One of your complaints will not be done the way you want,

the other, we will see in time.

 

Is there anything else you would like to let the devs know?
 

 

 

 

[TaX]

 

 

Is there anything else you would like to let the devs know?

 

Sure !

I'm a little angry unhappy customer.

Oh wait.. maybe i already said that. 

[Bearcat]

here we go again - someone, coming out of nowhere, threatening to drop diarrhea on the forum if the devs do not do what he wants.

 

Neeeext.

Considering that this person has 7 posts and is new here you need to stand down.

[Yakdriver]

actually that was his first.
Ummm...
yep. agree.

[JtD]

...

Thank you for a constructive response!

 

Edit: Also thank you Bearcat!

Edited December 3, 2014 by JtD

[Bearcat]

You are welcome.

[No601_Swallow]

I do think user instructions (are there any? I mean a game manual) are probably due for an overhaul.

 

Alongside the excellent aircraft guides and youtube tutorials available, perhaps we need a couple of "How to" threads about configuring the game and using the different tools and choices available.

 

The options available and the modes of gameplay should be pointed out. What I mean is, the graphic presets (if they stay in the long term) could be detailed - what "Ultra" means, etc.

 

At the same time, the difficulty options could also be detailed. There are quite a few difficulty options for the QMB, single missions/campaigns and the multiiplayer. 

 

It's just the benighted Campaign (with a capital "C")! 

 

Incidently, it's interesting that a new arrival doesn't want to use "normal" mode ("Normal" mode is very customizable, in terms of turning off aids and icons) because he's concerned about XP. Maybe new players like the idea of progressing through XP? Maybe the idea isn't completely crazy...  You never know... 

Edited December 3, 2014 by No601_Swallow

[=LD=Hethwill]

Well TaX, great you synch'ed with many of us in relation to some of the "options".

 

Knee pad is one of them.

 

Regarding the graphics so far I have no complaints as the presets are working for me, only issue is with ambient occlusion ( SSAO ).

 

Regarding the %% for experience, yeah it is a "dull acceptance" of the system at all extents. RoF had this difficulty rating multiplier. Here we have XP multiplier. I for one don't care if the system exists. I play the game whenever I feel like, SP and MP and not getting bothered with the unlock stuff. Doesn't mean I feel it is a just cause, because we all injected funds into the circuit... maybe we didn't read the small letters.

 

All in all your concerns are valid. Sorry if we sounded acid at first but it is hard to read some issues knowing beforehand that they won't be changed. It immediately clicks the grudging mode.

 

S!

[JG1_Pragr]

I had similar experience with the "bright" white all around. I could see planes without any problem but still the game was too bright to my liking. Gamma setting in the game options didn't help and I feel really uncomfortable looking to my screen for any longer time. One day I wanted to see the difference between the game video setting and I switch from "High" to "Ultra". No fps drop, no visual difference with one exception only. The environment is not so shiny. It's actually more comfortable to look at.

 

One notice. Since my screen is too bright at default setting I use the 0.75 gamma reduction as a standard. Still the game was too bright.

[Brano]

Picture would be much sharper if we could disable SSAO/Blur/HDR postprocessing balast.Unfortunately we can not.

[TaX]

 

Incidently, it's interesting that a new arrival doesn't want to use "normal" mode ("Normal" mode is very customizable, in terms of turning off aids and icons) because he's concerned about XP. Maybe new players like the idea of progressing through XP? Maybe the idea isn't completely crazy...  You never know... 

I'm not a new player , concerning flight sims.I played all the old glories and i logged "quite a few" hours on the original IL-2 , on the DCS blackshark immediaty at release and A-10 even before it became DCS world.X-Plane10, MsflightsimX ecc ecc...

I'm not concerned at all about the XP gaining it's fine whatever they want, but i'm concerned about the fact that i want free configuration tools in my hands -not to disable manually the helps- (The idea check the help, remove a % of XP is just to suggest that free full customizable campaign can legitimately coexist with CUSTOM mode and their gaining xp idea). I don't really want the bugging big yellow icons on the maps, but only labels(in this case Badly needed because the environment pretty mutch looks always the same) and an in-flight readable map.

I play DCS full sim guys, i have rudder pedals and Track-ir.

I'm pretty concerned about simulation, BUT,while learning, sometimes we just need TOOLS to not get overly frustrated behind the monitor.

The whole point being- again - , 777 give us the freedom to chose which assists we want to enable in the campaign, remove the %XP that you like at every assist box active or, just add an in-flight map vith marked objectives.

And that's all.

Edited December 3, 2014 by TaX

[Shaun85]

Picture would be much sharper if we could disable SSAO/Blur/HDR postprocessing balast.Unfortunately we can not.

i disable all of thows and bloom in my games its the first thing i doo when i buy a new game

[1PL-Banzai-1Esk]

Picture would be much sharper if we could disable SSAO/Blur/HDR postprocessing balast.Unfortunately we can not.

My sentiments exactly...

[=AVG=Zombie]

In before the lock!

[Sokol1]

> "So what If i want to fly the -let's say- "advanced" flight model with labels in the campaign ?"

 

What difference are in "flight model" between NORMAL and EXPERT? 

[TaX]

> "So what If i want to fly the -let's say- "advanced" flight model with labels in the campaign ?"

 

What difference are in "flight model" between NORMAL and EXPERT? 

Basically you are using engines automation on some stuff like radiators, propeller pitch and mixture. It seems (to me) that the plane is also using automatic trimming and stabilization. (and that is very BAD)

Edited December 3, 2014 by TaX

[Leaf]

[No601_Swallow]

> "So what If i want to fly the -let's say- "advanced" flight model with labels in the campaign ?"

 

What difference are in "flight model" between NORMAL and EXPERT? 

 

As far as I'm aware, there's absolutely no difference in physics or FM between the two modes. 

 

In "Normal" there's a set of, I think, three complex engine management limiters to prevent overheating, over-revving, etc. But these limiters are very very easy to turn off.

 

It should be remembered also that with an airstart, the aircraft spawns in some sort of auto-level mode until it is either turned off or disabled with more or less any control input.

[TaX]

I already wrote it somewere: this seems like they want to commit suicide having a good sim in hands, but not allowing people to have fun with it.

Just pure non-sense.

[SharpeXB]

S!

 

777 soldiers are worst than hitler's SS :lol:

Wow. That's highly inappropriate.