Cybermat47 Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 Hs 123: Reliable. Hs 129: Heavily armed and armoured. Bf 109 E-7/B: Can function as an efficient, if somewhat dated, fighter.
Cybermat47 Posted September 15, 2013 Author Posted September 15, 2013 I chose the Hs123. Sure I love the Emil, but the Hs123 just hasn't gotten that much attention. The Hs129 was in Birds of Steel, so it's had it's moment. But has the 123? Nope.
Cybermat47 Posted September 15, 2013 Author Posted September 15, 2013 I see no-one's voted for the Emil yet ;_;
Allons Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 Hs 129 because the Hs123 had only a very few machines at the ostfront and couldnt be built any more at this time, so was outdated and the Bf 109 has definitely not enough armor for this role..
Jaws2002 Posted September 15, 2013 Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) Hs-129 is so cool and I'd love to see it in game. But let's not forget another axis Jabo that did a lot of work at Stalingrad and Eastern front. IAR-81. Jabo lovers please vote for the IAR-81 in this poll: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/729-poll-what-non-german-fighter-would-you-see-il-2-bos/ Edited September 15, 2013 by Jaws2002
Matt Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Ju 88 for ground attack! I'm a bit surprised that there's not more talk around about the Ju-88 on these forums. I'm not that much into bombing stuff, but the 88 always fascinated me and it was almost as numerous as the other bomber and ground-attack aircraft combined and it was basically used for everything everywhere. It's actually in the top 3 German planes i would like to have added in BoS next (the other being the 110 and Ju52, but the 129 is number 4).
JtD Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 All three are in Il-2, but the only one not flyable there is the Hs 123. I think it would be great fun, just like the Po-2.
ST_ami7b5 Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) Hs-129 is so cool and I'd love to see it in game. But let's not forget another axis Jabo that did a lot of work at Stalingrad and Eastern front. IAR-81. ... Jabo lovers please vote for the IAR-81 in this poll: http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/729-poll-what-non-german-fighter-would-you-see-il-2-bos/ I like IARs (voted also) but I really wonder how those guy landed these planes. Couldn't se anything in front of them.... Edited September 16, 2013 by ami7b5
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 I'm a bit surprised that there's not more talk around about the Ju-88 on these forums. I'm not that much into bombing stuff, but the 88 always fascinated me and it was almost as numerous as the other bomber and ground-attack aircraft combined and it was basically used for everything everywhere. It's actually in the top 3 German planes i would like to have added in BoS next (the other being the 110 and Ju52, but the 129 is number 4). Well there seems to be a tendance towards single engine aircraft only, as the Pe2 and the He 111 which have been mentioned no one has seen yet, and the Ju 88 the all rounder as such just seems to fall under the table. One reason I guess why in the virtual squadrons next to no german bomber squadrons have appeared.
Allons Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Well we used to fly countless Ju-88 sorties at ADW but in CoD bomber squads had a hard time, wonder if any bomber squad survived the timelag between end of IL-2 1946 and now, thus sad IF we will have a sufficiently interesting levelbombing experience here . Might be that the Ju-88 will come in sight when we see more details about levelbombing. Greetz, Allons!
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Well I know of two that have due to CoD more or less disolved, still loose contacts but no more active flying I myself flew with the
Jaws2002 Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 (edited) ami7b5, on 16 Sept 2013 - 12:26, said:ami7b5, on 16 Sept 2013 - 12:26, said:ami7b5, on 16 Sept 2013 - 12:26, said: I like IARs (voted also) but I really wonder how those guy landed these planes. Couldn't se anything in front of them.... This is how they did it....... Edited September 16, 2013 by Jaws2002
Matt Posted September 16, 2013 Posted September 16, 2013 Well there seems to be a tendance towards single engine aircraft only, as the Pe2 and the He 111 which have been mentioned no one has seen yet, and the Ju 88 the all rounder as such just seems to fall under the table. One reason I guess why in the virtual squadrons next to no german bomber squadrons have appeared. It's not that bad. The Pe2 is covered in some screenshots (they also show those shots in the video streams) and the He111 is atleast visible as a ground-object (no close-ups). On the other hand, 109G, 190, Yak, La-5 all haven't been shown yet. So there is some hope. To be honest, i would've preferred the Ju88 to the He111 anyway. The He is just too focussed on level-bombing. In RoF, multi-seaters are actually very popular and there are not that many fighters left for the BoS, so i hope we'll see the Ju88 sooner than later. But i'm not sure if the bombsight feature they use in RoF will make dedicated bomber pilots happy. But i guess i'm derailing this topic too much.
Falco_Peregrinus Posted September 17, 2013 Posted September 17, 2013 I've always had a soft spot for the Hs.123.... such a cool looking plane. And very rarely seen in simulations....
Allons Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 C´mon guys, honestly, what do you want to gain with 4 Sc50 and a pair of MG17 on the ground? Sure, nice plane it is but in the end the amount of groud kills is what counts in the game. 1
LLv44_Mprhead Posted September 18, 2013 Posted September 18, 2013 I'm a bit surprised that there's not more talk around about the Ju-88 on these forums. I'm not that much into bombing stuff, but the 88 always fascinated me and it was almost as numerous as the other bomber and ground-attack aircraft combined and it was basically used for everything everywhere. It's actually in the top 3 German planes i would like to have added in BoS next (the other being the 110 and Ju52, but the 129 is number 4). I think that quite a few people (myself included) assume that Ju-88 and Bf-110 will come in next expansion anyway. If there is a next expansion, that is.
JG1_Pragr Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Ju88 is still a bomber plane. A bit advanced in compare with He111 but still it's bomber plane. There are two other bombers announced for BoS, the He111 and Ju87. What is missing is the counterpart of Il-2. Plane able to fly right over FLOT and strafing ground targets almost "in" contact with their own ground units. That is something He111, Ju88 and not even Ju87 (maybe except G versions) can't do. That's why I agree that if there will any addition in future, it should be focus on such direct support plane (in case of Luftwaffe). But this is my opinion only. Developers intentions may be different (OK, they surely are)
Felix58 Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 After the 110, definitely like to see the JU88
Cybermat47 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) C´mon guys, honestly, what do you want to gain with 4 Sc50 and a pair of MG17 on the ground? Sure, nice plane it is but in the end the amount of groud kills is what counts in the game. Correction. The Hs123 could carry two MG/FF cannons instead of the Mg17s, and could carry four SC70s. Edited September 20, 2013 by Cybermat47
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Ju88 is still a bomber plane. A bit advanced in compare with He111 but still it's bomber plane. There are two other bombers announced for BoS, the He111 and Ju87. What is missing is the counterpart of Il-2. Plane able to fly right over FLOT and strafing ground targets almost "in" contact with their own ground units. That is something He111, Ju88 and not even Ju87 (maybe except G versions) can't do. That's why I agree that if there will any addition in future, it should be focus on such direct support plane (in case of Luftwaffe). But this is my opinion only. Developers intentions may be different (OK, they surely are) That is a matter of definition, as the Ju 88 was also concepted as a heavy fighter, dive bomber and night fighter, as to blasting ground targets I would be very much for this version: Also don´t forget both He 111 and Ju 87 where showing their age by mid war. Most bomber squadrons had changed by that time to the Ju 88. The He111 was then more used for alternative functions. Same goes for the Ju 87, without air supiroirty the Ju 87 was more or less a sitting duck, with exception of Hans Ulrich Rudel at the stick of the Ju 87.
ST_ami7b5 Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Correction. The Hs123 could carry two MG/FF cannons instead of the Mg17s, and could carry four SC70s. Also see: "The greatest tribute to the Hs 123 usefulness came in January 1943 when Generaloberst Wolfram von Richthofen, then commander-in-chief of Luftflotte 4, asked whether production of the Hs 123 could be restarted because the Hs 123 performed well in a theater where mud, snow, rain and ice took a heavy toll on the serviceability of more advanced aircraft. However, the Henschel factory had already dismantled all tools and jigs in 1940.[2]" From Wiki...
Cybermat47 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Posted September 20, 2013 as to blasting ground targets I would be very much for this version: That's a Tag Zerstorer, not a ground attack plane.
JG1_Pragr Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 I wouldn't like to be wrong, but the Ju88 on that picture is armed with four MG17s actually. Still I think, that for the direct support over front line (basically lot of strafing actions in environment full of flak) the Ju88 is too big and too clumsy. For such task even the Hs 123 would be better. But that's my opinion only.
322Sqn_Dusty Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 (edited) Looks a bit shopped.. Voted for the Hs123. a plane rarely seen. Edited September 20, 2013 by 322Sqn_Dusty 1
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 That's a Tag Zerstorer, not a ground attack plane. And what do you think Zerstörer do? Looking up in a book about the KG 51 they used the Ju 88c to go against trains. I am certain, they had an effect other wise why would they have used that model for that kind of mission?
Cybermat47 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Posted September 20, 2013 And what do you think Zerstörer do? Looking up in a book about the KG 51 they used the Ju 88c to go against trains. I am certain, they had an effect other wise why would they have used that model for that kind of mission? A Zerstorer is a heavy day fighter, like the Bf110C. The bomber windows are to lure Soviet fighters into head-on passes, so that the pilot can bring his guns to bear.
III/JG53Frankyboy Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 and the Luftwaffe used its Zerstörer (Bf110 and Ju88C) as groundattack planes at the easternfront. Such a 88C was armed with 3xMG-FF/M and 3xMG17 firing forward. 1
Cybermat47 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Posted September 20, 2013 and the Luftwaffe used its Zerstörer (Bf110 and Ju88C) as groundattack planes at the easternfront. Such a 88C was armed with 3xMG-FF/M and 3xMG17 firing forward. That makes sense... But this thread is only about ground attack aircraft, not Zerstorers that were used as ground attack aircraft. This thread's so derailed, it's like Hs123s attacked it
ImPeRaToR Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 Correction. The Hs123 could carry two MG/FF cannons instead of the Mg17s, and could carry four SC70s. I am pretty sure the Hs123 could carry two MG/FFM instead of the ETC50 or 70: I doubt the FF/M fitted into the fuselage and I doubt even more that they could be syncronised.
Cybermat47 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Posted September 20, 2013 I am pretty sure the Hs123 could carry two MG/FFM instead of the ETC50 or 70: I doubt the FF/M fitted into the fuselage and I doubt even more that they could be syncronised. Excuse me while I check... You're right ImPeRaToR, the MG/FFs were strapped onto the wings. BTW, I like the way you type your name. Reminds me of Proxies... the HORROR!
Foobar Posted September 20, 2013 Posted September 20, 2013 That's a Tag Zerstorer, not a ground attack plane. interesting...
Lord_Haw-Haw Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 A Zerstorer is a heavy day fighter, like the Bf110C. The bomber windows are to lure Soviet fighters into head-on passes, so that the pilot can bring his guns to bear. O.k. thanks for the information so the fellow who flew in KG 51 in a Ju 88c did not know what he was writing about......
III/JG53Frankyboy Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 ...But this thread is only about ground attack aircraft, not Zerstorers that were used as ground attack aircraft............... And you used a Jäger that flew groundattacks in your poll........ btw, has anyone a picture or drawing of a Hs123 with these MG-FF at the wings? 1
ImPeRaToR Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) And you used a Jäger that flew groundattacks in your poll........ btw, has anyone a picture or drawing of a Hs123 with these MG-FF at the wings? unfortunately I have never seen one, I was quite keen on building a model with them but I never found any reference pictures. Would be great though if somebody else has one BTW, I like the way you type your name. Reminds me of Proxies... the HORROR! I started spelling my name that way about 12 years ago when I was still a teenager, I believe it is called camelcase. Looks pretty juvenile I guess but I am sticking with it What are Proxies? Edited September 21, 2013 by ImPeRaToR
Cybermat47 Posted September 21, 2013 Author Posted September 21, 2013 And you used a Jäger that flew groundattacks in your poll........ DO NOT QUESTION ME!
Allons Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 (edited) Correction. The Hs123 could carry two MG/FF cannons instead of the Mg17s, and could carry four SC70s. Recorrection, afaik it carried the MG/FF instead of the bombs, with 2 MG/FF and 2 MG17 there is even less to gain on the ground apart from pure infantry and bicycles.. http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/hs123.html Greetz, Allons! EDIT: Forgot horses, sorry Edited September 21, 2013 by Stab/ZG26-Allons
JtD Posted September 21, 2013 Posted September 21, 2013 unfortunately I have never seen one, I was quite keen on building a model with them but I never found any reference pictures. Would be great though if somebody else has one Me neither, and I have looked for them as well. How certain is it that the version even existed outside of a field mod for one or a few individuals?
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