Anyone tried NVidia DSR in BOS using the new 344.18 drivers?

[SYN_Blackrat]

Chief it shouldn't affect your desktop at all, all it does is gives you a res choice higher than your native monitor res in a game, unless you chose that higher res it has no effect, I have found High settings and 2x DSR with 25% smoothing to look goo son the runway, yet to go flying .

Does DSR work with a GTX 780ti?
I don't see it on Nvidia Ctrl Panel

 

yes but not in surround mode.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

http://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3587/~/how-to-enable-dynamic-super-resolution-in-games]

Edited October 30, 2014 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud

[TG-55Panthercules]

OK - I'm still a little confused.  I had DSR set to 2x and 33% smoothing in my nVidia control panel (for my GTX 980).  I tried going into the nVidia Experience to set something there, but it fails to see anything on my system as a supported game except for the silly Euro Truck 2 thing I picked up on sale a while back.  So, there seems to be no way to set anything about DSR for BoS or RoF or anything else I have.  So, does that mean I might as well just turn it off in the control panel and forget it until support for it is added in some of these other games?

[SYN_Blackrat]

OK - I'm still a little confused.  I had DSR set to 2x and 33% smoothing in my nVidia control panel (for my GTX 980).  I tried going into the nVidia Experience to set something there, but it fails to see anything on my system as a supported game except for the silly Euro Truck 2 thing I picked up on sale a while back.  So, there seems to be no way to set anything about DSR for BoS or RoF or anything else I have.  So, does that mean I might as well just turn it off in the control panel and forget it until support for it is added in some of these other games?

 

You can safely not bother with Geforce experience by making any adjustments in the Nvidia CP in Manage 3D settings, I would go so far as to say the only need to install Geforce Experience is if you use Shadowplay.

 

DSR is a global setting in Manage 3D settings, it affects nothing if you set it there, what it does do is give you a res higher than your native resolution to select in whatever game you wish to use the feature. Start the BOS launcher and change the screen resolution to the one higher than your native res.

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Yep, enable it in controll panel and go into your game. Set resolution up to the max value and voila, you made it work. There's no need to play with GeForce expirience at all.

 

Could make it work but unfortunately it strikes my GTX660 down totally in terms of FPS. I'll probably use it for older games though.

[DD_Arthur]

 

Could make it work but unfortunately it strikes my GTX660 down totally in terms of FPS. I'll probably use it for older games though.

 

Yes, I found this too.  Gone back to native res, SweetFX and 60fps again. 

[Hopper64]

Is the geforce experience application necessary to enable the feature? I noticed it in global settings but not in the game profiles in the CP.

[Dakpilot]

Is the geforce experience application necessary to enable the feature? I noticed it in global settings but not in the game profiles in the CP.

 

No, just set in Global settings then the higher resolution will be available in whichever program settings that you want to use it in

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[FZG_Merlin]

where is this option situated ?

Ok.. found it in global settings

[TG-55Panthercules]

OK - one more question.  I turned DSR off, and looked in the BoS launcher and saw that the max resolution available was 1920x1200 (my native).  Then I went in and turned on DSR at 1.2x, and went back into the BoS launcher and saw that the max available resolution was now  2103x1314.  I did the math and that equates to about 1.09x rather than 1.2x.

 

I tried it again with DSR set to 1.5, and the BoS settings changed to make 2351x1470 available.  Again, doing the math, that equates to about 1.22x, rather than 1.5x.

 

So, what accounts for this differential between what the driver says should be happening and what BoS says is happening?  And is that a problem or does it matter, or is it just a matter of trial end error and seeing if anything makes a difference that looks better?

 

[EDIT] - Well, that was interesting - I went in and set DSR to 2x, and selected the new/highest resolution in the BoS launcher, and started the game.  The screen spilled over the edges with menu items off-screen, and I had to shut it down.  

 

So, based on this testing, BoS looks better without DSR 

 

[EDIT again]  Had a hunch and went back into the BoS launcher and re-ticked the "full screen" setting (I had unticked it in response to a post by the devs about the recent CTD bugs) - with the "full screen" box checked, BoS displayed the screen properly instead of spilling over the edges as it did above.  Now, have to fly some missions to see if I can tell any visual differences.

Edited October 31, 2014 by TG-55Panthercules

[TG-55Panthercules]

Hmm - I went in and "flew" a campaign mission in a Stuka (with autopilot) to test the DSR settings - looked like crap with some weird creases in the sky:

 

 

 

I've never seen this sort of sky effect in BoS before, so I assume it's being caused by the DSR.  However, the autopilot flew me into the ground during one of the attack runs and blew away whatever EXP I would have earned for that half hour of watching things, so it'll be a little while before I try another mission without DSR to confirm that the weird effects have gone away.

Edited October 31, 2014 by TG-55Panthercules

[TG-55Panthercules]

OK - this is weird.  Went back in with DSR off, and the sky looks fine/normal.

 

BUT, despite having gotten zero EXP for the last test mission and making no changes to the settings for the next test mission, in this test mission my Stuka is wearing a new white skin instead of the green one from before:

 

 

So, apparently turning on DSR doesn't improve BoS graphics but turning it on and off does unlock things - woohoo 

Edited October 31, 2014 by TG-55Panthercules

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

You can safely not bother with Geforce experience by making any adjustments in the Nvidia CP in Manage 3D settings, I would go so far as to say the only need to install Geforce Experience is if you use Shadowplay.

 

DSR is a global setting in Manage 3D settings, it affects nothing if you set it there, what it does do is give you a res higher than your native resolution to select in whatever game you wish to use the feature. Start the BOS launcher and change the screen resolution to the one higher than your native res.

 

Found my error ..... I had 1.2x and 4.0x both ticked in the NVIDIA control panel. When I clicked only one then the NEW resolution showed up in the BoS launcher.

 

Chief

Edited October 31, 2014 by -NW-ChiefRedCloud

[SYN_Blackrat]

Yes Chief, in the NVCP select the options you would like to appear in your game, can be more than one. then when you launch a game the resolution will appear.

Edited October 31, 2014 by SYN_Blackrat

[Hopper64]

No, just set in Global settings then the higher resolution will be available in whichever program settings that you want to use it in

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Thanks Dakpilot.

[TG-55Panthercules]

Well, the next time in I was back to the old green skin, so the DSR unlock effect was only temporary 

 

Also, on one of my subsequent missions with DSR off I saw that weird sky effect again:

 

 

I just realized that I changed my graphics settings in game to the "balanced" preset earlier today to try to compare, so I guess I better go back and bump it up again to see if that gets rid of this sky craziness.

[=LD=dhyran]

i run DSR *2.25 smooth 15% on final 1980 * 1080, at ultra setting

 

its super sharp and get a steady 60fps on my GTX 780 Ti

[TG-55Panthercules]

After trying all the presets and realizing that this weird "creases in the sky" effect isn't related to either the presets or DSR, and playing around a lot with the terrain.ini tweaks being posted about in another thread ( http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12501-you-also-think-bos-beautiful-how-about-making-it-absolutly-g/  ), I decided to try DSR again.  Running the stock terrain,ini file and DSR at 2x, things are looking very good in my test missions.  Gonna leave it like this and run a few more test missions under varying weather/lighting conditions to be sure, but very encouraging so far.

[John_Banks]

While using DSR, can we deaktivate AA instead?

[TG-55Panthercules]

Well, hmmm - I had a bunch of CTDs today for some reason (6 or 7 missions in a row).  Not sure if they were related to DSR (which was working fine yesterday) and/or the fact that full screen was checked in BoS (which I had to do to make DSR work right), but as soon as I disabled DSR and unticked full screen in BoS launcher (setting it in nVidia Control Panel instead), I finally got through a mission without a CTD.

 

Not sure if that means anything related to DSR or not.  But I was going to have to turn it off anyway, as I didn't like the way it worked in RoF/PWCG and I couldn't find a way in the nVidia Control Panel to set DSR on a program-specific basis - only seemed to be available in the global settings for some reason.

[Dakpilot]

 

 

Not sure if that means anything related to DSR or not.  But I was going to have to turn it off anyway, as I didn't like the way it worked in RoF/PWCG and I couldn't find a way in the nVidia Control Panel to set DSR on a program-specific basis - only seemed to be available in the global settings for some reason.

 

Although it is turned on in Global settings it is only activated in individual programs by selecting the "enhanced" resolution in game settings, which is enabled under global, by my understanding you could have several different DSR resolutions checked and use each on a different program. DSR just enables these downsampled higher resolutions to be seen by various programs/games and made available as an option to set above your native screen resolution

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[e345spd]

While using DSR, can we deaktivate AA instead?

 

 

Super Sampling is a brute-force Anti-Aliasing method.

 

Something along the lines of 2x-4X SS (4x being a similar theoretical pixel fill to ~8MP, UHD/4k, though not at all comparable to true 4k rendering) plus FXAA is pretty much the only time I would enabled anything on top of a super-sampling technique. However, if you are achieving playable framerates and increased rendering quality, use it. That said, unless the engine's AA implementation is broken/insufficient, SS (no matter how 'dynamic') is going to be an inefficient solution for dealing with aliasing on a 1080p monitor.

Edited November 6, 2014 by e345spd

[SharpeXB]

I noticed this testing DSR

Turning off the in-game AA killed the frame rate, dropped it below 20

Turning AA on to 2x or 4x actually increased the frame rate with DSR enabled.

I'm running a 4GB GTX 980 and with DSR set at 2.0 I get a good 60fps on Ultra. Looks very nice.

Setting DSR to 4.0 results in a drop to about 38fps.

I'm getting a second 980 soon so I'll test SLI then

While using DSR, can we deaktivate AA instead?

I tried that, turning off the AA actually killed the frame rate. I got a higher fps with AA on

[SharpeXB]

I ran a test with Fraps

Running Ultra and 4XAA

using a quick mission over Stalingrad I get Min 41 Max 87 and Avg 63 fps

with DSR set on 2.0 and 15% smoothing on a 1080x1920 display

it makes the game look very nice, I don't see the fuzziness or flickering around the planes when they are in front of clouds either.

the perception of distant objects on the ground is much better as well

[JZG_Viking]

OK - one more question.  I turned DSR off, and looked in the BoS launcher and saw that the max resolution available was 1920x1200 (my native).  Then I went in and turned on DSR at 1.2x, and went back into the BoS launcher and saw that the max available resolution was now  2103x1314.  I did the math and that equates to about 1.09x rather than 1.2x.

 

I tried it again with DSR set to 1.5, and the BoS settings changed to make 2351x1470 available.  Again, doing the math, that equates to about 1.22x, rather than 1.5x.

 

 

 

It's 1.2 times the amount of pixels, so it's the square root of 1.2 = 1.0954 times your resolution. The numbers are correct :D

[TG-55Panthercules]

It's 1.2 times the amount of pixels, so it's the square root of 1.2 = 1.0954 times your resolution. The numbers are correct :D

 

Aha - thanks for the explanation.  

 

Now that they seem to have fixed a lot of the stability/CTD issues (maybe all - I haven't had any problems for the last 3 days now), I decided to run some more tests with DSR.

 

With DSR set to 2x, I saw about a 20% drop in FPS (at least that much, could have been more - it was pegged at 60 before as that's my max on my monitor, and it dropped to around 45-50 during much of my test mission).  I also noticed that my GPU temps went up a few degrees (from about 78 to about 84), and my GPU usage also went up a bit and stayed pretty much maxed out at 99% much of the time.  So it's obviously putting some additional stress and load on my vid card.

 

It did look good, and seemed to get rid of the shimmering around the planes as they were in front of the clouds (as best I could tell - I didn't see any of it, but I only saw it sometimes before and I'm not sure exactly how to replicate those conditions).

 

I may try at some lower DSR setting to see if I can get the improved visual quality with less performance hit.

[Stemar]

Hi All,

 

 

I hope that the thread is not abandoned!

 

Last night I did some tests and I got the following results on the following rig:

I5@2500K (turbo bust on)

2XGTX770 4GB (SLI mode, new sli profile for BoS created under 3D settings – program settings), latest nv drivers 344.65 installed

8GB of RAM

Native screen res: 2560X1440

 

With:

DSR set to x2

Smoothing to 11

AA ingame x4

Vsync on

Fps limiter OFF

 

Online dogfight map with icons and about 20 contacts min fps 45, the motion is very smooth except the terrain itself at very low flight (on the deck) some micro stutters!

 

Quality of the picture is amazing! At 1000m and above when you take a look on the ground it’s almost like a photo quality!

Cockpit – my opinion (I might be wrong), but the textures size are reduced due to optimization and to certain POV total feeling of  “cartoon” view exist!

 

With DSR 2.5 and above no success – at the startup of the mission (no mater online or offline) I got black screen (map and icons can be called on and that’s all)!

Trying to lower quality settings to low even – no changes!

 

Currently running thru HDMI cable!

Display Port cable – is it whort to try it?

Edited November 12, 2014 by Stemar

[SharpeXB]

It might be worthwhile for anyone trying this or 4K to upgrade their HDMI cable. 2.0 is necessary to handle 4K 60hz. My cable was from and old XBox 360 so I replaced it.

[TG-55Panthercules]

In my further tests I realized that I was still getting the cloud-induced shimmering on planes with DSR as I was without it - guess I just hadn't looked under the right conditions in my previous testing.

[Zettman]

With DSR 2.5 and above no success – at the startup of the mission (no mater online or offline) I got black screen (map and icons can be called on and that’s all)!

Trying to lower quality settings to low even – no changes!

 

Currently running thru HDMI cable!

Display Port cable – is it whort to try it?

 

S!

 

I got the same problem with my LG 34 UM95-P (native 3440x1440). With 1.2 DSR (3768x1577) everything works fine, with 1.5 DSR (4213x1764) only maps and menu work. II'm not sure if it is a cable problem. I'm already using Displayport 1.2, HDMI would give me only 30Hz on native resolution. I thought that Displayport 1.2 should have no problem with 4K-ish resolutions at 60Hz, so I'm not sure if the cable really hit the limited or if it is a problem with the game itself, will test it later with BF4 and Arma 3.

 

About your question. If your graphicscard and monitor have both a Displayport, than it is worth it. Displayport 1.2 is still better than HDMI 2.0. So you may see an improvement.

 

 

Wikipedia:

 

"DisplayPort 1.2 has more bandwidth at 21.6 Gbit/s^[52] (17.28 Gbit/s with overhead removed) as opposed to HDMI 2.0's 18 Gbit/s^[53] (14.4 Gbit/s with overhead removed)..."

 

And before the question comes about Displayport 1.2 cables...

 

 

 

FAQ - Displayport:   Q: Where can I buy a DP 1.2 cable? Most of the cables are certified to DP 1.1a.

A: The DisplayPort version 1.2 standard was designed to utilize the Standard Display cable. We did this intentionally to avoid customer confusion. A DisplayPort cable is a DisplayPort cable; EXCEPT if it a “reduced bit rate” (or RBR) cable, which is typically a 15m cable designed for projector applications, and they only support up to 1080P; OR if it is an active cable, which will not support the new HBR2 rate introduced in the DP 1.2 standard.

 

So you should be fine with an 10€ to 15€ Displayport cable.

 

Zettman

[Zettman]

 

I thought that Displayport 1.2 should have no problem with 4K-ish resolutions at 60Hz, so I'm not sure if the cable really hit the limited or if it is a problem with the game itself, will test it later with BF4 and Arma 3.

 

 

when will we get the option to edit or post longer than just a few minutes after with posted them...

 

S!

 

Seems to be a problem with BoS itself, BF4 had no problems running on DSR 1.5 (4213x1764) and 60Hz.

 

Zettman

[Stemar]

So i did try with DP!

Cant say that on 2560x1440 i see any big diffrence (comparing to HDMI) with stock settings!

But the main problem to run with DSR x2,5 and high when, the native screen resolution is 1440p, still remaind - at the moment is not possible!

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

I'll go for the gusto with the 980. My 680 still runs good though, but time for a new card.

 

Jason

 

And how much do you want for your 680? Just curious ...

 

Chief

[SharpeXB]

It might be worthwhile for anyone trying this or 4K to upgrade their HDMI cable. 2.0 is necessary to handle 4K 60hz. My cable was from and old XBox 360 so I replaced it.

I'm probably wrong here about the cables. DSR must do the down sampling before sending the signal as 1080p to your monitor (or whatever the native res is) otherwise your monitor wouldn't accept the signal. So you don't need high speed cable like for transmitting real 4K/60 video.