Discussion about DCS:WW2 goes here.

[Jason_Williams]

Guys,

 

You can discuss DCS:WW2 here if you wish, but please keep it civil or I'll lock it down again.

 

Jason

[=LD=Hethwill]

Thank you. Quite interested on the idea given jets and chopper gunships are not my deal.

 

Do we have any details on this or is all "street talk" ?

[Rjel]

It sounds like an interesting project. The subject matter is obviously interesting to me. Whether I would be interested in helping pre-fund the project would have to wait for more details.

[Revvin]

Despite feeling a little hoodwinked over the mess that was CloD I might donate to a Kickstarter once details have been released, I'd have been happy to have done the same for 777 to do a WW2 sim before they announced this partnership with 1C just because I love flight sims. I suppose at least they have a tried and tested engine to work with and can concentrate on making the content. Good luck to 777 and RRG, its great to have this kind of choice again with WWI, WWII and modern jets covered so well, its like stepping back in time to he 90's, at this rate I'll be firing up comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.flight-sim for Papdoc's pink flamingo bar and grill

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

It all sounds very ambitious to get it all done in a year, good luck to them.

I dont see the DCS as direct competition to BOS, being late war and DCS aircraft it will appeal to a slightly different crowd i think.

Anyway more the merrier, next year should be a whopper for WW2 flight sims.

[BFsSmurfy]

How does this Kickstarter thing work, first I heard of it was yesterday, and if it`s a good idea could it be applied to BoS (if that`s a daft statement it`s because I have zilch idea what Kickstarter is!!!!)

[Jason_Williams]

Smurfy,

 

It's a crowd-sourcing tool to raise money for projects before they are produced. Some projects get huge funding and some crash and burn. It's the latest trend in financing projects other investors don't want to touch. 

 

Jason

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

It's the latest trend in financing projects other investors don't want to touch. 

 

or gives the opportunities to the fans of such projects to be part of the investment process, its more like an expanded pre-order, many times companies offer bonues depending on pledge amount... its all in your point of view....

[Pizzicato]

I'm excited for both BoS and DCS:WWII. I've already bought the Premium pre-order for BoS and I'll very likely put ~$100 into DCS:WWII once I've seen what's on offer.

 

The flight sim genre is currently very niche and very fragile, so I'll happily support any product that seems like it has merit. A healthy Eagle Dynamics and a healthy 777 is a good thing. Anyone with any sense should be seeing this as great news for our hobby, not a opportunity to become partisan, abusive and defensive.

 

Best of luck to both projects.

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

Well said...

 

I'm excited for both BoS and DCS:WWII. I've already bought the Premium pre-order for BoS and I'll very likely put ~$100 into DCS:WWII once I've seen what's on offer.

 

The flight sim genre is currently very niche and very fragile, so I'll happily support any product that seems like it has merit. A healthy Eagle Dynamics and a healthy 777 is a good thing. Anyone with any sense should be seeing this as great news for our hobby, not a opportunity to become partisan, abusive and defensive.

 

Best of luck to both projects.

[Tektolnes]

or gives the opportunities to the fans of such projects to be part of the investment process, its more like an expanded pre-order, many times companies offer bonues depending on pledge amount... its all in your point of view....

 

And also gives developers the opportunity to produce something without being beholden to investors who (fairly enough) are only thinking about ROI.

 

I've pre-ordered BOS premium and will definitely be backing DCS as well. ED have high quality control standards so I'm hopeful this will all go well. The P51 is fantastic so if the new planes are close to that level it'll be a lot of fun.

[Bearcat]

It sounds like an interesting project. The subject matter is obviously

 

interesting to me. Whether I would be interested in helping pre-fund the project would have to wait for more details.

  

 

My take as well... and all things considered I'd need to see a lot more details.

 

Smurfy,

 

It's a crowd-sourcing tool to raise money for projects before they are produced. Some projects get huge funding and some crash and burn. It's the latest trend in financing projects other investors don't want to touch. 

 

Jason

That is the thing that gives me concern. It seems to me that with the kickstarter bit it is almost like gambling because there is no guarantee that you will get a final product. At least with BoS the likelihood of getting what I am paying for is extremely high... In the case of this product we don't even know where they are. I will wait to find out more before I even consider committing any dollars.

[Feathered_IV]

Sounds like a very ambitious project. Reading the release thread at DCS there seems to be a lot of things they haven't worked out regarding standalone status and purchasing of modules. They would need to get that sorted immediately if they are to pull this off in the less than 12 months that was mentioned.

[=LD=Hethwill]

Kickstarted some projects that never took off. It is a fine platform mind you but totally abused nowadays, but we'll see.

 

Good sims are never competition in the terms - "oh look we have more players" - more like they will compete on the technological level and options offered and yet what stops anyone to play both ?   ( especially if they manage to do a proper remake of "B-17 Flying Fortress" inside the DCS engine.

[71st_AH_Hooves]

I like DCS: P-51 but am often frustrated that flying it, is harder than fighting in it.  Several times locking up the engine for lack of airflow and over heating.  Ive only a few times tried fighting online but it was against other P-51's at the time.  

 

  Im glad that someone is attempting a study sim as I try to enjoy all types of airplane games.  Though I tend to gravitate to ones that provide the biggest thrill vs frustration.  

 

My only worry for DCS is the lack of a dedi server,  which has limited its MP numbers severely.  But perhaps they are working on this as well?  Ill be keeping an eye on this for future developments. 

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Pretty sure its because we are all fans of WWII and games.  No harm in discussing civilly.  THough if one is a fan-boi of EITHER sim, this may not be a thread that will interest them

[Pizzicato]

Ofcourse Luthier and OIleg the liars of the century !

And the new proyect ..Booby traps .

If you have nothing valuable to contribute, please go elsewhere. All you're going to accomplish here is getting the thread locked.

 

This is the "Free Subject" thread, so discussing DCS: WWII is perfectly reasonable if it's done respectfully.

[Cybermat47]

Any new sim is a good one.

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

I like DCS: P-51 but am often frustrated that flying it, is harder than fighting in it.  Several times locking up the engine for lack of airflow and over heating.  Ive only a few times tried fighting online but it was against other P-51's at the time.  

 

  Im glad that someone is attempting a study sim as I try to enjoy all types of airplane games.  Though I tend to gravitate to ones that provide the biggest thrill vs frustration.  

 

My only worry for DCS is the lack of a dedi server,  which has limited its MP numbers severely.  But perhaps they are working on this as well?  Ill be keeping an eye on this for future developments. 

Dedi server is in development.

[Jason_Williams]

Don't get personal guys.

 

Jason

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Dedi server is in development.

Cool, I remember them talking about it and saying that, but it was two years ago and it kinda dropped off the radar so to speak.  Im pretty sure that without Dedi servers, the MP portion that so many want is dead in the water.  I doubt this escapes them.  But, thats what we thought 2 years ago as well.  Only time will tell.

[Pizzicato]

Pizzicato apologies

But I can´t ignore the facts . 

 

So appreciating that we're on dangerous ground, can you or anyone else calmly and politely explain why Oleg and Luthier are deserving of such hatred? I'm genuinely interested, but don't want this to degenerate into something... ugly.

 

I totally understand people's frustrations with the state that Cliffs of Dover was released in. It was clearly a very poorly managed project whose scope was far beyond its available time and resources, but I don't know that anyone outside of Maddox Games, 1C and Ubisoft really know what went down. However, Team Fusion's work has proved that the final game wasn't actually too far from greatness. As a hardcore/offline flight simmer, I feel as though the current modded version is very, very good. (I have no visibility on the state of its multiplayer). Regardless, it's not as though there was any attempt to rip people off. I get the sense that they just ran out of time and were forced to release the game before it was ready. Again, I totally understand people's frustration around this and also get why it has led to many people being very skeptical about the new project, but I'm strongly of the opinion that the game's problems were a function of poor management as opposed to malicious intent. 

 

Pacific Fighters is a different issue in the sense that I have no understanding of why people were unhappy with its initial release. Was it just because it was standalone? I bought it Day One and don't remember it being in particularly bad shape.

 

I'm happy for Jason or any of the mods to delete this if they feel that it's potentially too inflammatory, but I'm genuinely interested to find out a little more. In the meantime, please, please please try to keep any responses civil and respectful. Let's try to prove that we can communicate like adults.

 

 

Edited September 3, 2013 by Pizzicato

[Bearcat]

Mustang check your PMs please..

 

This thread is for discussing DCSWWII ... if you cannot do that without slander and name calling then by all means do not participate in this thread..

 

 

 

In the meantime, please, please please try to keep any responses civil and respectful. Let's try to prove that we can communicate like adults.

 

I couldn't have said it better.

[[DCS]Unforgiven]

Cool, I remember them talking about it and saying that, but it was two years ago and it kinda dropped off the radar so to speak.  Im pretty sure that without Dedi servers, the MP portion that so many want is dead in the water.  I doubt this escapes them.  But, thats what we thought 2 years ago as well.  Only time will tell.

Its tied heavily into the new IG/EDGE, so I think its waiting on that, least the little I know about it.

[JG27_Chivas]

There will be more info and videos this Thursday.

 

Apparently it will be a large Normandy map, that will incorporate the existing P51 and FW190, plus other aircraft including a flyable 109 and AI B17.  No word if the Normandy will include parts of southern England.   I would imagine it would include parts of England, unless its after D-day and there are Allied bases in France.

 

I'm not a fan of the DCS terrain, and no idea how good the new DCS EDGE graphic engine will be.  If they release the Nevada map, it will give us a sense of its capabilities.

 

They  plan the release in a year, and maybe longer if the kickstarter monies allows further features.  Apparently they have enough monies for the basic sim already.  I don't think the year time table is out of wack, since they don't have to build a game engine, and can concentrate on the map, aircraft, missions/campaign.

 

I see the DCS multiplayer allows individual servers, and Lan play, not sure about dedicated servers.  I don't mind either way, as there are always people providing very good low latency servers eg.  Warclouds, ATAG, etc 

 

I've been doing a lot of paying without seeing a product lately, and know doubt will also donate to this kickstarter initiative as well.   Combat flight sims are the only product I'm interested in, and the software is really cheap anyway.

Edited September 3, 2013 by Chivas

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Kickstarters can garnish HUGE funding, if the genre is right.You only have to look at Star Citizen for that, nearly $18 million raised, over half a mill in the last two days!

The  money is out there for the right project for sure.

Personally, I think its exciting times ahead for flight simmers.

Edited September 3, 2013 by JG4_Uther

[ST_ami7b5]

This time I'll wait to see something like BoS live streams...

[MACADEMIC]

Guys,

 

You can discuss DCS:WW2 here if you wish, but please keep it civil or I'll lock it down again.

 

Jason

 

Good call.

 

MAC

[Pupo]

i'll give DCS WW2 the same treatment i gave BOS.

 

 i will wait until real images and in-game footage start rolling to put my money in, if i find it worth it.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

The only competition i see coming from DCS is if they can have a system that can run online coop wars for squadrons up and running before BOS.

If BOS can get that nailed down and maybe another theatre with more maybe popular aircraft then i wouldn't be worried.

[SOLIDKREATE]

DCS is usually a one aicraft simulator. So, I don't see it becoming what this game will become. I mean they would have to relase almost 50 titles just for the BoS alone.

[Zmaj76]

I think that having a competition is a good thing as it drives all sides faster and after all its good for customers...anyways, most of us will buy both titles and all this hush hush and fake animosities between two customers bases will wanish....

 

after all...who will make a better product, who will fix things and who will listen the customers (MP guys too as they are usually most dedicated...dont count only money!) will have more fans and more years to develop with pleasure...

 

knocked out

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Agreed, if its good enough im sure i will buy and play any sim that holds my interest.

Im not a great fan of late war stuff, but flying a mossie would be right up my alley, as would ground pounding in a p47.

 

Next year should be fun.

[Trooper117]

Having direct competition is good... it should drive the competing companies to produce better products and introduce more innovation in our games, that makes it good for us, the consumer.

I'll certainly be buying DCS WWII, there aren't that many new WWII simulation games around after all, and in particular, there are a great many of us who love the WWII european scene, and 

that is something that should make competitors think about how they can stay on top of sales etc.

Either way, healthy competition is good for the genre. For instance, I own RoF and OFF, and eagerly await the arrival of WoFF. It's not about having to choose to support one or the other. By having all of them, I am helping keep the genre alive.

[ST_ami7b5]

Sry for OT: any news on WoFF release, Trooper?

I have bought everything in RoF so far...

[Trooper117]

Sry for OT: any news on WoFF release, Trooper?

I have bought everything in RoF so far...

 

Some great new pics on SimHQ in the WoFF threads, so it is still ongoing.. no dates yet, but it is looking very good.

[ST_ami7b5]

Thanks!

[JG4_Sputnik]

This certainly is good news for our genre! If the kickstarter video is just slightly convincing ill be backing DCS WWII whitout a doubt.

If they are smart they are going to mention the Oculus Rift as well in their video since kickstarter games with an Oculus-touch had been doing very well lately...

Good times ahead for us simers, almost feels like mid 90ies again

[dburne]

 

Pacific Fighters is a different issue in the sense that I have no understanding of why people were unhappy with its initial release. Was it just because it was standalone? I bought it Day One and don't remember it being in particularly bad shape.

 

 

I am with you there! Also Pacific Fighters while could be installed standalone if one chose, it could also be installed merged with IL2 FB/AEP.

I did a merged install, and had quite a bit of fun with PF. I was absolutely blown away by the water running in OpenGL, it was amazing for it's time. I certainly would look forward to a sim being developed by the same guy that did PF.  Maybe I was not as aware of any issues with it as other serious simmers, all I remember is having some great missions with it.

 

I think many are leery of Luthier due to the CloD issues, now I was kind of a late comer to CLoD because of all the issues I read about online, but it seemed to me by what all I read, Luthier was left with quite a mess to try and clean up. And he appeared to be on the way to doing so best I can recall, till suddenly and abruptly they released a patch that was not expected that soon, and everyone was like - what is going on - then in a matter of just a couple days or so, the announcement for BOS came out.

 

As far as DCS: WWII , I am very excited to see them hopefully get into the WWII sim business. DCS has some pretty high standards, and no doubt would not let anything release that did not meet those same standards. I have DCS World , and own all the modules, namely to support their efforts in the combat sim genre. No way would I have time to learn all of them at this time, let alone fly them regularly. And I will probably put in some bucks when the kickstarter begins, to show my support for it as well. I have never done that before, this will be a first.

 

No doubt gang - very exciting times for us combat flight simmers. It would appear we have some a lot to be excited about ahead,  beginning with BOS - and in an era of declining PC sales which we have never seen before, that is a very good thing! Even Microsoft just announced their plans to buy Nokia, and move more into the " devices" business.

Seeing some of the writing on the wall, I applaud anyone's efforts at this time to develop these sims for us.

[JG27_Chivas]

DCS is usually a one aicraft simulator. So, I don't see it becoming what this game will become. I mean they would have to relase almost 50 titles just for the BoS alone.

 

DCS WW2 isn't a one aircraft simulator.  It will have a number of aircraft in the free demo.   The future of BOS and DCS WW2depends on sales/quality.  If both sims sell, both sims will have be a number of different theaters.   They will be in direct competition.  I hope both do well, and I will probably support both, atleast initially.   I prefer the speed and fire power of late war aircraft, but also like to see a series start with early war theaters.    Its all good.