TX-Zigrat Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) I appreciate Jason making a poll for the unlock topic so we can see where the community really stands. I am interested to find out how people feel about graphic options as well to help the devs make sure they understand the preferences of their customers. Edited October 18, 2014 by TX-Zigrat 3
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 There's really no decent excuse to not have customizable visual settings, at all. 1
Reflected Posted October 21, 2014 Posted October 21, 2014 There's really no decent excuse to not have customizable visual settings, at all. If you look at it as a beta test, it's much easier for them to handle bug reports without having to check dozens of user settings of the player. Now it's just "I get a crash if I do this, I run it on High. period". However, when the game is released I would also like to have full control. That being said, perhaps they could keep the presets, and we could optionally mess with advanced settings. 3
Y-29.Silky Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) I'm skeptical about custom graphics because for an example look at War Thunder... people manipulate the graphics so they can see through the clouds, etc, etc. Edited October 23, 2014 by Silky 2
BFsSmurfy Posted October 23, 2014 Posted October 23, 2014 Ah but as we know Polls count for sweet FA.
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 I'm skeptical about custom graphics because for an example look at War Thunder... people manipulate the graphics so they can see through the clouds, etc, etc. War Thunder is developed by incompetent individuals. You can force features such as clouds on. There's still no real excuse why there can't be customizable settings in a finished game, full stop. 4
Dte_Reprobator Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 and i don't remind thos option where a problem in rof... 3 preset... well we're not playing on console, we're playing on pc.
ST_ami7b5 Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 and i don't remind thos option where a problem in rof... 3 preset... well we're not playing on console, we're playing on pc. Well, maybe not yet
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 S! Options please. They had it enabled in BoS before. 1
Sephyrius Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Coupling this with the lack of multi-monitor support frankly makes it look like the team is completely inept in the graphics department and is just out to make it as easy for themselves as possible. Bleh. 2
Zig_FR Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 There's really no decent excuse to not have customizable visual settings, at all. agree
NobbyNobbs Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Salute from Soviet Russia! Today one of our pilots () find the way to use custom settings for graphics. For that download this archive and extract files to ../IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\data directory. After that drag and drop file Scripts.cfg on unGTP.exe, wait few seconds and go to new folder ../IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\data\(null)\luascripts Open gpresets.cfg with notepad.exe and change options (i hope you know how). Save changes and copy this file to ../IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad\data\LuaScripts Enjoy... Excuse my english, please. Oh... I'm forgot. Probably tomorrow devs close this backdoor :-( They said so. 8
Brano Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 (edited) My game looks again clear and crisp on ultra without those hdrbloomssao as it was last year in november!Spasiba comrade,only if it will last till tomorrow,I will remember this one bright day (ehm night) for the time being And there is no shimmering against clouds! Edited October 27, 2014 by Brano
Matt Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 This works since the introduction of the presets. Wouldn't surprise me one bit that they plan to restrict this too, instead of just adding the custom graphic option.
LuftManu Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 I don`t know why there are some "presets" even if the game was released, looks like something like: The player are not very clever, let`s give them all ready
[CPC]Giledhil Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Here's an answer: we don't plan to change anything in the system of presets yet. Seems like they don't plan to change it...
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted October 28, 2014 Posted October 28, 2014 Seems like they don't plan to change it... Yup.
MaverickSu-35S Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I'm skeptical about custom graphics because for an example look at War Thunder... people manipulate the graphics so they can see through the clouds, etc, etc. That's War Thunder in "all it's meaning", lol, because the server probably doesn't force the clients to have the same graphics settings it does, so "cheating" in this manner is possible! Now I might change the subject a bit and talk about some non-existent benefits from lowering the graphics in other flight sims like Rise of Flight or DCS where you can't seem to get any advantage from playing with the graphics options until you can see things/objects better and hopefully in BoS too, with things like: lowering the resolution will help you see bigger, much more visible dots for distant targets, but perhaps will make the dot vanish at a much lower distance than using higher resolution..., so this old trick with lowering the resolution might've found it's end! Seems like they don't plan to change it... Yeah, but "yet" he said..., so as "REFLECTED" suggested in the beginning, the presets might remain until the game is finished or maybe after the possible bug issues that are avoided this way, might no longer be a problem. Edited October 29, 2014 by MaverickF22
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) S! Found this thread too late And agree about WT. Do not compare anything to that pile of steaming manure. Nothing. BoS would benefit from more options, not suffer. And if the cloud shimmering etc. went away, as Brano said, then the presets are really poorly done. Having more gimmicks does not mean better graphics. Edited October 29, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 S! Found this thread too late And agree about WT. Do not compare anything to that pile of steaming manure. Nothing. BoS would benefit from more options, not suffer. And if the cloud shimmering etc. went away, as Brano said, then the presets are really poorly done. Having more gimmicks does not mean better graphics. There seriously isn't a good excuse for presets, at all, in a finished product. At all. Why'd they even do this?
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) S! No idea, but their basic arguments seemed to be "flooded customer care" because users are not capable of understanding what they are doing and the other something like "giving an edge in MP by manipulating settings". 2 very big WTF moments to me. Want to reduce the workload of customer care? 1.) Hire more of them, that know what they are doing. 2.) Do PROPER DOCUMENTATION explaining things in a way, that even the most drool dribbling idiot can understand it. 3.) Do a 2D game, problem solved. Manipulating settings? Eh? Most of the stuff is set and dictated by the server, like clouds, weather and stuff. Now even with presets some basically gain more with LOW as they do not have so many post processing doodahs running thus better IQ than the smeary ULTRA. Actually Low/High and Ultra have the same drawing distance as Requiem's post showed. Was it Balanced that had lowest of them all. To put it bluntly: The most competitive(Professional leagues with a lot of money involved!) FPS/RTS and MMO's out there have fully customisable graphics options. It is player skill that matters, not adjusting some setting. I find the lack of tweaking my own graphics the main reason why I am very reluctant to play BoS at all. I can't stand those doodahs spoiling the otherwise excellent experience. MEH! Edited October 29, 2014 by LLv34_Flanker
CisTer-dB- Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) 95% for customization. I thinks that we are stuck with the presets. Just saying Edited October 29, 2014 by 71st_AH_dB
Trident_109 Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 (edited) I understand that this is a small team and that allowing for graphic customization can become a nuisance for them, but isn't that what's so great about the community? I know we bare our teeth concerning our likes and dislikes regarding BoS, but as a community we still rally around each other to help when we can. Even the most bitter and frustrated person that has had issues with IL2's graphic and INI file has had help from the community. Tons of topics have been created by the community to explain the options and how to get the best from the games graphic engine. I can only imagine the reason being is for testing and assuring a standard of visual quality for every one. I'd personally dump "ssau" but other than that I'm pretty satisfied with the settings as they are now. Would I love to have the same type options as in RoF? YUP. I imagined that's what we were going to get from the outset and the finalization of the launcher. BUT we didn't. sigh. Edited October 29, 2014 by Robert
Matt Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 They wrote that it will stay like this, so it's certainly not for testing. As for making things easier for the customer etc., adding the presets would be enough for that, no need to force the presets. Just look at RoF, only custom graphics, no presets. Worked fine for five years. Custom graphis in addition to presets was avaliable in the original Il-2, also worked for more than a decade. Warthunder also has custom options. Seems like some people are worried about the possibility to use custom graphics for exploits. If so, i would really like to know one of the custom graphics settings which would help anyone if it would be possible to switch it off (or on). Of course only counting those features which are not affected by different presets anyway.
Brano Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 In fact what is causing problems of visual appearance and also some fps dropdown are all those postprocesing thingies.HDR,BLOOM,SSAO etc.I turned them off.I do not want them,I do not need them.I want my screen clear as freezing wind over Stalingrad.I put ''=false'' to all of that in cfg file with much pleasure. For those affraid that it will help me to see better....No it will not.Contacts are same as before.This is not old sturm with its black dots.This is how we had it year ago when we were first to fly.I have mediocre 20'' monitor with standard 1920*1080 resolution.Some of you have maybe twice that large screen.So how it comes to equality?Are you gona force/allow all people to buy and play only on one type of monitor? Do all of those different graphic cards we all have in our PCs deal equaly with postprocessing effects? When customers feel that their needs are not catered by devs,they will come down for hacks and mods.Like it happened in old sturm.Do we want to drop into hack'n'mod level?
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 S! Brano, I thought the trick mentioned above does not work anymore?
Brano Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Didn't fire up game today,so most probably not anymore.As it was anounced that they are about to remove it.Have to try it out. 1
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 S! I was late..Did you get any screenies or videos? How much did it improve the image when all of them were off? Curious to know
Brano Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 Unfortunately not.But it was clear,bright,without strange blurs under clouds when there was sunset,planes where not shimmering against clouds...Overall cold winter brute feeling as it should be.With all that postprocessing it is too much sweet and yellowish and blury....and this is particulary annoying
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 29, 2014 Posted October 29, 2014 S! That blur against clouds yes..huh! Well, let's hope there would be a change so people could tweak their settings. I recall also when the game was still early access, and devs even pointed out where this option was, that without post processing image was razor sharp. Even they have tweaked them it is still too prominent. On/Off would do and as it seems does NOT break anything or give "unfair" advantage..except a happier pilot!
Brano Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Exactly.Now the closest feeling is when you set your presets at low.It seems not having SSAO (at least cfg says 0 samples) but stil some postprocessing turned on BUT you have half of drawing distance,no paralax textures with worse filtering and worst quality of shadows,forests,landscape,clouds,objects distance etc.
AndyHill Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 This is getting really annoying. Why are they so heck bent on not letting us enjoy the game the way we want to? I know there are a ton of flags in nVidia registry, anyone know where we could go ask if there's something helpful there? I wonder what Kegetys is doing nowadays, he seems to know everything about everything anyway...
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 S! Haven't heard of Kegetys in a while. Propably coding away as before. All devs need to do is to set On/Off to those post processing things and all is good. Use what you like and that's it.
Requiem Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Man I would have loved to have seen some screenshots of what Ultra would look like without the post processing
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 S! Believe me Requiem, it looked way better than now. Crisp and clear.
Mysticpuma Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 S! I was late..Did you get any screenies or videos? How much did it improve the image when all of them were off? Curious to know Screens can be seen here: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13587&p=149072#post149072
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 S! All I can say is Quite a difference!
AndyHill Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 BTW what is the lowest preset that has the furthest possible viewing distance? I think that's quite important for multiplayer.
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