Those Exhaust Flashes...

[BlitzPig_EL]

...that I see in videos.

 

You should never see them in day time.

 

Just sayin'.

[CUJO_1970]

Never? False.

 

Both flames from the startup as well as exhaust flashes during flight are visible in broad daylight under the right (and fairly typical) atmospheric conditions. 

[CUJO_1970]

[Sparrer]

S!

 

They seems quite overdone...

 

Can't see them in this video

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnpC_BcK7xY

 

 

By the way, hear this awesome sound

 

[Fenris]

Welcome to frame rate, likely the camera shuts when the flames come out

[CUJO_1970]

S!

 

They seems quite overdone...

 

 

They are probably a bit overdone, but it's hardly a deal killer. Probably pretty hard to code them to be invisible during certain conditions and visible during others(?)

 

Any time you have engines with 1,300-1,700 horsepower and very short exhaust stacks, fuel mixture, detonation problems etc...there is the chance to see the flame even in the broad daylight.

[LukeFF]

Speaking of exhaust flames, here are some really good images from an Allison V-1710 manual published by General Motors:

 

[HagarTheHorrible]

Regardless of how, pedantly, incorrect it might be, under certain lighting conditions, they're cool and I like them, they add a bit of life. Better with than without.

[Feathered_IV]

Blazing sun, those Russian winters.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

 Can't even see them from cockpit, what's the fuzz?

[Bullets]

Is it because of the environment? The temperature and humidity that causes the exhaust flames to be so prevalent ?  I personally don't think they look that bad however I wouldn't care if they were dulled down a little... 

[Trooper117]

Not bothered if they are there or not... don't see em when I'm flying.

[SR-F_Winger]

On the HE 111 there are none visible from cockpit. Anyone know if this is a bug? You cant practically set the correct mixture this way. But it doesnt seem to matter...

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

This shows exhaust flames stunningly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdy17GmkpWc

And yes camera recording frequenzy plays an important role in catching such details.

 

Also exhaust flames also relate to dirt / oil left in the engine getting burned. Most today's 109s have excellent maintanance and get payed great attention to engine reliability while 109s by that time had to fly ocntinues comabat missions in a combat scenario. Therefore assuming engien maintanance was worse it makes some sense the effect of exhaust fire is stronger than in modern recordings.

[Dakpilot]

On the HE 111 there are none visible from cockpit. Anyone know if this is a bug? You cant practically set the correct mixture this way. But it doesnt seem to matter...

 

Am sure I may be wrong but weren't the HE 111 exhausts designed that way, they look like they have some sort of flame dampener, each of the twelve exhaust stacks having eight outlets, I think there were four types of jumo HE 111 exhaust manifolds, two of which were flame dampening

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[BlitzPig_EL]

Folks, I am not talking about flames on start up from over priming, nor the over rich mixtures on the radials in the photos shown.

 

You guys need to go see more air shows, really.  YOU DO NOT SEE TWINKLING EXHAUST FLASHES IN DAYLIGHT.

 

In dark conditions you should see a steady, short, blue flame (if the mix is correctly set).

 

The effect I see in videos of the game looks like flashing lights on a Christmas tree.   Even at the relatively low RPM used by these large piston engines you would not see individual flashes from each combustion stroke.

All you should see is a steady flame, at night.

 

This is every bit as unreal as the bogus cinematic propeller effects that so many gamers like to see.

[kaboki]

But it looks "cool" though  . Whatever is needed to attract casual gamers is a "warm" welcome

[=SqSq=Sulaco]

I like'em and I think that at a time where the other issues with the game are as serious as they are it's not even worth talking about.

Edited October 10, 2014 by 72ndSulaco

[Baldric]

S!

 

 Can't even see them from cockpit, what's the fuzz?

Just gotta slide the canopy back and lean your head out the side.    

 

I don't mind them at all.

[kestrel79]

I agree it's not very realistic, but it's one of those things that looks badass so I hope it stays in. I love seeing the flames all the time in external view when I'm just checking out how cool everything looks.

[Vaxxtx]

Folks, I am not talking about flames on start up from over priming, nor the over rich mixtures on the radials in the photos shown.

 

You guys need to go see more air shows, really.  YOU DO NOT SEE TWINKLING EXHAUST FLASHES IN DAYLIGHT.

 

In dark conditions you should see a steady, short, blue flame (if the mix is correctly set).

 

The effect I see in videos of the game looks like flashing lights on a Christmas tree.   Even at the relatively low RPM used by these large piston engines you would not see individual flashes from each combustion stroke.

All you should see is a steady flame, at night.

 

This is every bit as unreal as the bogus cinematic propeller effects that so many gamers like to see.

This.

 

I assume it is to attract the more casual gamer, to try and look cool, but to anyone who has any interest in WWII aviation it is a silly gimmick that makes you shake your head.

[69th_chuter]

Absolutely agree with OP.  First, the flames should be near invisible in daylight (as noted in the Allison chart posted above); and second, they should be relatively steady flickering, not look like some sort of butane based wack-a-mole.

[BlitzPig_Bill_Kelso]

Dunno about other aircraft but anything with an R2800 engine can be seen during the day. Sometimes you see them, sometimes you don't. Former Northern Air Cargo employee. 13 DC-6's among other old things flying around.

 

Hey El,

 

When are you going to buy the game? Costs less than a few bucks of ammo you would blow at the shooting range.

[LizLemon]

The exhaust flames also show incorrect firing order on some aircraft.

[HBB*Hunger]

I really dont care about ex.flames, but i would like to see light black smoke cloud coming out of em if you go 100% power, especially for the 109.

[Hawgdog]

The exhaust flames also show incorrect firing order on some aircraft.

 

 

Agreed, I couldn't stop staring at such a glaring insult to the gaming community,  a deal killer for me.

Going to stick with Hello Kitty Island adventure till its fixed. 

[II./JG53Lutzow_z06z33]

I've always thought they were cool. Some people are really picky.

[Trooper117]

For many people who have lived, eaten and breathed realistic combat flight sims for years, looking 'cool' or it's 'looks badass' doesn't cut the mustard... so to speak

[Rjel]

We rely on our vision to communicate a large part of our sensory perception. While everything in our real lives involves sight, sound and touch, in computer games there is very little sense of feel outside of limited force feedback. While I can buy the arguments that the flames might not be visible and that one can't see the prop blades in motion, something needs to replace the lost feeling of motion. There was little to convey a sense of movement in earlier flight sims. Most didn't have any prop animation. If someone wasn't familiar with aviation, for all they knew they could be flying a jet. I think the eye candy is important in that regard.

[Cloyd]

Agreed, I couldn't stop staring at such a glaring insult to the gaming community,  a deal killer for me.

Going to stick with Hello Kitty Island adventure till its fixed. 

I'm with you, i'm about to uninstall beacause of this. Hey Hawgdog, you got a link to that Hello Kitty Sim?

 

Cloyd

 

P.S. Hey El, Targ, and Hawgdog, good to see some old familiar faces.

Edited October 11, 2014 by Cloyd

[=SqSq=Sulaco]

For many people who have lived, eaten and breathed realistic combat flight sims for years, looking 'cool' or it's 'looks badass' doesn't cut the mustard... so to speak

Yeah, I hate it when the entertainment I`m digesting looks cool and badass, boring and dull is way better.

[Trooper117]

I'm not bothered about them, read my previous posts. I never see the exhausts when I'm in the cockpit. But I was just intimating that there are many that apparently are!

[Tyberan]

Jeez. A new WW2 flight sim comes out in a niche genre, that is far better then the rest at the moment and has huge potential to become bigger. But nope, game is broken, unplayable cause some flames are a little bright.

 

If your playing expert you dont see them unless you poke your head out of the window during taxi anyway.

 

 

I think they look fine. 

[startrekmike]

Glad you think they look fine.

 

People who actually like a more realistic appearance dont. But it kind of goes hand in hand with other decisions like throwing out accuracy and history for gameplay and arcade crowds. Not much of a surprise.

 

 

  So I suppose every flight sim developer is guilty of this?

 

  Look at DCS World's P-51D, notice the little exhaust flashes? I do but I hardly think that the DCS P-51D is designed for the War Thunder or arcade crowds.

 

  How about IL-2 Cliffs of Dover, you see those flames? I do and that one often gets held up as some sort of perfect WWII flight sim with fans that will defend it's accuracy to the death.

 

  So, tell me again how exhaust flashes are all part of some sort of conspiracy to make BoS appeal to the "arcade crowds".

[Vaxxtx]

I just tested the DCS P-51.  You can see them.  Don't believe me?  Try it yourself.

 

Oooo, it's shiny!

As per Belsimtek - The exhaust flames in ED's P-51D were intended to only be visible in low light conditions and have some variety in their appearance to indicate engine performance settings and health. It's just a feature that wasn't quite finished and was left in-game as is for the time being. They do hope to be able to do some more work on this (and smoke) when some time is available between other priorities.

 

Obviously different reasons for BoS.

[GP*]

Folks, I am not talking about flames on start up from over priming, nor the over rich mixtures on the radials in the photos shown.

 

You guys need to go see more air shows, really.  YOU DO NOT SEE TWINKLING EXHAUST FLASHES IN DAYLIGHT.

 

In dark conditions you should see a steady, short, blue flame (if the mix is correctly set).

 

The effect I see in videos of the game looks like flashing lights on a Christmas tree.   Even at the relatively low RPM used by these large piston engines you would not see individual flashes from each combustion stroke.

All you should see is a steady flame, at night.

 

This is every bit as unreal as the bogus cinematic propeller effects that so many gamers like to see.

 

Ugh. The worst offender of all. 

[BraveSirRobin]

As per Belsimtek - The exhaust flames in ED's P-51D were intended to only be visible in low light conditions and have some variety in their appearance to indicate engine performance settings and health. It's just a feature that wasn't quite finished and was left in-game as is for the time being. They do hope to be able to do some more work on this (and smoke) when some time is available between other priorities.

 

Obviously different reasons for BoS.

 

No, not obviously different.  I can obviously see them in DCS. So it's the same.  When it's removed from DCS, then it will be different.  EDITED.

[startrekmike]

On start up? Sure. In the daylight while in flight? Nope. I play all and I dont see them. Please link me a video showing flaming exhausts in the DCS P-51 or any plane in CLoD.

No correct squadrons, no correct airfields for plane type, unlocks, formations, etc. etc. I can keep going, but the topic is about the flames.

 

Again, its trying to appeal to the "Ooooo its shiney" crowd, over people whole want a more historic feel. Thats fine, but I sure as heck can agree with the OP.

 

  I don't have the means to record gameplay footage but a simple youtube search on Cliffs of Dover videos will CLEARLY show a a constant and very, very visible flame coming out of the exhaust, they even tell you to use this flame as a means to see how good your mixture settings are.

 

  I honestly don't see how you can play Cliffs of Dover and miss them.

 

 As others have said, the DCS Mustang does indeed have visible flame as well, it may be a mistake that will get fixed but it has been around since the Mustang came out a long time ago.

 

  So, I go back to my main question, are they all "arcade" because they have exhaust flames as well?

[BladeMeister]

EDITED. The flames look like arcade Hollywood gimmicky light shows and BOS would look better without them. I could never understand why the Devs would make such good looking plane models and do this to them. Does it break the game? Nope, but BOS would either be better without them, or with the effect largely toned down. The look like Christmas lights right now. I agree with  the OP.   LukeFF, I can make a list of unhistorical instances in BOS if you like? Would you really like me to do that?

 

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Edited October 12, 2014 by FlatSpinMan

[LizLemon]

  I don't have the means to record gameplay footage but a simple youtube search on Cliffs of Dover videos will CLEARLY show a a constant and very, very visible flame coming out of the exhaust, they even tell you to use this flame as a means to see how good your mixture settings are.

 

  I honestly don't see how you can play Cliffs of Dover and miss them.

 

 As others have said, the DCS Mustang does indeed have visible flame as well, it may be a mistake that will get fixed but it has been around since the Mustang came out a long time ago.

 

  So, I go back to my main question, are they all "arcade" because they have exhaust flames as well?

 

I fail to see how this is at the same level as BoS.

 

BTW they have the proper firing order.

 

 

BSR, you are a Douche Bag no matter what Forum you are on! Do everyone a favor here and save your STFUs for yourself, because you are the one who deserves them. The flames look like arcade Hollywood gimmicky light shows and BOS would look better without them. I could never understand why the Devs would make such good looking plane models and do this to them. Does it break the game? Nope, but BOS would either be better without them, or with the effect largely toned down. The look like Christmas lights right now. I agree with  the OP.   LukeFF, I can make a list of unhistorical instances in BOS if you like? Would you really like me to do that?

 

S!Blade<><

 

 

Maddox games made most of the plane models, not 777.

Edited October 12, 2014 by LizLemon