indiaciki Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 Just to give the devs some idea about xp / unlocks.... http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=301&t=7913
indiaciki Posted October 6, 2014 Author Posted October 6, 2014 How is this related to xp/unlocks? Time available to unlock things in a boring WOW like farming campaign. Time not flying a full functional flight sim. Time not spent with kids or RL. 3
MarcoRossolini Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 I feel so guilty putting my name in the under 20 category... even though I'd infinitely prefer what you over 40s chaps want.
DD_bongodriver Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 Great, 40 and over, may as well have labelled it dead already 5
Pupo Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) I feel so guilty putting my name in the under 20 category... even though I'd infinitely prefer what you over 40s chaps want. 21-25 and i'm with this chap... no unlocks for multiplayer! keep them for SP only Edited October 6, 2014 by E69_Pupo
Emgy Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) I don't like unlocks either, but it's not about age, there are lots of 30+ people who play MMORPGs. The generation that was 21+ yo when WoW launched in 2005. Many of these play mmogs with their kids and spouse, that's their quality family time. You will also find many people who play flightsims as well as progression based games like Elite, Battlefield or RPGs. What I find strange is that several of the leading devs used to be successful IL2 tournament players, yet still implement this system that pisses off the MP-only segment. But we don't know if it's a publisher decision. Edited October 6, 2014 by Calvamos
sallee Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 Great, 40 and over, may as well have labelled it dead already That's it, positive thinking...though it is worrying that it's the last possible category..
DD_bongodriver Posted October 6, 2014 Posted October 6, 2014 That's it, positive thinking...though it is worrying that it's the last possible category.. Yeah, that was my point, at least a 40-50 category so we could laugh at the over 50's
indiaciki Posted October 9, 2014 Author Posted October 9, 2014 70% is 30 and over... that's not quite the average gamer
RDW Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I might be the youngest here. I should get my friends into this.
wuffman Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 So development is arrested after 40 according to the "gaming community"? Where the hell do you think that box you're plugged into came from? I know, get out of the way, Grandpa... song remains the same.
JG300_Olrik Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) I have voted. If you want to give any indication to devs, The poll should be : unlock, yes or not ! Edited October 10, 2014 by F/JG300_Touch 1
SYN_Blackrat Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Hmmm, maybe this reflects the forum demographic, how many do not visit here? Also maybe the devs are trying to change this demographic towards younger players? ...and yes, gaming does not stop at 40 ish
pilotpierre Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 (edited) I think you need more age groups to take into account retired folks. At 68 and retired i dont mind spending the time unlocking, I'm sure there are plenty 60+ in the same boat. You could go 40 - 50, 50 - 60 and over 60. Those that have already voted over 40 could remove their vote then revote. Edited October 10, 2014 by pilotpierre 3
Cybermat47 Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 I'm 15. I hang around here 'cos the folks here tend to be more mature.
[JG2]Phen0m Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 64 and still kickin da rudder."widowmaker" 17 days ago..............Im all in. 1
sallee Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 Yeah, that was my point, at least a 40-50 category so we could laugh at the over 50's You're not too old for me to put you over my knee...but I fear you might enjoy it, so it's not going to happen.
-NW-ChiefRedCloud Posted October 10, 2014 Posted October 10, 2014 How OLD am I ..... Let me put it this way ..... I remember when MY father invented dirt ...... Chief 1
Hawgdog Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 protip: The over 40 crowd has the most disposable income. Under 40 will spend, but not like the over 40
KodiakJac Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 What I don't get is the age group they're going for with the fairly juvenile unlocks as "the story" for the SP Campaign (also the juvenile in game messaging "congrats on taking off" etc). Now hear me out before you get mad at me. I got my pilots license when I was age 16 IRL. Most men and women can join their country's military and learn to operate sophisticated military systems at the age of 18. When I'm looking at the tenor of the SP Campaign it looks to me like they're targeting 10 to 12 year olds. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that age group, but as the target age for this game? I just can't even imagine 16 year olds getting immersed in the SP Campaign, they're only two or three years out from driving a Bradley fighting vehicle in a real war...congrats on starting your engine??? I just can't get my mind around anybody enjoying the SP Campaign as it stands now who is even 16 let alone older...what am I missing. I'm not trying to be snotty or condescending at all. I really don't understand adding pre-teen centric focus to what seems like more mature content everywhere else in the game. 2
DD_bongodriver Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 You're not too old for me to put you over my knee...but I fear you might enjoy it, so it's not going to happen. I'm quite heavy, the osteoporosis might not cope with it
indiaciki Posted October 11, 2014 Author Posted October 11, 2014 What I don't get is the age group they're going for with the fairly juvenile unlocks as "the story" for the SP Campaign (also the juvenile in game messaging "congrats on taking off" etc). Now hear me out before you get mad at me. I got my pilots license when I was age 16 IRL. Most men and women can join their country's military and learn to operate sophisticated military systems at the age of 18. That's my point. Adolescents DO NOT WANT TO LEARN FLYING. I have a son in law school who was a gamer a couple of years ago. COD Multiplayer, GTA etc. They don't give a ... about learning to fly in order to get their unlocks rewards etc. They want them now. WASD... If you tell them they have to learn flying, landing, navigation... and they have to start being "noobs" in normal player... They already are EXPERT mode at some kind of game. Those who are up for rewards want to be EXPERT or nothing.
Cybermat47 Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Adolescents DO NOT WANT TO LEARN FLYING. I do 1
39bn_pavig Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 What an old crowd! Looks like the under 30's don't buy an IL2 game on franchise reputation alone. It will be interesting to see how the demographics evolve post release.
LLv34_Flanker Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 S! When IL-2 entered beta most of us were in 20's or so. The flight sim genre is getting "grandaddy league" unless younger players are drawn into the genre. But it is hard to compete with all the twitch shooters out there. BoS could be that stepping stone to the world ov aviation
sallee Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 I'm quite heavy, the osteoporosis might not cope with it Steel knee joints, so there. And the arms of the wheelchair will take some of the weight...
DD_bongodriver Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 Steel knee joints, so there. And the arms of the wheelchair will take some of the weight... And there's you saying I'd be the one to enjoy it, you are selling it pretty hard there lol......you weren't a DJ in the 70's by any chance? 1
wuffman Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) What I don't get is the age group they're going for with the fairly juvenile unlocks as "the story" for the SP Campaign (also the juvenile in game messaging "congrats on taking off" etc). Now hear me out before you get mad at me. I got my pilots license when I was age 16 IRL. Most men and women can join their country's military and learn to operate sophisticated military systems at the age of 18. When I'm looking at the tenor of the SP Campaign it looks to me like they're targeting 10 to 12 year olds. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that age group, but as the target age for this game? I just can't even imagine 16 year olds getting immersed in the SP Campaign, they're only two or three years out from driving a Bradley fighting vehicle in a real war...congrats on starting your engine??? I just can't get my mind around anybody enjoying the SP Campaign as it stands now who is even 16 let alone older...what am I missing. I'm not trying to be snotty or condescending at all. I really don't understand adding pre-teen centric focus to what seems like more mature content everywhere else in the game. Thanks Buck for putting your finger on what was bothering me about the direction of this well coded program. Perhaps it is design by committee, with the investors having a say, I dunno. But that is exactly what makes CLoD a cult classic, no pretense. Seems what we say doesn't carry much weight, insofar as strategy of direction. But to ignore the mature ( over 50 ) market is leaving a resource untapped. Edited October 12, 2014 by 71st_AH_wuffman
sallee Posted October 12, 2014 Posted October 12, 2014 And there's you saying I'd be the one to enjoy it, you are selling it pretty hard there lol......you weren't a DJ in the 70's by any chance? Absolutely not, pop-picker. 1
[KWN]T-oddball Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 It's Not hard to imagine Why the majority is over forty, a lot of us grew up watching reruns of old war movies. I still vividly remember watching tora tora tora and the Blue Max.
[DBS]El_Marta Posted October 14, 2014 Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) Quoting myself from another forum concerning the baby boomer flightsim maniac: I do not like that unlock system either, but I think I can bear with it. I think this flightsim / -game is basically well made as is ROF. I never had a big problem with the buiseness model of ROF. Unlocking will not take you longer than two months.What are the alternatives? DCS? Very pricey and in the current state totally unimmersive. Of course it will always be the "Holy Grail" of flight simming until "Edge" and the other aircraft modules and the normandy map (yawn) have been finally released. If I am am still alive then, I guess there will also be some disappointment. I think the first multicrewed DCS WWII Bomber will be released not earlier than 2020.I am also no fan of that unlock stuff, but I do think there is a lot of mass histerya and lynch mob mindset at work in the moment.I think both, the users and the devs should be intelligent and should adapt to the current situation. Being stubborn does not help the situation.I think what BOS is trying to do, is to put the bar for younger customers to enter the flight sim world pretty low (Ilya Muromets with mouse control to be sold at museum shops) while also providing features important to seasoned flight sim maniacs, which do not run away screaming loudly when faced with a 500 pages DCS manual. After all every product does need customers. If you want the product to have a certain live span, you have to pick up pontential younger customers who grow together with your product.I started with "Wing Commander" in the late 80`s, "B17", "Task Force 1942", "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe", "Pacific Airwar", "European Air War", "Red Baron" and finally got to "Il2" and much later "DCS". That is , - I guess - , from 1989 to 2014. 25 years of fun, learning, experience, addiction and frustration which made me become a gamer who would buy and enjoy a product like DCS or CLOD by Team fusion on the first day.We know this guys, but are we not Dinosaurs? I was born in the mid 60's and flight sims/ games were among the most popular games when the PC got into my life. Today the situation is different.P.S.: Hotas Warthog also needs some "unlocks" to make it shine as a product acceptable for the flight sim maniac, but I never saw such an outrage as with BOS. Edited October 14, 2014 by El_Marta 1
indiaciki Posted October 14, 2014 Author Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) BOS to ROF comparison so far: 0-20 - BOS ( 8,33 %) ROF ( 8% ) 21-30 - BOS ( 19,44%) ROF ( 19% ) 30-40 - BOS ( 23,15%) ROF ( 24% ) 40+ - BOS ( 49,07%) ROF ( 49%) hm... same people buying sims? Edited October 14, 2014 by indiaciki
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