Help at taking off - Taxi

[[117/LAS]MikhailZvesdolov]

Hello guys

 

I am sorry if this is a kinda stupid question or if it has been addressed in another post, but It's impossible for my right now to take off in almost any russian plane, well... my problem isn't during take off but during taxi to runway.

 

I always find myself spinning to the right, no matter if i go slow or Fast, full throttle or almost nothing, Yawing hard to the left still get's me spinning to the right, locking and unlocking tail wheel, putting flaps or no flaps, lean mixture or max, Full Pitch or 0%, Braking slowly or putting full breaks while turning, last time I spent 25 minutes of a mission at Eagle's Nest Expert server trying to taxi to the runway and never was able to, Only with the Pe-2 since I can manually control the throttle of the separate engines so I can make corrections, but with the IL2 It was literally Impossible for me to take off.

 

What I am doing wrong? please someone help me, because It's really putting me off....

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Mikhail Fedorovich Zvesdolov

[oneeyeddog]

Bastiancas, only the German AC use left and right toe brakes to steer left or right. For the Russian Planes you must map a key or joystick button to 'Russian brakes' in settings. Then, when you press this key or button apply left or right Rudder to make your AC turn left or right  respectively.

[[117/LAS]MikhailZvesdolov]

The thing is I have mapped the Brakes, and I brake and still go to the right, although It helped me to taxi with the Yak-1 it's not enough for the IL2, it pushes so hard to the right that the brakes add no turning power unless at high speed, which is not suitable for taxiing...

[oneeyeddog]

Are you using enough RPMs? I'm able to keep the IL2 fairly straight using left rudder and only intermittent tapping of the brake key.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Ground looping?

 

Chief

[kestrel79]

Yeah sometimes you really have to give it to the throttle to get it to turn with the brakes applied and rudder pedal pushed down.

[HotPursuit]

Make sure you have your propeller pitch set to full fine position. Coarse pitch will make taxiing straight almost impossible.

 

Keep mixture at full rich.

 

Are you sure you have mapped your brakes correctly?  Can you hear the compressed air when braking?

 

Check your rudder is moving correctly (may need to go to external view).

 

Probably best to leave your tail wheel locked unless making a very tight turn.

 

I hope you get this sorted out. Good luck.

Edited September 26, 2014 by HotPursuit

[Herne]

Thank's for this thread, Had my first taste on a full real multiplayer server last night, after much faffing around I made it to the runway, But still havent gotten my lagg 3 to take off yet

[[117/LAS]MikhailZvesdolov]

Make sure you have your propeller pitch set to full fine position. Coarse pitch will make taxiing straight almost impossible.

 

Keep mixture at full rich.

 

Are you sure you have mapped your brakes correctly?  Can you hear the compressed air when braking?

 

Check your rudder is moving correctly (may need to go to external view).

 

Probably best to leave your tail wheel locked unless making a very tight turn.

 

I hope you get this sorted out. Good luck.

 

Just arrived home, I'll update and do this right away, Thanks for all the help, I'll let you all know later how it went.

 

for the breaks, yeah it sounds like a beautiful Bus, I'll try again full pitch and Mix Rich to see how it goes

Edited September 26, 2014 by [117th]Bastiancas

[Jhay753]

This taxiing issue has got to be a bug that must be addressed.  I too, have found Allied aircraft almost impossible to control on the ground.  If the real aircraft were this hard to control, every pilot would wreck three or four before he ever got off the ground.  I have resorted to just blasting off in whatever direction I am pointed and hoping I get enough speed to control the thing before I hit something.  Spinning in circles with full opposite rudder is not a good advertisement for this sim.

[SYN_LennysCopilot]

Yeah, I have spent as much time practicing taxiing as I have taking off and landing. It is VERY tricky on the "snow" (non-concrete) runways, I have found. All of my practice has been with the Yak-1.

 

I am not sure if the difficulty taxiing is a bug. My guess is that the real aircraft were tricky to handle on snowy airfields, and the pilots just lived with it.

 

For what it is worth, I did have an "aha" moment the other night. I unlock the tailwheel when I want to make a sharp turn, and then re-lock it when I want to go (kinda) straight. When I was re-locking the tailwheel, I was not making sure that it was lined up straight again. That is, when I locked it, it would still be sideways from my turn.

 

What I do now is roll forward just a little bit so that the tailwheel is straight again, and only then do I lock it. I think this helped a lot.

 

I also keep my tailwheel locked a lot of the time, unless I want to make a really sharp turn.

 

I think taxiing is just one of those things that requires practice. I tried taxiing on Syndicate the other night, and I had to leave the server, I was so embarassed by my looping!

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Also old fashion Rise of Flight taxi tricks work well for BoS aircraft.

 

When going straight pull the stick to increae ground pressure of the tail wheel, thus keeping it straight easier. When mooving aorund a corner or turning push the stick fully forward to decrease ground pressure / lift the tailwheel a little so it will rather "slide" than pulling the whole plane around like crazy.

 

You can test this method easily by entering a turn using full rudder and constant throttle with first pulled stick and second fully pushed. The difference should be noticeably enought to show the effect.

 

Pushing the stick also helps a bit whne ground looping though keep in mind when applying harsh throttle the plane will nose over as result.

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

I tried the IL-2 the other day and with full rev and prop pitch and moving with full left rudder I hit the breaks and maybe turned a wee bit before tracking off into the snow. NOW, the right is another story. Turns like a charm. Rudder adjustment?

 

Chief

[BlackDevil]

This taxiing issue has got to be a bug that must be addressed.  I too, have found Allied aircraft almost impossible to control on the ground.  If the real aircraft were this hard to control, every pilot would wreck three or four before he ever got off the ground.  I have resorted to just blasting off in whatever direction I am pointed and hoping I get enough speed to control the thing before I hit something.  Spinning in circles with full opposite rudder is not a good advertisement for this sim.

 

I have the opposite opinion. You couldn´t call it a sim, if any noob could taxi without training and knowledge. It is well known, that the russian planes are very critical to small errors when taxiing.

 

 

Also old fashion Rise of Flight taxi tricks work well for BoS aircraft.

 

When going straight pull the stick to increae ground pressure of the tail wheel, thus keeping it straight easier. When mooving aorund a corner or turning push the stick fully forward to decrease ground pressure / lift the tailwheel a little so it will rather "slide" than pulling the whole plane around like crazy.

 

And this is, what any WW2 pilot did, before he advanced to a fighter. He did lots of training on biplanes. 

 

So please guys - don´t blame it on the sim ! It has the most realistic ground handling of any sims by a huge amount.

[[DBS]Prody]

well. i got this game without ever playing anything similar, and i cant understand anything . I got a joystick, it seems to work fine , i select a 109 and push throttle progressively , the plane turns left and i just can t keep it straight at take off . I understand u must use brakes on the opposed wheel but it has no effect, at slow speed i can stop the plane with the brakes but as soon as it gets some speed i can t control it, it turns left , my gf is laughing at me . I watch dozens of videos , the game looks awesome, i understood is going to be hard but  there is no tutorial or anything , i can;t take off from the runway .

[[DBS]Prody]

Please , is there a merciful soul out there  that can assist me with some advice regarding this issue ? I spent two days trying everything , i just cannot taxi a Stuka or a 109 towards right, only left . I can taxi a He111 without any problems by applying left wheel or right wheel breaks , it is stable on the runway, it takes off nice - everything is perfect . If i try with a Stuka or a 109 i get the same problem : plane starts moving left and tapping the right wheel breaks has no effect except that , at a lower speed, it stops the plane - it's just like the breaks act on both wheels . I looked at the break pedals inside the plane, they work fine, both are independent as they should be . Taking off from the runway is just impossible , i always end up in the fields right after i start to move. All the settings are the default ones, what could be the problem ? Thanks

Edited October 29, 2014 by [RO]ThePrody

[SYN_Blackrat]

Rudder input?

[Azradiel]

Didn't notice any such issue. Are You sure You have rudder maped and using right rudder to counter the left drag?

[[DBS]Prody]

i added a small replay, it can be downloaded from here :

https://www.sendspace.com/file/g0liad

(where is says click here to start download from sendspace )

All settings are default , how do i check that ? ( i'm sorry, i'm a bit of a total noob in this field but i hope i can learn  )

[Requiem]

i added a small replay, it can be downloaded from here :

https://www.sendspace.com/file/g0liad

(where is says click here to start download from sendspace )

All settings are default , how do i check that ? ( i'm sorry, i'm a bit of a total noob in this field but i hope i can learn  )

 

Thanks Prody, having a look.

Prody, your rudder isn't mapped to a control. Your brakes work, but there is zero rudder movement. You can find the rudder controls under "plane controls" then "plane control: yaw "

Edited October 29, 2014 by SYN_Requiem

[SYN_Blackrat]

I will leave it to our expert Req for a detailed look, but I suspect you are not using the rudder but just roll and pitch which is the left right of the stick and the forward backwards of the stick, check the rudder (yaw) settings for keyboard unless you have pedals or a twist stick.

[[DBS]Prody]

Thanks a lot, for some reason, the rudder should have been on the next box in the control and now it works fine , silly me , thank you again .

[Requiem]

No worries. At least now your GF will only laugh at you if you crash on landing now 

[[DBS]Prody]

ha-ha , right , well i let her try  and she's not laughing anymore after some violent crashes

[TG-55Panthercules]

Is there maybe some tail wheel bug in action here?  I tried last night to taxi out in a Stuka a couple of times, and every time I unlocked my tail wheel to start taxiing all I could do was spin in a circle no matter what combination of pitch, throttle, rudder, brakes or anything else I tried.  I checked my controls settings and looked externally and all the functions appeared to be happening correctly.  Then I tried the same mission starting on the runway, and had no problems taking off or flying.  I thought I was following all the tips in Requiem's great video, but maybe I missed something.

[Nefaro]

Is there maybe some tail wheel bug in action here?

 

 

Dunno what's going on but I've been having to use a LOT of right rudder to keep the Russian fighters running straight on take off.  Notably more than any similar rudder input requirements for planes in ROF and those could be rather pronounced.

 

Then, as soon as my wheels leave the ground, that torque effect lessens so much that the aircraft starts rolling and I have to quickly counter in the other direction.  Is this WAI?

[Jade_Monkey]

well. i got this game without ever playing anything similar, and i cant understand anything . I got a joystick, it seems to work fine , i select a 109 and push throttle progressively , the plane turns left and i just can t keep it straight at take off . I understand u must use brakes on the opposed wheel but it has no effect, at slow speed i can stop the plane with the brakes but as soon as it gets some speed i can t control it, it turns left , my gf is laughing at me . I watch dozens of videos , the game looks awesome, i understood is going to be hard but  there is no tutorial or anything , i can;t take off from the runway .

 

If you mean that the Bf109 truns left on takeoff, you have to use the rudder, not the brakes.

 

You use brakes for taxiing, but not takeoff. This is because you need to gain speed not, brake when taking off. 

With enough speed you will be able to use the rudder properly with the BF109.

[TG-55Panthercules]

If you're still having problems with planes spinning around in circles when you're trying to taxi, I'd suggest switching to external view (F2) and taking a look at your tail wheel.  I did that with the Stuka and discovered a definite bug/problem was happening - whenever I unlocked the tail wheel, it deformed and twisted until it was frozen in a full-turned position where all the plane would do is spin around in circles:

 

Just sitting on the parking area, without starting engine - the first shot shows the tail wheel while still locked:

 

 

 

What happens as soon as you unlock the tail wheel (which explains why I've been driving in circles and not able to taxi) - the first screenshot shows the wheel deforming and bending a bit while starting to turn:

 

 

 

Then it settles in as fully-turned sideways, after which the aircraft just spins in circles when the engine is started, regardless of throttle or rudder settings:

 

 

 

I posted a bug report about it, so hopefully the devs will be able to fix this soon.  I haven't had a chance to test it on any other planes yet.

Edited November 1, 2014 by TG-55Panthercules