Multi-monitor support

[nicka117]

Is it true that proper multi-monitor support, as in 3 individual renders, is not going to be fixed before release?

[dburne]

They really have not definitively stated either way, that I have seen.

 

I sure hope it is for you guys with multi monitors.

[indiaciki]

try SoftTH. Its works great with 2 monitors. Should work with 3.

 

http://www.kegetys.fi/softth/

Edited September 8, 2014 by indiaciki

[AbortedMan]

SoftTH doesn't seem to make a difference in the downsampling for three monitor setups.

[AndyHill]

So far I haven't been very worried about this, but I would really like to see working multi-monitor support (including proper graphics settings) in the release version.

[I./JG68_Sperber]

i need a statement of the devs............

Edited September 9, 2014 by I./JG68_Sperber

[KastaRules]

 have recently opened a thread on the multi monitor subject, since it is currently jeopardized by an incompatibility with the HDR filter:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/9605-more-info-black-screen-after-mission-startup/

 

I also contacted the devs on the matter but they replied to just play with a single monitor, which is not really a solution for me.

 

Once you are used to three screens, going back to just one is like playing with horse blinkers placed on either side of the eyes.

 

I still can't believe that a simulator in 2014 doesn't have advanced graphic options nor supports ultra wide resolutions, so common in flight sims.

[dburne]

If I recall correctly, multiple monitors and maybe even 3D worked properly back before they locked the sim down with presets only.

[KG66manta]

 have recently opened a thread on the multi monitor subject, since it is currently jeopardized by an incompatibility with the HDR filter:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/9605-more-info-black-screen-after-mission-startup/

 

I also contacted the devs on the matter but they replied to just play with a single monitor, which is not really a solution for me.

 

Once you are used to three screens, going back to just one is like playing with horse blinkers placed on either side of the eyes.

 

I still can't believe that a simulator in 2014 doesn't have advanced graphic options nor supports ultra wide resolutions, so common in flight sims.

 

Totally agree, going back to one monitor just sucks,

[KastaRules]

If I recall correctly, multiple monitors and maybe even 3D worked properly back before they locked the sim down with presets only.

Yes it did. That is what pisses me off the most.

 

From the decisions they are taking it looks like they are developing a console game instead of a PC sim. If I had known, I would have saved my money honestly.

Edited September 10, 2014 by KastaRules

[I./JG68_Sperber]

no comment from the devs is the worst!

[nicka117]

My assumption is that ultimately it will be re-configured for 3 renders because it just wouldn't make sense to not be able to use an ultra wide FOV across 3 screens for a 2014 combat flight sim.......but I could be wrong.

[KastaRules]

no comment from the devs is the worst!

There is a comment, here:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/6885-developer-diary-part-66/page-2?do=findComment&comment=123654

 

Unfortunately they do not seem to care about our problem at the moment. That's why I encourage triple screeners  to whine louder.

 

Other threads on the issue:

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/9470-how-many-you-have-triple-screen-setup/

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/10305-devs-official-positioning-requested/

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/2124-widescreen-multi-monitor-thread/?hl=+multi%20+monitor

Edited September 10, 2014 by KastaRules

[KG66manta]

It would be nice for the devs to comment on this considering how we paid a premium price

[AndyHill]

What kind of irks me about all this is that I can understand that 3 monitor users are probably not extremely common, but then again it shouldn't be a very involved fix either, considering the fact that everything already worked well earlier. But the worst thing is that the problem with 3 monitors comes largely (apart from the focus problem that may still exist?) from the locked graphics options - which I consider to be a bad decision for a number of reasons.

[dburne]

 But the worst thing is that the problem with 3 monitors comes largely (apart from the focus problem that may still exist?) from the locked graphics options - which I consider to be a bad decision for a number of reasons.

 

+1 to that, I fully agree.

What really surprises me on this decision, is ROF. ROF was and is successful, from all I can tell. I would assume it positioned 777 well to take on this next iteration of the IL-2 Franchise. ROF has those advanced graphics options, from what I have heard 3 monitors work just fine with ROF.

 

I fully expect a good flight simulator, to offer these options. We are doing PC gaming here, that is what may of us expect really of a PC game - the ability to customize the graphics for our best results, to our eyes, and on our PC configuration. If anything, I would expect a new game to even offer more in this department over one several years old. Heck to many enthusiasts, part of the fun is tweaking their systems, and the game's graphics settings, to get the best performance they can at the best visuals that are acceptable to them.  I am not just popping a game into a console and just playing it.

 

I know this is really not just multi monitor support I am talking about here, but obviously it is directly related to the problem.

 

No, I am not going to " shelve" this sim because of the presets - but I really do not like them. I do hope, at some point in the future, the developers re-consider this decision. They didn't " dumb down" the sim in the flying department , though they did give that ability to any that want to fly it on easy with all aides on. 

I liken this to " dumbing down" the graphics options, without giving those of us that want more advanced options in the graphics, that ability.

Edited September 10, 2014 by dburnette

[Bulldoguk]

If i had known there was no multi-monitor support i would have waited for the full release to find out what the state of play was going to be. I have no problem with ROF OR COD its like going back to the 80's gaming very disappointing.

 

 After using multi-monitors for a few years on flight sims then playing on one monitor is like playing on a broken PC.

 

This is almost like when some of the issues were ignored during the beta of cliffs of Dover. 

Edited September 11, 2014 by Bulldoguk

[AndyHill]

Well I can confirm that RoF is absolutely gorgeous on 3 screens if anyone ever had any doubts about that (as long as you disable all post effects). That's one reason I'm so scared of the new approach to graphics settings; I really hope all improvements from BoS work trickle back to RoF, but if they change the settings in RoF as well I'll be completely screwed!

 

It's not about just people with 3 screens either. Well the post effects problem might be, but the compromises needed for getting good performance and nice visual quality are very different depending on your hardware. You might say 3 screens are not that common and you'd be right, but 4k is right behind the corner and performance wise the problems are going to be pretty much the same as with an ultra wide setup. In the near future you will have vastly different monitors in the BoS user base - ranging from about two million pixels to a whopping eight million - and completely inadequate options for setting up suitable graphical quality & effects for all of them. This is absolutely not only about people with 3 screens.

[nicka117]

Well I can confirm that RoF is absolutely gorgeous on 3 screens if anyone ever had any doubts about that (as long as you disable all post effects). That's one reason I'm so scared of the new approach to graphics settings; I really hope all improvements from BoS work trickle back to RoF, but if they change the settings in RoF as well I'll be completely screwed!

 

It's not about just people with 3 screens either. Well the post effects problem might be, but the compromises needed for getting good performance and nice visual quality are very different depending on your hardware. You might say 3 screens are not that common and you'd be right, but 4k is right behind the corner and performance wise the problems are going to be pretty much the same as with an ultra wide setup. In the near future you will have vastly different monitors in the BoS user base - ranging from about two million pixels to a whopping eight million - and completely inadequate options for setting up suitable graphical quality & effects for all of them. This is absolutely not only about people with 3 screens.

i would imagine that this plays a role in future Oculus Rift support as well?

[Sephyrius]

Well I can confirm that RoF is absolutely gorgeous on 3 screens if anyone ever had any doubts about that (as long as you disable all post effects). That's one reason I'm so scared of the new approach to graphics settings; I really hope all improvements from BoS work trickle back to RoF, but if they change the settings in RoF as well I'll be completely screwed!

 

That's one reason why presets are so terrible - in RoF I can max out every slider setting on 4xAA and still get good fps with triple monitors, but the moment I turn on HDR it blacks out. Which is fine, I can just turn it off.

 

Yet the HDR problem is the same in BoS, and it's hardcoded into every preset except the lowest. So even if they finally fix triple monitor support it looks like we'll be stuck on lowest settings.

[Scott_Steiner]

ROF has quite a few bugs with triple screens, as mentioned, I would not really say it is supported in that title. I still don't think its worth it without rendering 3 view ports separately, I can't stand the extreme distortion on the side monitors.

 

Running triple screens in iRacing, Assetto Corsa, the newere Gmotor race sims, EuroTruck 2 and DCS is certainly hot as all hell with the separate viewports enabled. I don't know why it is so hard to get this to be the standard in all games that say they offer triple screen support. 

[coconut]

I have a triple monitor setup, but oriented in portrait mode (three monitors rotated 90 degs, side-by-side).

 

I wonder if that might work, as it's not an ultra-wide setup. My resolution would be something like 3240x1920, probably downscaled if my 660GTX can't stomach all those pixels.

[Dakpilot]

I have a triple monitor setup, but oriented in portrait mode (three monitors rotated 90 degs, side-by-side).

 

I wonder if that might work, as it's not an ultra-wide setup. My resolution would be something like 3240x1920, probably downscaled if my 660GTX can't stomach all those pixels.

 

Would be very interesting in seeing the result of that setup, regardless of low FPS, 3 x FHD 32" TV's is not such a prohibitive thought these days

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[coconut]

I took the risk and bought the game. I'm happy to report no problems were encountered.

Performance-wise, this is how it looks:

3240x1920, balanced: 20-30 fps

295921600, high: 45 fps, balanced: 60fps

 

My GPU is a GeForce GTX660 with 2GB GDDR5

CPU is an intel core i7 running at 3GHz.

[Dakpilot]

Thanks

 

Seems reasonable performance for that hardware at those resolutions, any chance of a pic of what your screens look like in game/ cockpit view

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[coconut]

Here you go:

[I./JG68_Sperber]

..this is only for fly BoS style gg

[Dakpilot]

Here you go:

 

 

thanks for making the effort

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[AndyHill]

From my testing the problems with post effects seem to start when you go past 4096 horizontal (probably vertical as well), so you should be ok. Don't know about other issues, however.

[Tom25briklebritt]

Very strange... I got my triple screen setup this week and tried BoS.

 

When game is switching from the briefing/map into the plane, screen stays completely grey. I cannot see anything when sitting in the plane. Only a grey background. The markers and icons and the sound is there, but only with a grey background.

 

I tried with different resolutions 5670x1080 default and graphics settings, no luck!

 

Can anybody tell me what to do?

[161SQNGoldleader]

Very strange... I got my triple screen setup this week and tried BoS.

When game is switching from the briefing/map into the plane, screen stays completely grey. I cannot see anything when sitting in the plane. Only a grey background. The markers and icons and the sound is there, but only with a grey background.

I tried with different resolutions 5670x1080 default and graphics settings, no luck!

Can anybody tell me what to do?

This is a known bug, only choices at the moment,

1. Lower your resolution so the horizontal value is less than 4096

2. Drop to a single monitor

3. Stop playing and wait till Devs fix it. (Could be a while )

[JimTM]

This is a known bug, only choices at the moment,

1. Lower your resolution so the horizontal value is less than 4096

2. Drop to a single monitor

3. Stop playing and wait till Devs fix it. (Could be a while )

 

For number 1, you may need to turn off anti-aliasing (at least I did).

[Pigomortis]

This is the only thing that disappoints me so far. This is my first game in the series and i love it, I'm terrible but still having fun. The lack of true triple screen support does make me spend less time with it and more time in other sims.

[I./JG68_Sperber]

please   ---> preSS the deVS

 

We wont a official statement !! i think...

[KastaRules]

please   ---> preSS the deVS

 

We wont a official statement !! i think...

Unfortunately the un-official statement seems to be that they could not care less about our problem... I don't think an "official statement" is gonna improve the situation at this point.

Edited October 9, 2014 by KastaRules

[indiaciki]

softTH dual monitor 3840 x 1080 ultra setting

 

 

[Slayer-]

I haven't kept up with every release but it worked before - Please put it back. I too am a 3 screen user.  This sucks.  

 

Going the direction of treating everyone like children and locking down the settings that you need to tune your specific system is a bad move the HDR is way oversaturated and I hate it, not at all close to reality.

[Dakpilot]

Maybe of use to some people

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/11784-little-triple-screen-solution-ati-user/

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Scott_Steiner]

Another temporary stop-gap fix I am probably going to try in the future, whenever I get around to it.. Is running SoftTH.

 

SoftTh has the ability to run different monitor resolutions, so you could keep your center monitor running nice at 1080P and then downscale the side monitors resolutions a little bit so you are under the maximum pixel cap before triple-screen breaks.

 

It is unfortunate that AMD Eyefinity and Nvidia Surround don't support this functionality and some of the best features in triple screen gaming come from hobbyists on no budget.

[161SQNGoldleader]

Another temporary stop-gap fix I am probably going to try in the future, whenever I get around to it.. Is running SoftTH.

 

SoftTh has the ability to run different monitor resolutions, so you could keep your center monitor running nice at 1080P and then downscale the side monitors resolutions a little bit so you are under the maximum pixel cap before triple-screen breaks.

 

It is unfortunate that AMD Eyefinity and Nvidia Surround don't support this functionality and some of the best features in triple screen gaming come from hobbyists on no budget.

Just downloaded and tried SoftTH and with it enabled the Launcher won't run, tried a few different configurations, but cannot seem to get it working, will keep trying as it is probably more me than the software!