110 in BoS?

[ATAG_Slipstream]

Were any Me110's flying at Stalingrad, and if so, what model? I will really miss flying it if it is not going to be in BoS.

 

[trumps]

Good question, i would rather fancy my chances in a 110 against the Lagg 3, better odds than against a spit or hurri

[Volkoff]

Were any Me110's flying at Stalingrad, and if so, what model? I will really miss flying it if it is not going to be in BoS.

I think ZG1 had Bf110's participating in the Battle of Stalingrad. I am not sure if the machines were E, F, or G, etc.

[Zmaj76]

AFAIK, BF110s were used to cover transport planes with supplies for Stalingrad.....and yes, ZG1 was with their 110s supporting 6th Armee through the whole campaign...

Edited August 13, 2013 by Tvrdi

[SvAF/F16_OndaAnkan]

Yes! I want that very much indeed.

[LG1.Farber]

It is late, i am tired.

 

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=114464

 

Is there more 110's listed there than ju87's?

 

 

ZERSTÖRER   [available / serviceable]

Stab/ZG 1 with Bf 110 2/1
I./ZG 1 with Bf 110 46/25
II./ZG 1 with Bf 110 52/22

 

STUKAS and SCHLACHTFLIEGER

Part of II./StG 1 with Ju 87 B,D and R 26/13 [figures for entire group]
Stab/StG 2 with Bf 110, Ju 87 and Fw 189 13/6
I./StG 2 with Ju 87D 27/14
II./StG 2 with Ju 87D 26/13
Erg Staffel/StG 2 with Ju 87B ?/?
I./StG 77 with Ju 87D and R 30/22
II./StG 77 with Ju 87 B, D and R 11/? [figures for 31 August 1942]
III./StG 77 with Ju 87 27/13
Stab/SchG 1 with Bf 109E 7/4
I./SchG 1 with Bf 109E 47/23
II./SchG 1 with Hs 123 and Hs 129 33/21
III./SchG 1 with Bf 109E ?/?

 

 

 

Here is the TOE on 20 August 1942 for Luftflotte 4
Source is Black Cross Red Star Vol. 3 by C. Bergström, A. Dikov and V. Antipov Published by Eagles Editions in 2006

 

 

150 vs 170, close, can't be sure as some of the stuka totals are mixes of other aircraft.  Yep need Bf110's...

[LG1.Klein]

It would be great if they could add the 110. It is a significant aircraft for the time and not sure why it would not be in the initial release. The Ostfront was the 110 second lease on life. I'm quite certain that it was present in substantial enough numbers to warrant its existence.

[Felix58]

Would be keen to see the 110 on the roster!

[ShamrockOneFive]

My guess is that it would show up as an addon aircraft fairly quickly and the reason we don't have it in the initial release is time and resources. It's double the work with a pilot and a gunner seat and they are already giving us a good number of multi-station aircraft.

[Foobar]

I'm pretty sure that a Bf 110 will follow short after release.

 

/imo

[Bearcat]

I agree..

[theOden]

I'll buy it without hesitation.

[Lusekofte]

The BF-110-F , F2, G2(late) was present in The Stalingrad front late in war most pilots where transfered to Nightfighters . The problem with the 110 in Eastfront was that most battles took place in low altitude witch is preatty lethal for a 110 crew. But they where present in a large number and did a good job in all types of missions. (Artilleryspotting, CAP , BarCAP, Groundpounding you name it and it probably did it) I would be perfectly happy if we got the E7

Look at it, how can you not have it in the game

[Foobar]

ZG 1 even have had some success in fighting planes. When I./ZG1 was there from 06.1942 until 07.1943 and II./ZG1 from 01.1942 until 03.1932 they shot down about 100 fighter planes and a dozend Il-2 Sturmoviks.

 

On 25.03.1942 some Bf 110s of I./ZG1 shot down four Lagg3 within 20 minutes. Two days later they downed two MiG3 and one Lagg3 within 8 minutes. On 10.05.1943 they downed five fighter planes within 35 minutes.

 

The 110 doesn't seem to be a useless lame duck Without any doubt she was one of the most versatile and successful planes of WW2.

[The-Mysteron]

For such an important aircraft that did take part in the BOS not to be included in this sim is

just plain wrong. However i am hoping that it will be released at a later date maybe as an

add on .

[Foobar]

It didn't take part into the BoS directly. Only support around it.

[vyyye]

It would be great if they could add the 110. It is a significant aircraft for the time and not sure why it would not be in the initial release. The Ostfront was the 110 second lease on life. I'm quite certain that it was present in substantial enough numbers to warrant its existence.

If I recall correctly it was present in very small numbers on the Eastern front, only one ZG were equipped with them.

Edited August 14, 2013 by vyyye

[79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer]

I'm pretty sure that a Bf 110 will follow short after release.

 

/imo

 

Until it does, I'll guess we can do what some did back in IL2, using the P2 with a grey camo and Balkenkreuzen as a substitute.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

Yes more then likly a deadline issue hope to see it later.

[TJT]

If I recall correctly it was present in very small numbers on the Eastern front, only one ZG were equipped with them.

 

But in very "large" numbers compered to  Fw 190's at Stalingrad. 

[Sven]

BF110 with the wasp skin! Yes please!

[DD_Crash]

The 110 would be very handy for any Med expansion pack.

[ST_ami7b5]

^^ this!

[Meteor2]

I have always been a "friend" of the Bf 110 and would buy it without question.
With Team Daedalus and Il2 1946 there had been plans (if I remember it correctly) to implement the night fighter version with radar.

Unfortunately it never happend.

So I am hoping for a quick add-on of the 110 after the release of BoS.

[vyyye]

But in very "large" numbers compered to  Fw 190's at Stalingrad. 

Hard to argue that one. I do hope the 110 does come eventually.

[Finkeren]

+1 for the Bf 110 as soon as posible after launch, closely followed by the Ju 52.

[9./JG52Ziegler]

I too ferverently hope that the Zerstorer's are included in the plane set.  

[royraiden]

I would also like to see the 110 in BOS.

[-JG2-SilencerBF]

Do we get some aircrafts which are added later for free/unlock and only some as premium aircrafts/purchase (like the la5/fw190) or how does it work?

[Finkeren]

Do we get some aircrafts which are added later for free/unlock and only some as premium aircrafts/purchase (like the la5/fw190) or how does it work?

 

After launch I think they're gonna operate it somewhat like RoF, where you can purchase them individually and preorder them at a lower price, when they're first announced.

 

I don't know that this is the case, but it seems reasonable, since it can generate revenue without having to make and sell an entire expansion pack.

[Sim]

I think it will be a mixed model: some planes will be released in the store for separate purchase and some will come with expansions and new theaters/operations. But don't count on my word I doubt we will see any free planes however.

[TheBlackPenguin]

I think it will be a mixed model: some planes will be released in the store for separate purchase and some will come with expansions and new theaters/operations. But don't count on my word I doubt we will see any free planes however.

 

True, other than variants which can be unlocked like the 109G version. Don't discount the odd freebie either, 777 have been generous now and again as they were with the GBR version of the N.17 (it was free if you had already purchased the original N.17), although things maybe different with the 1C/777 partnership. Actually excited to see how this pans out.

[Matt]

I would also like to have the 110 in BoS. But i think it's not too doubful, that it will be one of the first planes which will be added after the release, because it's quite unique (for an Axis plane) as a two-seater fighter or fighter-bomber. Wouldn't surprise me if they would add it as the first German plane type (after the Macchi or IAR). And it's also quite popular.

 

I don't think they'll sell expansion/theatres together with planes in one pack.

 

I expect that they'll release planes and theatres sepearately. They did exactly that with ROF and it seems to work. Also no reason to force people unncessarily to buy an expansion so that you can fly a certain planetype in/during BoS.

 

I would also guess that the "unlocking" of the Yak 1 and the 109 G2 is just an exception. There is just a lot of work going into these planes to just have them unlocked for free. Maybe for plane variants which don't differ too much from each other, this might work.

[Zorin]

My only fear is that they approach the Bf 110 like Olg did in the past and that would be to build two versions without realizing that any plane type that is based on the same frame for all its various versions needs to have all its versions preplaned in the modelling stage to take advantage of that very fact. I tried my best to mod the C version into an extended tail E and failed simply because the skin file did not allow for it as there was no space left. So you either know your planes when you build a flight sim or don't bother. A med scenario without the proper types with extended tails or a BoB scenrio without Dackelbauch modifications due to bad planing in the modelling stage would be extremly daft.

[FuriousMeow]

I would also guess that the "unlocking" of the Yak 1 and the 109 G2 is just an exception. There is just a lot of work going into these planes to just have them unlocked for free. Maybe for plane variants which don't differ too much from each other, this might work.

 

 

I suspect the "free" unlocks are only for the pre-orders. When the official release occurs/pre-orders end, we'll see a different purchasing option at that stage. Those individuals will probably have to purchase the 109G and Yak1.

 

Just what I'm thinking, because remember pre-orders get bonuses for supporting early.

[Sim]

I suspect the "free" unlocks are only for the pre-orders. When the official release occurs/pre-orders end, we'll see a different purchasing option at that stage. Those individuals will probably have to purchase the 109G and Yak1.

 

No, this has already been answered. Pre-orders get a "free" La-5 and Fw-190 A-3, while Standard editions will have to buy them separately. Yak-1 and Bf 109 G-2 are unlocked with single-player for both editions.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Sim

[FuriousMeow]

Yes, both editions of pre-orders. I made no distinction between either one.

 

I'm talking about when pre-orders end, when the game releases.

Edited August 14, 2013 by FuriousMeow

[TJT]

I suspect the "free" unlocks are only for the pre-orders. When the official release occurs/pre-orders end, we'll see a different purchasing option at that stage. Those individuals will probably have to purchase the 109G and Yak1.

 

Just what I'm thinking, because remember pre-orders get bonuses for supporting early.

 

Uhmm, the bonus for preorder is:

Standard Edition: Il-2 two seater fieldmod unlocked without having to aquire it through the campaign. (if order placed befor 1 September)

Premium Editon: Dito to above plus it gives you 2 additional planes, FW 190A-3 and La-5. (not sure of the deadline date for the Premium Edition)

 

The Yak-1 and Bf 109G-2 are not something you recive as a preorder bonus, they are unlocks for progress in the game and have nothing to do with the preorders.

[FuriousMeow]

Apparently reading comprehension is a little tough these days.

[TJT]

Apparently reading comprehension is a little tough these days.

 

 

As you stat something above which is wrong according to 1CGS and getting corrected you throw that at us?

 

Yak-1 and Bf 109G-2 are in the base game EVERYONE gets, even those buying the game after release. The only thing about them is that they are not available to fly when you install the game, even if you do preorder. As they designed it now they are ONLY available as unlocks for progressing in the games campaign, not bought in the shop. This is ofc subject to change as any feature in a yet released game, but that is how it is aimed at working now.

Edited August 14, 2013 by TJT