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Poll: what non-German fighter would you like to see in IL-2 BoS?

  

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  1. 1. What non-German fighter would you like to see in IL-2 BoS?

    • IAR 80
      422
    • Macchi C.202 Folgore
      489


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17 combat sorties for the 202....

 

 

And only 1 combat mission to Stalingrad area for whole 4 month at the front...

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IAR 80/81 - 106 votes at the moment. Over 50 IAR80/81 were employed directly over Stalingrad area  from september 1942 to january 1943.

 

Gr.6.BoPi (IAR 81):

It had spent 138 days on the front, of which 81 of fighting. 255 missions were flown (718 sorties) of which 30 missions were dive-bombing missions. 22.6 tons of bombs were dropped and 26 victories were confirmed. Another two remained probable. 11 IARs were lost in combat (8 in dogfights and 3 were shot down by the AAA).  

 

 

Gr.8.Van (IAR80A/B):

During the second campaign of ARR, the 8th Fighter Group was on the front for about 90 days. It made 668 sorties in 196 missions (94 bomber escort, 71 free-hunting, 27 airfield defense, 4 reconnaissance) and achieved only 15 confirmed victories in 10 dogfights. It lost 3 airplanes, which were destroyed on the ground by Soviet bombers. The overall ace of the two campaigns in the group was teh same adj. av. Teodor Zabava with 11 confirmed kills. 

 

 

 Macchi 202: 75 vots at the moment. Only 12 Macchi 202 were employed on Eastern Front, and all og=f them - to support Italian Army far from Stalingrad - Millerovo-Voroshilovgrad area.

At the beginning of the Soviet offensive they were deployed at the Stalino, Lughansk, Kantemirovka and Millerovo airfields, fighting against the Red Army positions on the east Don river during October???

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No P-39 during the Battle of Stalingrad :( :

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-39/index.htm

 

No Hurrricanes during the Battle of Stalingrad :( :

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/index.htm

 

 

P-40 during the Battle of Stalingrad :) :

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/index.htm

 

 

Great site by the way, full of relevant info:

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/index.htm

Excellent sites!!

Of the two listed I would just prefer the one that was most historically relevant.. If that s the IAR 80 so be it.. I really do not care because my hopes for this product are so high and although I have been burned 3 times over the last decade (CFS3, CoD & WoP/WT) with this sim thing and raised hopes..  I am pretty confident that in this case my hopes are pretty well placed.. You guys know which plane I am looking forward to most of all... ;) but I know I probably won't see that for at least 18-36 months.. so I will take what works and ride the horse I am on knowing that eventually I am going to get where I want to be and get the pony I really want... :) pun intended... :happy:

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by far the IAR 80/81 series!

it can be used as a fighterbomber too ( the Mc202 not) , the couldbe weaponmodifications:

-6x 7,92mm MG

-4x 7,92mm MG&2x 13mm MG

-4x 7,92mm MG&2 x 20mm canon ( not the MG 151/20, they came later

 

another choice could be the Mc200 ! flew in much greater numbers at the easterfront than the 202, an could be used as fighterbomber too :)

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Voted IAR 80 as well simply as it the historically correct aircraft to put in. . . .

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IAR 80 of course :P

Edited by Corto

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A bit tough decision. The Folgore would probably be the wiser choice, keeping other theatres in mind. But for BoS the IAR 80 makes more sense and i don't think there would only be one non-German axis fighter, so i voted for the IAR and hope that we'll eventually see both (probably when or before getting close to North Africa, if that actually happens in the future).

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The Macchi 202 Folgore is the aircraft of the Royal Air Force Italian representative in Russia. On 4 May 1942 he enters on duty on the Russian front.

 

 

 

Voss

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I voted for the Foglore first, but after reading this thread I changed my vote for the IAR 80. In an ideal world I'd like both of course. There is a good chance we'll see the Italian beauty on a later stage, but this seem the only chance for getting the Hungarian one.

Edited by 79_vRAF_Friendly_flyer

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IAR 80 flew for Romania  :)  Hungarians actually used Italian planes mostly, not Folgores of course but RE.2000s for fighter role

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Attention, and the IAR 80 is historically correct, even the Macchi 202 is historically correct, in the Russian theater of war came into service May 4, 1942 with the 21GCT in Stalino.

 

Voss

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Eastern Front operations[edit source | editbeta]

In May 1942, the 22° Gruppo Caccia, that had reached its operational limit, was replaced by the newly formed 21° Gruppo Autonomo C.T. composed of 356ma, 382ma, 361ma and 386ma Squadriglia. This unit, commanded by Maggiore (Major) Ettore Foschini, brought new C.202s and 18 new Macchi C.200 fighters.[41] In August 1942, at the beginning of the Soviet offensive they were deployed at the Stalino, Lughansk, Kantemirovka and Millerovo airfields, fighting against the Red Army positions on the east Don river during October–November 1942. the fighters operated in adverse climate conditions (40° to 45° below zero and heavy snow storms) while under heavy Russian fighter-bomber harassment.[citation needed]Under these circumstances, 21° Gruppo - which had 17 C.202s on strength - was rather moderate in deploying the C.202s. Only a total of 17 missions were flown with Folgores on the Eastern Front during a four-month period.[42] The C.202s were forced to escort C.200s alongside Fiat BR.20Ms and Caproni Ca.311s in attacks against Soviet columns, while facing great numbers of new VVS' fighters. The C.202s also escorted CANT Z.1007bis in reconnaissance missions[citation needed] and German transport aircraft. One of these missions was the escort to Junkers Ju 52s flying to Stalingrad, on 11 December 1942, during which Tenente Pilota Gino Lionello was shot down and had to bail out from his Folgore.[42]

After the abandonment of advanced airfields between December 1942 - January 1943 at Voroshilovgrad, Stalino and Tscerkow, the Italian air units operated in defensive actions against a more potent Soviet air offensive, mainly using Ilyushin IL-2s Shturmoviks and Petlyakov Pe-2s. In March 1943, the Corpo Aereo Italiano was detached to Odessa airbase joining Reggiane Re. 2000 Héja I of the Hungarian MKHL 1 and 2/1 Vadászszázad and IAR 80C and Bf 109E/G of Romanian FARR 4 and 5 detached at same base and Saki (Crimea) in a holding action against the V-Vs armada of 2,000 aircraft, at a time when Axis air forces only countered with 300 operative aircraft with very small quantities of fuel, munitions and equipment.[citation needed]

The last effective operation of Corpo Aereo Italiano in Russia occurred on 17 January 1943, when one mixed formation of 25 surviving Macchi fighters (out of a remaining total of 30 C.200s and nine C.202s) attacked Red Army armored and motorized infantry columns to support German and Italian units encircled in Millerovo.[43]

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I agree with those who preferred the hystorical accuracy, BUT don't forget that that they didn't must recreate only history, they must create fun! And the Macchi was without doubt one of the most easy and performance aicraft of the WW2.

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I agree with those who preferred the hystorical accuracy, BUT don't forget that that they didn't must recreate only history, they must create fun! And the Macchi was without doubt one of the most easy and performance aicraft of the WW2.

 +1

 

The best choice for Italy would be the Macchi 200 versus I-16 and LaGG-3, as it was.....

 

..but...

 

...honestly speaking and with all respect for IAR and Macchi 200 itself, the Macchi 202 was a real beauty and it will give us an aicraft also for MTO, and a good base for another higly competitive Axis fighter in WW2: the Macchi 205 Veltro.

 

The real answer to this pool for Stalingrad should have to be however that both the Italians and Romanians were there,....and both these countries would deserve at least one aicraft....but 202 is the best choice for some different reasons.

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I voted IAR 80, and I would like the P40 as LL plane.

 

The Macchis can be added in a Med package with Hurricanes and Spitfires.

Edited by 6S.Manu

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The real answer to this pool for Stalingrad should have to be however that both the Italians and Romanians were there,....and both these countries would deserve at least one aicraft....

 

+1

 

It would be interesting to fight with Macchis, IARs, RE.2000s etc. instead of Bf-109 and FW. Only problem is that it seems most 'customers' would care only for Messerschmitt, FW, Spitfire, Mustang. So you can understand the developers, too

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+1

 

It would be interesting to fight with Macchis, IARs, RE.2000s etc. instead of Bf-109 and FW. Only problem is that it seems most 'customers' would care only for Messerschmitt, FW, Spitfire, Mustang. So you can understand the developers, too

 

+1

I agree, they should be represented both nations with at least one type of airplane.  :cool:

 

Voss

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I vote for 202 why not both? More plane more money ..you know Jason?:)

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I vote the Macchi, I see about the IAR80, but I'm more interested to discover the MC202 performances and flying model, I'm really curious to see how  good (or bad) opponent it is in fighting the Russian warbirds 
 

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IAR 80, absolutely. This is battle of stalingrad. Furthermore, if BOS is succes north africa will likely be the next theatre and we will get MC 202 anyway.

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Given the options given, Axis only, I'll go for the Spaghetti flavour :) 202 ftw.

 

( would pay for a Hawk lend lease pack ! )

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The Romanian air force was the third largest air force on the eastern front after VVS and Luftwaffe. The IAR-80 was active all over the southern sector, witch is relevant for BOS scenario.

   

We are talking about Battle of Stalingrad here.

This is the chance IAR-80/81 has to be part of this game. The Machi 202 is pretty much mandatory part of the Med theatre and WILL be included when the game gets to that theatre.

If you vote for the Machi 202 now, you can simply kill the strongest chance the IAR-80 has to be included in the game as it's the most relevant to the southern areas of the eastern front! Please don't kill this chance!

 

 

The IAR is the historical obvious choice for Stalingrad and eastern front. It can be used in missions all over the south, from the start of Barbarossa,  all the way to Slovakia.

 

Now the mandatory cool pics.

 

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Yes, we really need IAR-80 for Stalingrad. We will get MC 202 with 100% certainty if BoS is a succes. But russians know it better, in russian forum IAR leads 137-83. If we count 197+81=218 and 83+109=192... IAR leads 218-192.  :P

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between these two, I would pick the IAR, although I doubt I would buy either.

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between these two, I would pick the IAR, although I doubt I would buy either.

 

 

 

Vote for the IAR and I'll buy it for you when released. :biggrin:

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Vote for the IAR and I'll buy it for you when released. :biggrin:

 

I did vote for the IAR.

 

Thanks for the offer, but I will probably buy it anyway. In RoF, I bought most of the planes even though I only fly a few regularly. :cool:

Edited by 2Lt_Joch

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