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Poll: what non-German fighter would you like to see in IL-2 BoS?

  

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  1. 1. What non-German fighter would you like to see in IL-2 BoS?

    • IAR 80
      422
    • Macchi C.202 Folgore
      489


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Of course, we'd like to add more aircraft after game's release. What fighter of non-German origin would you be most interested in?

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Definitely the Macchi C.202 as it would be a good first step towards releasing a North Africa addon! ;)

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If its for the Russian front I'd like an IAR 80 or else a Rata. They'd be handy for earlier battles, too.

 

Probably my first choice though would be the Polikarpov Ju52 extremely heavy fighter.

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For the Stalingrad ops the IAR 80 makes more sense. While the C.202 was present with the italian air corps it suffered badly from a lack of spare parts and was grounded for most of the time. Given the general "austerity" ( ;) ) of the planepool at this moment I think contemplating non-eastern front themes/addons may be quite a bit premature.

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Some lend lease aircraft to make the game more attractive to our friends from across the pond would probably be a good thing to add.

 

But of the two choices, if meant for the Stalingrad campaign, I prefer the IAR because of higher historical importance.

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IAR 80 by far of those two. Like csThor wrote, the MC 202's didnt do much more then take up repairshop space. There was only 12 of them and they were spread out among the squadriglias. If anything it would have been more logic to have the MC 200 as a contender in this poll rather then the 202.

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;)

 

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Some lend lease aircraft to make the game more attractive to our friends from across the pond would probably be a good thing to add.

We'll talk about the lend lease planes you'd want to see in the game most in our next polls.

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Whichever plane fits the Russian maps best. Based on what people said looks like the IAR wins. Plus it's a cool plane.

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We'll talk about the lend lease planes you'd want to see in the game most in our next polls.

I guess that's good news for a lot of people around here. :)

 

FWIW: Same poll on the Russian forum has three times as many votes. Be more active, folks!

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An Italian plane would be lovely, really like the addition of those planes in Clod. If there were any present I think the Cr 42 Falco would be perfect, it could carry bombs and is quite a good match-up with soviet planes like the I-15, I-16 and I-153.

 

 

As a fighter plane maybe the Re 2000 could be featured flying for the Hungarians, who, according to wikipedia, flew it in operation 'Case Blue'.

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No chance for Macchi, as IAR's were widely engaged over Stalingrad directly in september 42 - january 1943.

 

There were only 12 Folgores on Eastern Front, and all of them were very far from Stalingrad, and flew only 17 combat missions during 4 month of operations.

 

IAR80 and 81 would be very interesting to create largest (after German) Axis air force on Eastern Front in 1942-43.

 

Gr.6.Van

 

 

The unit returned to its base at Pipera and in January 1942, as more IARs became available, it started the transition from the P.24E to the IAR-81. Thus the group also received the "Bopi" (Bombardament in Picaj=Dive Bombing) title. The entire summer was dedicated to training on the new aircraft, as the 2nd Fighter Flotilla (to which the group was assigned) was preparing for war.

 

On 31 August the 6th Fighter Group received the order for departure on the front. It was put under the command of lt. cdor. av. Nicolae Radulescu and was made up of two squadrons: the 61st and the 62nd. They left on 3 September in formations of 8 aircraft each on the route Targsor-Galati-Odessa. Thenext day they continued to Melitopol. However an unfortunate incident occured. The IAR no. 153 flown by slt. av. Bujor Botezatu collided with no. 233 flown by lt. av. Vasile Fortu, resulting in the death of the first. Also adj. av. Dumitru Ilie damaged his IAR-81 no. 163 during landing. Things did not go very well the next day either. Adj. av. Constantin Cameni destroyed his aircraft after running out fuel and making an emergency landing on a field. The same thing happened on 6 September to adj. av. Vasile Chiriac.

 

Despite all these problems the 6th Fighter Group had reached the Tusov airfield, near Stalingrad, on7 September. The first two missions were flown two days later, totalling 8 sorties. But the first victories came on 13 September when slt. av. Olimp Avram and adj. av. Pompiliu Georgescu each shot down one Yak during a free hunt mission (of the three flown that day). Also adj. av. Gheorghe Pisoschi claimed a Soviet bomber, but it remained unconfirmed.

 

The next day was even more prolific, the pilots of the 61st Fighter Squadron claiming four Yaks, for the loss of one aircraft. On 15 September another four bomber escort missions (with 14 sorties), another three Yaks claimed (of which two confirmed) and another loss: adj. av. Nicolae Solomon. The following day (16 September) the pilots of the 62nd Fighter Squadron clashed with 6 Yak-1s, claiming four of them.

 

On 17 September the 6th Fighter Group flew four bomber escort missions (16 sorties). During the second one, the four IAR-81s engaged four Yaks and adj. stg. av. Florian Budu shot down one. By 1944 he became the highest scoring IAR ace with 16 victories. The third mission was practically identical and slt. av. Ioan Grama scored his first kill. On the last mission of the day, as they were returning to base, the four IAR-81s stumbled upon a formation of 10-12 Soviet bombers and before their escorts could intervene, slt. av. Mircea Dumitrescu shot down a Pe-2. The group also suffered a loss, when slt. av. Olimpiu Avram crash landed his IAR-81 no. 237 near German forward position. But because the Soviets managed to occupy the area for a short while, the aircraft was lost. During the night, 7 or 8 bombers attacked the airfield, lightly damaging one fighter.

 

The group suffered two losses the following day, one of the pilots being listed as MIA. The other managed to safely bail out. Two days later, another pilot, slt. av. Mihai Weber, was declared MIA, after a bomber escort mission.

 

The Romanian pilots took their revenge on 27 September, when two IAR-81s clashed with 15 Yaks over Stalingrad. Slt. av. Olimpiu Avram managed to shoot down one of the Soviet fighters, but adj. av. Anghel Niculescu was wounded. He, however, managed to make an emergency landing. The airplane was repairable. The escort missions continued the next days without problems.

 

On 1 October, the 6th Fighter Group had 25 IAR-81s in its inventory.

Two days later 10 IAR-81s (six in the first mission and four in the second) hit targets in Stalingrad, while other two flew a free hunting mission. In the morning of 4 October seven IAR-81s struck Soviet positions north of the city. Three hours later another six dive-bombers attacked the same area, with good results. One aircraft was damaged by Soviet AAA. The next day, at 0700, four IAR-81s took off with the mission to bomb the Stalingrad Tractor Factory. The AA defence was very strong and two of the airplanes were damaged, but they all scored direct hits.

 

The group moved to Morozovskaya airfield for winter. But during the following days they also used the Bakovskaya and Pereleasovsky airfields, in order to be able to execute all the escort missions they were required to.

 

After the Red Army broke the front in November 1942, the group was employed in ground attack and recon missions, when the weather permitted. Thus was lost adj. sef av. Vasile Truica, who was shot down by AAA north of Chernicherskaya.

They started December with two bomber escort missions on 1 and one escort mission the second day. On 6 December, the 8th Fighter

 

Group started to prepare to return home, leaving some of its pilots to the 6th Fighter Group.

A very odd event occurred on 7 December, when, during an escort mission, adj. av. Gheorghe Pisoschi got lost in the myst and stumbled upon three Yaks. He attacked them by surprise, hit one which collided with a second one, both exploding and going down in flames. The same day another dogfight took place between two IAR-81s escorting some He-111s and two Yaks, the Soviets being forced to disengage.

 

Because of the fact that the number of serviceable aircraft had declined drastically, the 6th Fighter Group was reorganized with material transferred from the 8th Fighter Group, which left on 9 December. The 61st Fighter Squadron received IAR-80A & Bs, while all the IAR-81s were amassed in the 62nd.

 

The IARs continued to escort Romanian He-111s and German Stukas the next days. Fighting peaked on 12 December when were flown also five dive-bomber missions by the 62nd Squadron. The village Nis - Kalinovsky was set on fire, while the village Zhubovsky was attacked four times. A Yak was claimed by the IARs escorting their colleagues. The next day the group executed 14 missions (45 sorties), of which four in direct support of Romanian ground forces struggling on the river Chir (the 2nd Corps). Four tanks were destroyed and effects on another armored column could not be onserved. The rest were bomber escort missions. Only two were free hunts. During the last one 3 UAR-80s clashed with Yaks, claiming three (but only one was confirmed later).

 

On 20 December, the group enjoyed some considerable success. At 0830 8 IAR-80s took off on an escort mission for Romanian JRS-79Bs which were supposed to attack Bukovsky. At 0900 the formation was attacked by 5 Yaks. Two minutes later another four Yaks joined the dogfight. However, two Soviet fighters were shot down by slt. av. Baciu and by adj. av. Cocebas. At 0915 another 3 Yaks attacked and adj. av. Cocebas bagged his second victory that day. But they spotted two Il-4s, unescorted and slt. Baciu attacked, claiming one of them. However, it was not confirmed and it remained only a probable kill. Later that day, during another escort mission, 7 IAR-80Bs clashed with 7 Yak-1s, each side losing one aircraft.

 

The intense activity of the 6th Fighter Group drawed the attention of the VVS, which the following day replied by bombing the Morozovskaya airfield. The returning IARs chased the bombers away, adj. Gheorghe Cocebas scoring his fifth kill. It was also the last kill of the 6th Fighter Group in the 1942 campaign.

On 23 December the unit moved to the Tatchinskaya airfield, where it remained until the end of the year. On 2 January the group moved once again, this time to Rostov.

 

The first missions in 1943 were flown on 6 January, all escorting He-111s. But the low temperatures proved too much for the IAR 14KIVc32 engines, which experienced a lot of problems. It was decided to retreat the unit to Melitopol, where on 23 January it entered an official refitting period.

 

It had spent 138 days on the front, of which 81 of fighting. 255 missions were flown (718 sorties) of which 30 missions were dive-bombing missions. 22.6 tons of bombs were dropped and 26 victories were confirmed. Another two remained probable. 11 IARs were lost in combat (8 in dogfights and 3 were shot down by the AAA).

 

In February 1943 the group started the trip to the Targsor airbase in Romania, where it was supposed to re-enter in the air defence system of the Prahova Valley. In May, the 59th Fighter Squadron joined the 6th Fighter Group.

 

 

 

 

Gr.8.Van.

 

 

On 3 September the 8th Fighter Group started its journey to the front at Stalingrad and arrived there on 7, with the 41st, 42nd and 60th Fighter Squadron. The 59th was detached to the defense of Ploesti and remained in Romania. The first missions from the airfield at Tusov where flown on 9 September and the first victory of the campaign came the next day, when cpt. av. Traian Gavriliu shot down a Yak-1.

 

More came the next days. On 12 they claimed 7, but only 3 were confirmed. 17 September was a busy day. Early in the morning, a patrul?

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Thx Bersrk. This is precisely why "KeWl" doesn't always equate useful ;)

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Cool.

 

And yes, the IAR is so much more relevant! C'mon guys - be a team! Vote for the one I want! ;

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IAR 80!

 

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Much prefer the Macchi C.202. Simply too beautiful an aircraft to ignore because of it's historical insignificance in the BoS. It's definitely one I'd buy were it ever to be offered as a paid add-on. 

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I guess that's good news for a lot of people around here. :)

 

FWIW: Same poll on the Russian forum has three times as many votes. Be more active, folks!

Which one is most popular on the russian forum?

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I have to admit that the Macchi C.202 is a much more attractive looking plane than the IAR 80.

But for a flightsim that tries to be historically correct as good as possible in  plane set, airfields, skins, missions, campaigns etc. it would be a logical step to choose the IAR 80. As it played a role during the Battle of Stalingrad.

So basically I don't understand this poll.

 

Imagine that the Macchi C.202 will be added to the plane set I bet that after the game release (when many more people will join the forums) users starts to complain 'Why did you guys add a plane that hardly saw combat during the Battle of Stalingrad'. 'Wouldn't it be better to add something like the....', '   A pity you added this insignificant plane', 'What a waste of time and energy to create a plane like this for BoS', 'Historically incorrect'.

Just to mention a few comments to expect by then.

 

But it seems that our Russian friends prefer the IAR 80:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.su/topic/409-kakoj-istrebitel-iz-stran-osi-interesen/

 

 

I hope that the Po-2 biplane will be added. I've already asked for it in the Questions for Developers topic. ;)

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I hope we will have Romanian IARs and Emils for Battle of Stalingrad :)

 

On russian forum IAR leads 65 vs 30 for Macchi, because there are not so much Italian pilots, as here :)

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We'll talk about the lend lease planes you'd want to see in the game most in our next polls.

Hip! Hip! Hooray!  :thank_you:  :happy:

 

IAR 80 for first non-German Axis fighter

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In case it turns out to be the IAR 80 to be included in the game don't forget to remove the lower part of the wheel spats.

In wintertime they were removed to avoid clogging the wheels with snow and mud.

(Sorry for being a bit pedantic. ;) )

 

 

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Did the P-39 see service during the Battle of Stalingrad?It is a weird and somewhat ugly plane but Im sure I would like it if I got a chance to fly it.

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Not that I'm aware of. IIRC it became operational at Murmansk in 1942 and remained pretty much limited to that area until 1943.

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No P-39 during the Battle of Stalingrad :( :

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-39/index.htm

 

No Hurrricanes during the Battle of Stalingrad :( :

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/index.htm

 

 

P-40 during the Battle of Stalingrad :) :

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/romanenko/p-40/index.htm

 

 

Great site by the way, full of relevant info:

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/index.htm

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Thanks a lot for voting folks!

I must admit that results are different on this and on the Ru forum (they mostly prefer IAR). So we'll need to discuss this question further here in the office, and also consider the possible rival for MC202/IAR.

Thus I'm starting abother poll regarding lend-lease planes that fought for Soviet Union.

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If the voting is close - is the English forums rate the Macchi while the Russian ones prefer the IAR, wouldn't it make sense to decide based on historical impact?

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I think I know a good solution - do both. :D

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Historical impact/ effectiveness/numbers involved... :)

 

Then there shouldnt even have been a vote, not between these two at least. ;)

17 combat sorties for the 202....

 

Good to know the russian forums are leaning more towards substance rather then looks.  :P

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