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I was just playing a round in IL2 1946, my 190 was shot to bits and its engine had quit I was trying to glide back across to the German lines when a Spitfire attacked. I was able to dodge most of his rounds but he soon came back slowed down and got right behind me and fired I was about 100 feed in the air and there was nothing I could do. He clearly saw that my engine was out during his first pass and I even told him so but he still wanted to steal someone else victory (I had been in a dog fight with two P-51Ds), I don't believe that is flying with honor. If a planes engine out I let it go or if a pilot says his elevators have been rendered useless I will let him go as neither of those situation present a challenge to me and don't allow him to fight back. Also I will never shoot a pilot in his chute, doing any of those things is just flying dishonorably and that's not how I fly.

How do you fly like a ruthless cut throat or a knight of the air?

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I try my best to fly with honor.  If someone takes a cheap shot at me though (I'm landing) then I consider it as free game.

 

I generally only vulch when I'm in a dogfight over the airfield.  Keeps me from getting tag teamed.

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Honour is for early WW1 air war. Became a nasty business ever since the middle of WW1. I doubt there was much chivalry shown on the eastern front. The only things that would stop me finishing off a stricken E/A is ammo conservation and not wanting to lose altitude and energy needlessly. 

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Honour is for early WW1 air war. Became a nasty business ever since the middle of WW1. I doubt there was much chivalry shown on the eastern front. The only things that would stop me finishing off a stricken E/A is ammo conservation and not wanting to lose altitude and energy needlessly. 

Your wrong there several German pilots showed mercy to their Russian foes, Ie Barkhorn, and the Count and Im sure there are others but we havent heard their stories. Franz Stigler let a very damaged B-17 go in fact he flew with it over the German flack batterys so they wouldn't shoot it down.

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I also try to fly with honor. When I shoot at a car I try to hit only at tires to stop it because I don't want to kill defenseless driver accidentally. I don't bomb tanks because I don't want to kill all the tank team. When I fire at enemy aircraft I don't want to hit it, only to scare a pilot and make him fly far far away. 

 

But I'm so bad shooter....

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You're citing some exceptions which are talked about and stand out precisely because they were not the norm. The majority of pilots made sure of kills. For every Franz Stigler escorting a B-17 there was a hundred other guys finishing off stricken bombers to make sure they didn't get back to the UK. Sometimes pilots might have shown pity but it wasn't the norm and as losses amongst pilots' squadron grew would be even less likely to occur.

 

When it comes to online mp in BOS I'm expecting it to be pretty pitiless for the most part which will be mostly realistic. 

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i dont, i start to cry and when the guy goes away in disgust i throw dust at his eyes and kick him in the groinch ;)

 

so youre vulched?

 

so what you have unlimited lifes get over it and dont become the accuser who accuse accusers

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One of these days I was at one of the MP servers, and flying a Yak-1. The server is one of those where both sides can chose any airplane, so, I had made a few kills of  Bf109s and was now fighting a Yak-1... The guy was easily turned inside and shot down twice, and then I realized something was wrong with his aircraft, and sent a public message asking how much fuel he was carrying...  While sending him the messages I folowed his aircraft but very close, but never shot. He answered 100%, so I told him, set itto 30%, or less, and you easily get away from my poor tactics...

 

He left, came back and this time on the same team, as I was heading towards another aircraft. He flew next to me and ... shot me down ( ??? ). I asked what had happened and he answered - It was snipers....

 

Well, not the best example of flying with honor :-/

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Nah,  I'm mean,  uncorrect and tend to be a smartass. 

Nothing I can compare to Online Shooters though,  that's where I become simply disgusting. 

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Well it depends on a game, really.

 

My squad actively flies 1946. When we are in one of our co-ops with members of other squads and pilots unassociated with any squad - that we see regularly, we are all usually on one teamspeak. Everyone knows everyone so they know about "the conduct".

 

"The conduct" means no shoulder shooting, no kill thefts, no murder. You may ask what "the murder" means. It's when one of the guys flies for opposing side, receives a lot of damage and intends to put the machine down and he gets shot down nonetheless. That's "murder". All the guys we fly with use their navigation lights to indicate they yield. And it doesn't happen often. You know the drill: you're so often too low to safely bail out when you have lost a wing. 

 

You associate yourself with the sort of people who are likeminded. That's common sense. So you play with or against people who respect one another, no more to it.

 

Games on servers though... So many people you never came across or met just once before, to realize everything goes there. Thus you're never back.

 

This is a game, true. Chivalry was not common in WW2, true. But it doesn't mean we have to withdraw our humanity just for the sake of "internet kill". It is down to us, flying community, to prove the idea of chivalry in the skies is immortal and does pretty well. It is down to everyone to decide if they want to get back to a duel with someone who fights dirty.

 

My 5 cents.

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Well it depends on a game, really.

 

My 5 cents.

 

Well I do not fly MP, only SP, however if I did that is how I would like to see it.

 

Sounds like a pretty good nickels' worth to me.

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I fly with honour- i do not cheat.

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I fly with honor. I invaded other country shooting and murdering with my guns enemy soldiers. My friends from bomber team drop bombs over cities murdering countless number of people living there. Every time I press the trigger my guns spit deadly bullets.

 

But I speak to my self I fly with honor.

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S!

 

 I do not use cheats or "game the game". That is my honor if want to call it that. The rest is just a game.

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How do you fly like a ruthless cut throat or a knight of the air?

Choosing from those two, definately ruthless cut throat.

 

But i don't curse using the chat, shoot at friendlies or cheat. And i don't plan to shoot at parachutes, so if you ever get in that situation again, bail out.

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Well...Multiplayer is something special. It's more like a sport contest and therefore I see no need to finish off an allready wrecked and gliding 'enemy'.

 

But I'm a singleplayer guy. And in an historical kontext I do my best to really blast my adversary into oblivion if there is not another thread in my neck.

Be asured, that chivalry was not common in WWII.

Even not at the end of WWI.

It was all about to kill Your enemy as it is, was and will ever be in any human conflict.

Of course there were always acts of chivalry, even in infantry warfare, but those acts are mostly lonely and outstanding events that overshine most of the brutal battles that were fought day by day.

 

Sitting in an comfortable office chair in front of an virtual cockpit, it don't take much to act to our freedomtime morale standards.

But who are we, to judge people, who struggeld every day to stay allive. Who saw comrades die.

Of course You would kill the enemy when You encounter him. Especially in an theater of war as the eastern front was.

Regardless if he was out of ammo or outnumbered or whatever disadvantage he may have.

Because tomorrow he will shoot You down in flames and doesn't care about if You are a true knight of the skyes or an ruthless bastard who shoots red crosd trucks.

Thats the reallity. Thats what war is sadly all about.

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I think anyone here can safely say that whenever engaging their target they want to be assured that it's a confirmed kill before finding the next threat. However any well trained cold blooded killer will not risk wasting time chasing down an already heavily crippled aircraft they have spotted and would rather pursue other potential threats. Survivability first, kills second.

 

There is also principles to consider when flying. Imagine a truly talented pilot being engaged by three opponents. He/she manages to cripple one enemy aircraft which leaves him/her to deal with the other two literally clutching to straws for survival. Meanwhile the crippled enemy aircraft looks to be going for home with little chance. In my mind who would possibly want to waste time on a challenge less affair when you could be changing the tide of battle. Not to mention you would be stealing someone's hard earned kill.

 

​I think it has less to do about honour but more about principles. Oh and if you actually want to be a good pilot or not. ;)

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The notion of honour in a computer game for ages eight and over seems a little silly to me.  Rather I would say that I try to be considerate of others while playing.

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If I think someone has already been shot down I will save my ammo.  If I think they haven't been shot down, I will shoot them down.  Honor has nothing to do with any of it.

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I fly with honor in treating these types of flight simulations as simulations and not as "games".  So much of what I've learned about WW2 was from my father who somehow managed to live through all that Hell.  It would have been in my mind disrespectful to him and the millions of others who fought.....and died in that conflict to look on this as merely a "game".  I fly with that in mind, trying to immerse myself as much as I can into the simulation of air combat.  I know...it is after all a game, but for me, and I believe many of my brother simmers out there, it's an adventure into history and a way to honor those that actually lived and died in it.  So from ages 8 and up.......if you grow up thinking this is just a game, you might find yourself sadly mistaken someday.  As computer simulations become even more real like through technology advancements.....I think this is something we need to keep in mind.  

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I try and show my opponents and team mates at least as much respect as they show me and the other players.

 

In the case of the OP, as a P-51 pilot, I would have given you a chance to bail, but would have shot you down thereafter for good unless there had been a benefit for my team in keeping you alive - such as you not being back at your base immediately to spawn a with a new aircraft instead of spending minutes trying to nurse a damaged plane back home. As the Spitfire pilot, I probably wouldn't have engaged you. As the Fw pilot, I probably would have tried to reach friendly lines and cursed at the Spitfire, but at some point would have realized it was my fault, because I should have bailed.

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I was just playing a round in IL2 1946, my 190 was shot to bits and its engine had quit I was trying to glide back across to the German lines when a Spitfire attacked. I was able to dodge most of his rounds but he soon came back slowed down and got right behind me and fired I was about 100 feed in the air and there was nothing I could do. He clearly saw that my engine was out during his first pass and I even told him so but he still wanted to steal someone else victory (I had been in a dog fight with two P-51Ds), I don't believe that is flying with honor. If a planes engine out I let it go or if a pilot says his elevators have been rendered useless I will let him go as neither of those situation present a challenge to me and don't allow him to fight back. Also I will never shoot a pilot in his chute, doing any of those things is just flying dishonorably and that's not how I fly.

How do you fly like a ruthless cut throat or a knight of the air?

This type of behavior surely isnt nice. Best way to get over it is to just stand above it. Its just a game after all.

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Honour? save that for real life, the whole point of these games is nobody is really being killed, if it ends up in your gunsights and it's not on your team......kill it.

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Vulching and attack planes at landing was a common practice against the Luftwaffe at half of the 44 to 45.

 

Flying at any side in multiplayer, I am sticking to the rules of the server  :salute: 

If the server or/and  online airwar do not have rules is more realistic  :) 

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Honour? save that for real life, the whole point of these games is nobody is really being killed, if it ends up in your gunsights and it's not on your team......kill it.

"it"?

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Vulching and attack planes at landing was a common practice against the Luftwaffe at half of the 44 to 45.

 

Flying at any side in multiplayer, I am sticking to the rules of the server  :salute: 

If the server or/and  online airwar do not have rules is more realistic  :) 

 

I think real life vulching was common practice no matter who.

 

 

"it"?

 

The target........it.

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Well I stick to good old IL2 HL coop days when we all did it right. Fly with honor, win with honor and lose with dignity.

 

There can be exceptions to every rule now and then, especially on DF practice servers. But in coops, if I see plane is out and pose little to no treat hoping to just survive and land, I always let it go (even in games where it won't give me credit, for me it's enough that I know how it went down, not what some log file or chat message says).

 

But unlike some, I do not salute to each and every fight, just to ones where fight was exceptional in some way (either someone turned advantage and won when I had upper hand, or I managed to down my opponent and he put one hell of a fight). Everything else is just common and normal and not truly worth saluting or you may as well just spam salute macro all day long...

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The notion of honour in a computer game for ages eight and over seems a little silly to me.  Rather I would say that I try to be considerate of others while playing.

I want to fly with honor when I fly in combat in real life (if I ever do) If all goes to plan hopefully I'll be in OCS in about 7 months then on pilot training then either a F-16 or F-15 unit about two and half years from now I'd prefer a Messerschmitt but I'll take what I can get lol.

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I think real life vulching was common practice no matter who. 

 

That's true. During the BOB the RAF could only use coastal bases such as Hawkinge as forward refuel points due to vulching. During the fall of France and the initial stages of Barbarossa the Luftwaffe were also great vulchers and this contributed significantly to their successes. 

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no rules==no honnor for me. If people dont want to get vulched use airspawn. I used to give people a bit of a chance to get up and fight but It has backfired many times also have been vulched so many times myself that I kinda get all Dr Evil with my revenge thesedays. But I do respect server rules.

 

I have always thought rules like no vultching and cant shoot at A/C with landing lights ect was very unrelistic could not imagen that in war. Maybe these rules had to be invented because of the lack of a proper designed game in respect to the progression of a battle. Surley if one side can achive air supremecy over an area thats the others sides failing and they should lose the round for it.

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I fly with joystick. Never tried to fly with honour, so can't really say how it works.

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I fly with joystick. Never tried to fly with honour, so can't really say how it works.

Agree

 

You made me laugh , Really !!

:lol:

 

+1.000.000.000.000.000.000

 

Agree Again .  :biggrin: 

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In BoS, This is all dogfighting currently, so I don't attack planes on the runway, taking off or landing. No point in it. It's like spawn camping in an FPS. Only incompetent players need to do that. The rest of us enjoy an actual challenge. Admittedly I can't always tell when a plane has sufficient damage that they are "leaving" the battle, and not just running to gain altitude & energy to return, so I will continue until they bail or go down. I don't shoulder shoot or compete for kills if I see somebody else is in good position. However if they over shoot or get shook off, I'll jump in. (Unless they're already doing it to me)

 

In WT, I'll put them down. Stops the enemy from repairing/rearming and coming back for a possible match win. If it's a bomber (utterly broken and don't belong) I'll make every attempt to kill it.

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It's a game!  No one throws their cards in the air after losing a hand at Poker screaming "You tricked me with that worried look on your face!  It was just a lie to get me to up the ante!  Where's your honor!"  "Honor" is flying a side you'd rather not fly just to keep the teams even.  

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I want to fly with honor when I fly in combat in real life (if I ever do) If all goes to plan hopefully I'll be in OCS in about 7 months then on pilot training then either a F-16 or F-15 unit about two and half years from now I'd prefer a Messerschmitt but I'll take what I can get lol.

Honor between enemies in war is a myth, Ive only seen fear, savagery, futility, and death. If there is a Satan this is truly his domain and it effects you negatively for the rest of your life.

 

On a more up beat note its just a game and either way the pilot is going down, either a boring landing or as a big ball of fire =p The ball of fire sounds way more interesting!

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