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Not really, just some development process went slower than expected before. However the FM may bring some surprises (as always with our planes) so I just won't promise it is or it is not a special plane.

 

Heh, lol

since you find it funny..any reason why they should not get their place in BOS?

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Maybe it's a bit early for G-10, K-4 and Dora 9? I mean there are few others in between, like A-4/-5/-6/-7/-8, (G-4), G-6 and G-14 :)

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sure its way early! i just listed up something i was looking forward too
we have a lot of other planes that should come before them after all these is very late war planes
so i agree :) only mentioned it because of the DCS D9 video in the first page of this thread
 

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D-9 should make an entrance to the BOS too sooner or later same should the G10 and 262

and same for the K4 :biggrin:

 Pffttt

 

I16, MiG3, 109E

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Maybe it's a bit early for G-10, K-4 and Dora 9? I mean there are few others in between, like A-4/-5/-6/-7/-8, (G-4), G-6 and G-14 :)

 

I think maybe because it's rushing things. The devs are busy working on a Stalingrad release. The later models of all of those are in different battle areas... it'll probably be a while before we see those types. Maybe a Battle of Berlin type scenario in the distant future.

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5tuk4' timestamp='1403032521' post='128642'] Im curious how it will stand up against the La-5 however. There's basicly no competition for it with it's current performance by now, hope the 190 is going to change that.

wat

isn't la-5 outturned outclimbed and outrun by every axis plane (except ju-87) at the moment?

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The La-5 can definately out run the 109s at low altitude and climb with it, maybe even a bit better than the G-2 at least. But it loses that advantage at higher altitude.

 

But i think the 109 is enough competition for the La-5, especially the F-4. And the 190 will probably not be much more useful against the La-5 than the 109 anyway (climbrate, acceleration etc.).

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as far as I tested, la-5 outruns the 109s only with wep on and radiator closed (which burns the engine after 1-2 minutes).

"Climb with it" sounds impossible to me. Even AI at 104 F4 (who never use 1.42 ata) has no problems with climbing away from me. I would be interested in seeing how you manage to get more than 20 m/s of climb in La-5, i.e. gain 1200m height within a minute.

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La5 in real life was outturned and ouctlimbed and also outspeed at medium to high alts by 109. La5 got only similar speed at low alts and good firepower. Later version like La5F and La5FN was more equal opponent for 109.

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Last test I conducted with La-5 I reached 570 km/h with forzah injection and auto engine controll (and only 30% fuel).

It definetly outclasses the Bf109 in high speed acceleration from what I've tested so far, thought we can only tell for sure when it's up in MP and conditions are equal.

 

It used to be a bad turner, but it's FM got adjusted some patches ago - now it handles wonderfull at any manouvres (completely different from lagg-3).

 

Overall I'm afraid of MP being flooded over with La-5s once the Fw comes out, that's why I hope it to be an adequat competitor (from GL to 3000m at least, which is current MP fighting altitude usually).

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Overall I'm afraid of MP being flooded over with La-5s once the Fw comes out, that's why I hope it to be an adequat competitor (from GL to 3000m at least, which is current MP fighting altitude usually).

 

I wouldn't be so sure about the La-5 completely taking over MP. Sure, there's gonna be a short period in the beginning, where everyone will want to try it out online. But at the end of the day, the Yak is still far more geared towards the low n' dirty turn fighting that makes up the majority of online combat. It takes a lot more effort to fly well in the La-5, even if it will propably prove more deadly in the right hands than the Yak, and I think many casual pilots will quickly revert back to the Yak.

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ZAK: Thanks for the info. I'll prepare for a 190 release in @ 3 weeks and if it is sooner it will be "icing on the cake"!

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Last test I conducted with La-5 I reached 570 km/h with forzah injection and auto engine controll (and only 30% fuel).

It definetly outclasses the Bf109 in high speed acceleration from what I've tested so far, thought we can only tell for sure when it's up in MP and conditions are equal.

 

It used to be a bad turner, but it's FM got adjusted some patches ago - now it handles wonderfull at any manouvres (completely different from lagg-3).

 

Overall I'm afraid of MP being flooded over with La-5s once the Fw comes out, that's why I hope it to be an adequat competitor (from GL to 3000m at least, which is current MP fighting altitude usually).

that's what I said, it's able to outrun the 109s at low alts for a short period of time. That was already the only advantage of the La5. On the long run (mind the forsazh 5 min limitation and temps rising very fast with closed radiators) 109s beats it in it too. Above 2km the 109 is superior in literally everything.

Will try to measure the acceleration, but the f4 feels unbeatable in this aspect.

But even if the La5 accelerates better at high speeds (which I am still not sure about) is it really

There's basicly no competition for it

seriously?

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The La-5 can definately out run the 109s at low altitude and climb with it, maybe even a bit better than the G-2 at least. But it loses that advantage at higher altitude.

 

But i think the 109 is enough competition for the La-5, especially the F-4. And the 190 will probably not be much more useful against the La-5 than the 109 anyway (climbrate, acceleration etc.).

FYI

If you read Helmut Liepfert's book, he raced a 190 and the 190 easily pulled away.

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that's what I said, it's able to outrun the 109s at low alts for a short period of time. That was already the only advantage of the La5. On the long run (mind the forsazh 5 min limitation and temps rising very fast with closed radiators) 109s beats it in it too. Above 2km the 109 is superior in literally everything.

Will try to measure the acceleration, but the f4 feels unbeatable in this aspect.

But even if the La5 accelerates better at high speeds (which I am still not sure about) is it really

seriously?

As I said we have to wait for MP first to see how Bf 109s will stand up against it. With the current dogfight server setting you're lucky enought to climb to 2km in your Bf109 before you're getting attacked at your airfield, more so if a La5 can approach you with 570km/h.

 

In real high altitudes (4000-8000m) the Bf109 should beat it hands down, on mid altitude I bet it's close to equal. Low alt however La-5 feels superiour to me. That's basicly my impression of flying it here ingame, not any flight tests or historical evidence saying so (though the La-5 was a good low to mid altitude interceptor).

 

Sure you can challenge it with a 109 any time meating it low, but I don't expect my 109 to perform any superiour. I feel more comfortable flying the La-5 and it's turn characteristics are good enought to pull high G barrelrolls and any other defencive manouvre.

 

So yea, I don't want this to become a conversation about impressions. I presented mine, you're doing good disagreeing with me if you feel different. It's just not worth arguing about it as long as it hasn't been implemented in MP.

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It used to be a bad turner, but it's FM got adjusted some patches ago - now it handles wonderfull at any manouvres (completely different from lagg-3).

 

 

The La  5 is an evolution of the Lagg 3, same wings,  fuselage,  and same tail. ofcourse with new engine , and slats.
But the slats do magic at the  La 5  FM , vs Lagg 3  FM   :dry: 
 
No comments here .
 
" maybe work in progress " 
 
Again ....  :dry: 
 
 
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The La  5 is an evolution of the Lagg 3, same wings,  fuselage,  and same tail. ofcourse with new engine , and slats.
But the slats do magic at the  La 5  FM , vs Lagg 3  FM   :dry: 
 
No comments here .
 
" maybe work in progress " 
 
Again ....  :dry: 
 
 
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I think you need a vacation from this place.

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Just made some tests in near-combat conditions with G2 and La5 (without forsazh but radiator fully closed, it's actually the most efficient this way)

Climb from 200m to 1200m:

G2: 43 sec

La5: 55 sec (45 sec with forsazh and radiator fully closed. It is basically impossible in a combat situation though)

Acceleration 350 kmh -> 450 kmh at 1 km

G2: 14 sec

La5: 22 sec (20 sec forsazh)

I don't know guys which game are you talking about.

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These numbers are bad for the La 5 

Your time is appreciated Tab, thanks for the tests.   ;)

 

Gambit21 you are Right  :(

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I wouldn't be so sure about the La-5 completely taking over MP. Sure, there's gonna be a short period in the beginning, where everyone will want to try it out online. But at the end of the day, the Yak is still far more geared towards the low n' dirty turn fighting that makes up the majority of online combat. It takes a lot more effort to fly well in the La-5, even if it will propably prove more deadly in the right hands than the Yak, and I think many casual pilots will quickly revert back to the Yak.

Agreed. Even with the La-5FN being fairly generous in IL-2 FB there was still a fair number of Yak pilots around. The two cater to slightly different crowds and even more so with a more realistic depiction of the two.

 

Just made some tests in near-combat conditions with G2 and La5 (without forsazh but radiator fully closed, it's actually the most efficient this way)

Climb from 200m to 1200m:

G2: 43 sec

La5: 55 sec (45 sec with forsazh and radiator fully closed. It is basically impossible in a combat situation though)

Acceleration 350 kmh -> 450 kmh at 1 km

G2: 14 sec

La5: 22 sec (20 sec forsazh)

I don't know guys which game are you talking about.

Thanks for doing the actual testing. This is why I keep telling people that their perceptions and reality often differ dramatically and that if something seems wrong... do the tests. Thanks for doing them!

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These numbers are bad for the La 5 

 

Not hardly. They jive very well with what La-5 (not F or FN, specifically) pilots said about their plane in comparison to both the F-4 & the G-2: it was totally outclassed. 

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Tab: thanks for doing an actual test.

 

It clearly shows, that the relationship between the La-5 and G2 is more or less what it should be.

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Guys even in the old Il2 the La5 was like this, with the apperance of the F and FN they had the advantage of speed and climbrate but not the La5 like we have it.

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Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssss

 and YES   :happy:

 

I already got a collection of 20 photos, about the FW 190 gunsight height .

I can draw red and green lines in each of the 20 photos until the end of time or until they the topic get closed
:lol:
 
But the matters is that ... I know who is right.  .... 
 
The original Photos of WWII   :biggrin:

 

 

Wasn't it you who opened even the 109's canopyand stood up inflight? :lol:

I guess that makes you the last one on earth who cares about "TEH BAR" :biggrin:

I don't care for 190 that much, but I want La-5 , it's gathering dust waiting to be unlocked in multiplayer.

 

That indeed makes you care about the 190, because the La-5 won't be available in MP without it's opponent as far as I can tell. :)

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NP. I'd even say that 2 weeks should be enough but I explicitly evade the "in 2 weeks" allusion.

 

2 weeks, be sure! You is wrong :lol:

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Nah, I got little interest in those late war fancy planes. Give me a MiG-3, an I-16 heck even a Po-2 and let me relive the early Eastern Front, back when the fate of the World hung in the balance.

 

MiG-3 +1.000 :salute:

 

Loved the AM-38 variant in Il-2 :)

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since you find it funny..any reason why they should not get their place in BOS?

Wait a minute, now. How many Me-262s were operating between 23 August 1942 and 2 February 1943?  :blink:  You really want a late war map, already? An epic tale begins in the middle of things, goes back to the beginning, and then returns to the resolution of matters. I think that is a good approach to this franchise, but you may quite reasonably think otherwise.

 

:salute: MJ

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Wait a minute, now. How many Me-262s were operating between 23 August 1942 and 2 February 1943?  :blink:  You really want a late war map, already? An epic tale begins in the middle of things, goes back to the beginning, and then returns to the resolution of matters. I think that is a good approach to this franchise, but you may quite reasonably think otherwise.

 

:salute: MJ

I think I have to agree with you MIKHA. I would like to see the game expand around the early war first and fly some of those early planes (cough Mig-3 cough), then expand to the later parts of the war, maybe even finish with Berlin!

 

Mig-3.JPG

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I think I have to agree with you MIKHA. I would like to see the game expand around the early war first and fly some of those early planes (cough Mig-3 cough), then expand to the later parts of the war, maybe even finish with Berlin!

 

Mig-3.JPG

 

Oh my, that is one good looking plane, you have there! :blush:  We are definitely on the same page. I am now really interested in seeing an early war map. I would love a late version Mig-3, on an early war map. In fact, for the early war, I would like to be a Mig-3 specialist.  :) I don't see the fun in a map full of Me-262s. That sounds like playing a flight simulation in god mode, to me.  A map dominated by the Me-262 would die out fast. It is similar to P-51s vs Mig-15s. How many persons are going to stick around to sim fly as P-51 pilots, if their opponents are all sim flying Mig-15s?  :lol:

 

:salute: MJ

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Does Fw190 give you such boner? I would't care less....

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I'm definitely on the Mig3 - I16 train.

Those were 2 of my favorites from the old IL2.

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