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Ok so obviously it’s a personal thing but I saw an excellent documentary last night called “ The plane that saved Britain” it was all about the De Havilland Mosquito. It reminded me what a beauty it was to behold and by all accounts to fly. Sometimes an aircraft just “looks right” and to me the Mosquito exemplified that saying. There is not a single angle that you can view that aircraft from that does not scream Speed, Power and Grace. I cannot wait to see it in the Normandy map and its pretty much the sole reason I have pre-purchased it. If there was one aircraft I was allowed to fly during that era it would have been the Mossie by a mile. So far ahead of its time and usually the enemy as well! I will spend the first few days just walking around it when the Normandy map arrives.

 

And don’t even get me started on the De Havilland Hornet!!      

 

 

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BlitzPig_EL

First off, let me say that I love the Mossie, and agree that it is a beautiful aircraft.  That said, however, in the environment of the Great Battles series, or most any sim for that matter, it will share the same fate as the P47.  A big target that will get run down and blown out of the sky by the late war German single seaters.

 

When your main defense is speed, and your opponents are all faster than you are, what do you have left?

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ShamrockOneFive

Yeah it's a good looking aircraft. I don't think it's in my top 5 but maybe in the top 10. It's definitely got the right kind of lines!

 

22 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

First off, let me say that I love the Mossie, and agree that it is a beautiful aircraft.  That said, however, in the environment of the Great Battles series, or most any sim for that matter, it will share the same fate as the P47.  A big target that will get run down and blown out of the sky by the late war German single seaters.

 

When your main defense is speed, and your opponents are all faster than you are, what do you have left?

 

There are definitely going to be people who are disappointed with the Mosquito having heard of the legendary speed and not understanding how that speed was employed in operational use. In multiplayer we'll be flying into a denser field of enemy aircraft than would be the case for FB.VI pilots. That said, we successfully employ various tactics against targets using other similar aircraft like the A-20B with success and the Mosquito will do just as well as or better than that aircraft in these situations. Losses will no doubt be incurred but we'll manage.

 

Those tactics include flying routes and patterns that are less frequented by patroling fighters, coordinating with other players via Discord and SRS to sweep target zones, and flying extreme low level on the run in point so as to prevent being spotted. It's not foolproof but it works.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, KPnutskgwanchos said:

And don’t even get me started on the De Havilland Hornet!!  

 

I see the Hornet as an orgasm with roundels :biggrin: , but the Mosquito, while still very sexy was more refined to look at.

 

18 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

When your main defense is speed, and your opponents are all faster than you are, what do you have left?

 

In anticipation of the Mosquito arriving in BOX, I recently re-read a book I have called "Target for Tonight" by Squadron Leader D.A Braithwaite DFC 

 

Great read in general, but the author takes command of a unit that flies PAMPA missions, meteorological reconnaissance prior to the big bombers going in, for both RAF & USAAF.

 

They fly Mosquito's among other stuff and he got caught by an Fw-190 on his way home once. To get away he threw the Mosquito into a spin that even Geoffrey De Havilland couldn't replicate and that the engineers reckoned the air frame shouldn't have survived.

 

If I get a moment I'll scan those pages & the official report  put them up, as it's a good read.

 

As it's a pretty common name for books and films ISBN: 978-1844151592 this might help locate it if interested.

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42 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

Those tactics include flying routes and patterns that are less frequented by patroling fighters, coordinating with other players via Discord and SRS to sweep target zones, and flying extreme low level on the run in point so as to prevent being spotted. It's not foolproof but it works.

Op. Sec! Op. Sec! Don't tell them, for Gods sake!

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1 hour ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

Those tactics include flying routes and patterns that are less frequented by patroling fighters, coordinating with other players via Discord and SRS to sweep target zones, and flying extreme low level on the run in point so as to prevent being spotted. It's not foolproof but it works.

 

 

Don't forget my favourite, "hope the enemy passes your nose when he overshoots and hold down the trigger." It's worked a couple of times in the IL-2 at least!

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13 minutes ago, Lord_Strange said:

hope the enemy passes your nose when he overshoots and hold down the trigger

with centerline mounted 4x20mm and 4x .303 anything that does that in front of the Mossie is going to have a Very Bad Day indeed...

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ShamrockOneFive
15 minutes ago, Lord_Strange said:

Don't forget my favourite, "hope the enemy passes your nose when he overshoots and hold down the trigger." It's worked a couple of times in the IL-2 at least!

I am a fan of that one too! :)

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2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

First off, let me say that I love the Mossie, and agree that it is a beautiful aircraft.  That said, however, in the environment of the Great Battles series, or most any sim for that matter, it will share the same fate as the P47.  A big target that will get run down and blown out of the sky by the late war German single seaters.

 

When your main defense is speed, and your opponents are all faster than you are, what do you have left?

 

It depends on the scenario and if the mission builder has an historical planeset.  This should not be a problem in a career I would assume.  If we get a 25lb boost version then it can and will keep pace with any D-Day era Bf109G6 with MW50, Fw190A.  So if it is being used historically as a low level fighter bomber then it should certianly have the pace to get in and out quickly.  The problem will be at higher altitudes and if Mosquito pilots try to mix it up.

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1 minute ago, ICDP said:

higher altitudes

I'd love to see some more photo recon mission types developed for mp. Combat Box does have a mission featuring photo recon, but you need to be at a pretty modest altitude to complete it in a timely manner. The IX, the XIV and the Mossie all look super handsome in PR colour schemes (Requiem's PR Pink XI skin is probably my favourite that I've downloaded from HSD so far, and you should all download it too so you can see how devastatingly dashing I look in it), and that kind of flying - fast, high, pinpoint navigation, alone, is super thrilling to me.

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I./JG52_Woutwocampe

Pfft, its driftwood.

 

Seriously, good aircraft but no, not even close.

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Requiem

I'm sure @busdriverthinks it's the most beautiful piston airplane...I know I'm looking forward to flying it for sure!

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40plus

'Tis pretty for sure, but there are far prettier. P-38, P-51, BF109, Me410 to name a few

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AndyJWest

As someone with personal experience once pointed out, If you've been sitting in a liferaft in the English Channel for half an hour, the most beautiful aircraft in the world is the Supermarine Walrus. Otherwise, eye of the beholder applies. And as far as this particular beholder is concerned, the Mosquito is a little to generic, or maybe just too familiar, to qualify as most beautiful. Nothing wrong with it, just not distinctive enough. I'm tempted to make comparisons with generic blonde Hollywood actresses, but for all sorts of reasons I probably shouldn't...

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Just now, 40plus said:

'Tis pretty for sure, but there are far prettier. P-38, P-51, BF109, Me410 to name a few

 

Not sure about the P-51.  P-38 is interesting more than pretty.  BF 109 is businesslike and not pretty.  Never much cared for the 410.  Actually think the 110 looks better.  

 

I think I have an affinity for more businesslike and or interesting planes.  FW190 A is my favorite, but it's hard to argue that it's "pretty".  P-38 is my favorite US fighter.  Again, not really pretty.  

 

Waiting for all of the Spitfire fans to react with righteous indignation.

1 minute ago, AndyJWest said:

As someone with personal experience once pointed out, If you've been sitting in a liferaft in the English Channel for half an hour, the most beautiful aircraft in the world is the Supermarine Walrus. Otherwise, eye of the beholder applies. And as far as this particular beholder is concerned, the Mosquito is a little to generic, or maybe just too familiar, to qualify as most beautiful. Nothing wrong with it, just not distinctive enough. I'm tempted to make comparisons with generic blonde Hollywood actresses, but for all sorts of reasons I probably shouldn't...

 

Jayne Mansfield?

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ROCKET_KNUT

De Havilland Mosquito – Most beautiful piston engine aircraft ever built.

Corrected it for you. 😉🍻

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40plus
6 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Not sure about the P-51.  P-38 is interesting more than pretty.  BF 109 is businesslike and not pretty.  Never much cared for the 410.  Actually think the 110 looks better.  

 

I think I have an affinity for more businesslike and or interesting planes.  FW190 A is my favorite, but it's hard to argue that it's "pretty".  P-38 is my favorite US fighter.  Again, not really pretty.  

 

Waiting for all of the Spitfire fans to react with righteous indignation.

 

Jayne Mansfield?

 

The lines of the 109, particularly the late variants, are near perfection to me. Everything is exactly where it needs to be. No frills, no gimmicks, just small compact engineering porn.

The 38 and 51 are the opposite with their graceful and sleek lines that just flow. The mossie fits in there somewhere too.

 

I can't explain the 410, it just does it for me...maybe it's a bit fetish? :o:

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Like anything in life one would assign the term beautiful to, it’s more of a personal preference. I find the Mosquito to be an attractive aircraft for certain. I’m more than excited about flying the Mosquito in this series. It’s never been done well in a sim before, IMO. Honestly I think it could be very effective online in a coop setting with pilots dedicated to ground attack. 

8 minutes ago, 40plus said:

 

The lines of the 109, particularly the late variants, are near perfection to me. Everything is exactly where it needs to be. No frills, no gimmicks, just small compact engineering porn.

Angular and boxy looking, full of lumps and bumps never designed into the original airframe to eek out more speed. Something the Spitfire also fell prey to in regards to lumps and bumps. The P-51 and Thunderbolt avoided that for the most part, still looking pretty clean and aerodynamic at the end of their service life. 

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The -51 is who you take on a crazed, hedonistic & self-destructive dirty week in Vegas - incredible at the time, but you don't want to talk about it after.

 

The (Merlin engined) Spit is a suitable match, introduced to you by an elderly maiden aunt. Steady, prim, nothing too wild, but you can definitely take her home at the weekend to meet your mother.

 

As I am assured the Kids are saying these days... 'Get you a girl who can do both'.

 

For me, that's the Mozzie.

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16 minutes ago, Rjel said:

 

Angular and boxy looking, full of lumps and bumps never designed into the original airframe to eek out more speed. Something the Spitfire also fell prey to in regards to lumps and bumps. 

Yeh, I hear you, not for everyone...but I'm a guy who thinks the Stuka has her pretty angles too. I just love that engineering/industrial aesthetic.

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busdriver
42 minutes ago, 40plus said:

'Tis pretty for sure, but there are far prettier. P-38, P-51, BF109, Me410 to name a few

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36 minutes ago, 40plus said:

I can't explain the 410, it just does it for me...maybe it's a bit fetish? :o:

 

Kind if like feet.  Not for everybody but somebody has to love them.

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45 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

As someone with personal experience once pointed out, If you've been sitting in a liferaft in the English Channel for half an hour, the most beautiful aircraft in the world is the Supermarine Walrus. Otherwise, eye of the beholder applies. And as far as this particular beholder is concerned, the Mosquito is a little to generic, or maybe just too familiar, to qualify as most beautiful. Nothing wrong with it, just not distinctive enough. I'm tempted to make comparisons with generic blonde Hollywood actresses, but for all sorts of reasons I probably shouldn't...

 

44 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Jayne Mansfield?

 

No to Ms Mansfield. The only appropriate generic Hollywood blond to think of after mentioning floating in the English Channel has to be Mae West surely.

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4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

First off, let me say that I love the Mossie, and agree that it is a beautiful aircraft.  That said, however, in the environment of the Great Battles series, or most any sim for that matter, it will share the same fate as the P47.  A big target that will get run down and blown out of the sky by the late war German single seaters.

 

I agree with that assessment. Mass daylight ops by Mosquito squadrons (other than Coastal Command) were few and far between, with lots of low cloud and usually with a squadron of Typhoons or Mustangs as escort. Day Ranger ops of one or two planes were typically abandoned (the term used in their ORB narratives) due to insufficient low cloud cover. 

 

Yes, I am aware that FB Mosquitos were actually used as fighter escort for some Lancaster daylight raids on French U-Boat pens in the Fall of 44, and large formations of FBs flying in formation with Oboe equipped machines tested high altitude bombing on V-1 sites. These were atypical. 

 

So yeah, @BlitzPig_EL is correct IMO, the severe VMC atmosphere of MP servers along with MP guys making multiple passes pickling a single bomb and strafing (things that most RL Mosquito pilots did not do during daylight ops) will make the Mosquito a frequent casualty. It is what it is...and what I'll be flying as the "designated mort" on Finnish or Combat Box. :good:

 

 

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4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

When your main defense is speed, and your opponents are all faster than you are, what do you have left?

 

Guile 

 

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Dagwoodyt

Once the map is the unveiled I might buy BoN. Unfortunately London won't be included. The aircraft are secondary.

Enjoy!

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56 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

Guile 

 

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The Mossie had no cloaking device.  So, no...  It is far better looking than a Bird of Prey though, but we can debate about the D7 or D9...

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4 hours ago, Diggun said:

with centerline mounted 4x20mm and 4x .303 anything that does that in front of the Mossie is going to have a Very Bad Day indeed...

 

Not all all of them had this armament...I'd love a MKIV :) 

 

Edit; The lightning bolts on the score board are PAMPA flights, (meteorological recce) & the bombs are special ones that indicate pathfinder missions. 

 

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44 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The Mossie had no cloaking device.

 

For sure, they generally tried to avoid trouble or had escorts. The avoid trick didn't always work, as per that little technique I alluded to earlier...

 

I managed to scan them so here are the relevant pages complied to a .pdf I took in a little bit either side for context and not to spoil a good story;Target for Tonigh selection.zip

 

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