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So with the current state of tank crew (which I don´t own) and from what I´ve seen of the multiplayer side of it, airpower sorta dominates.. and I always wondered, how would this be with a lot less capable aircraft?

 

While there obviously no classic historic scenario that would match (except for Po2 antics), I wonder if an alternate history scenario, or one with a limited vehicle set and a bit of a historic stretch set in the post WW1 chaos in the east would provice a fun multiplayer setting.

 

Semi-"Historic" scenarios could range from the Allied Intervention in the Russian Civil War to Freikorps in Baltics or the Greater Poland Uprising which saw the use of aircraft in the FC inventory to completely alternate history ones..

 

Overall, I was thinking along the lines of maybe "Freikorps" or polish Halberstadt CLIIs against GAZ-MM AAA-trucks, you know becker cannons and bombs from slow fragile biplanes against lorry guns and wondered if that could be balanced and fun?

 

What are your thoughts on biplanes vs playable groundstuff? Any one else curious if there would be any fun and working scenarios?

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Thats not a bad idea. I know the guys at Friday Night Flights wanted to do a tank battle night, and maybe integrating WW1 planes is the way to go for that. 

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On 4/5/2021 at 10:47 PM, Monostripezebra said:

Overall, I was thinking along the lines of maybe "Freikorps" or polish Halberstadt CLIIs against GAZ-MM AAA-trucks, you know becker cannons and bombs from slow fragile biplanes against lorry guns and wondered if that could be balanced and fun?

That would probably hold some fun due to it being extremely easy to aim from the WW1 crates compared to what I imagine it to be from a real aircraft. Given that the GAZ-MM AAA truck hast at minimum twice (or rather three times) the practical range, it would be open suicide to do so.

 

I often made fun in this place about how futile it is to aim at aircraft with hand cranked cannons. (Especially if "aim and shoot" is the basic extent of your imagination on how to use AAA guns.) But if you have almost stationary targets (<200 km/h is in that department) you can get efficient.

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On 4/7/2021 at 8:44 AM, ZachariasX said:

That would probably hold some fun due to it being extremely easy to aim from the WW1 crates compared to what I imagine it to be from a real aircraft. Given that the GAZ-MM AAA truck hast at minimum twice (or rather three times) the practical range, it would be open suicide to do so.

 

I often made fun in this place about how futile it is to aim at aircraft with hand cranked cannons. (Especially if "aim and shoot" is the basic extent of your imagination on how to use AAA guns.) But if you have almost stationary targets (<200 km/h is in that department) you can get efficient.

 

I am by no means an expert on WW1 AAA, but I am always kinda fascinated how different things went.. from the "myth" that in the beginning low flying was done relative safe because a lot of ill-trained soldiers did not understand how to lead the target (or at least that is what Manfred v. Richthofen wrote on the matter) to surprising successes with totally inadequate equipment, such as field artillery shooting down aircraft.. for example probably the first such event was near Oneux where the 6th battery of reg. 46 shoot down a french or belgian aircraft on 10-08-1914 and the early "success" of the germans did also include german aircraft, as they shot simply at everything (on 25 agust 1914 the FFA7 lost an aircraft to german infantry) there seems to be a less of a general tendency but rather very different outcomes depending on what units where involved under what circumstances..

 

For the above game scenario though, I would not be convinced that it would be soo one-sided, as on the aircrafts side is simply mobility and the ability to spot from relative safe altitude and then use that knowledge. I mean, in WW1 the whole  low level "Schlachtflieger" thing did also work to a degree, despite the high risks and relative efficency of the weapons against slow biplanes.

 

Another (possibly) fun scenario would be to try and see if it works if you have players in AAA trucks have to defend balloons from attacking player aircrafts or so..  I wonder how that would go and if it could be fun.

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I have a feeling the Gaz and it’s gun would make short work of the WW1 crates.

 I’ve shot down several ‘109’s with the fifty cal. on the Sherman in multiplayer coops.

 

It’s not because I’m a great shot; it’s because to get a good hit with bombs you have to be ultra accurate, shallow dive onto your target and release at the very last second.

It’s not a difficult shot for a ground gunner when the aircraft is attempting to dive down your throat!

 

Add on the much lower speeds of WW1...........

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On 4/8/2021 at 8:02 PM, J2_Trupobaw said:

The slower you go, the more accurate your bombs are, right? 

 

I don´t think that this would matter too much.. or at least not as much as the easier target.

 

On 4/8/2021 at 8:36 PM, DD_Arthur said:

I have a feeling the Gaz and it’s gun would make short work of the WW1 crates.

 I’ve shot down several ‘109’s with the fifty cal. on the Sherman in multiplayer coops.

 

It’s not because I’m a great shot; it’s because to get a good hit with bombs you have to be ultra accurate, shallow dive onto your target and release at the very last second.

It’s not a difficult shot for a ground gunner when the aircraft is attempting to dive down your throat!

 

Add on the much lower speeds of WW1...........

 

Probably. But I would assume tactics would make a huge difference. I shot quite a few planes down online with the default tanks, simply because people would approach me stupidly thinking that them beeing in a plane with speed would make them safe. But planes like the P-38 with a lot of heavy bombs and high speeds and climbs can simply swoop down and eleminate ground units very one-sidedly. When I flew the the Po-2 online it was very fun, I mean skilled tankers can shoot you down from miles away, but with terrain masking and better visibility you can also often sneak up on them.. only that it lacks the weapons to really do anything significant against those tigers etc..

 

with AAA-cars and canon biplanes it is about the same, but a bit more balanced because the plane can actually do something, despite still beeing at the disadvantage. I wonder if combining it with a mission, where the escort task would fall on the ground side.. like escorting a convoy or trains would kind of balance this into the fun zone?

 

 

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