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percydanvers

Do any of you ever find yourself really wanting to like a plane but failing to do so? For me this is the Fw-190, which IMO is a very cool looking plane, with a very awesome design concept, and the stories one reads about it in action in real history make me want to fly it. It just never really clicks for me though. It's not even that I want to use it as a turn fighter or something. I really enjoy BnZ with the 109, and indeed with many planes. I'm beginning to resign myself to the fact that I might just not like the 190 very much at all. 

Has anyone else had this experience of wanting to like a plane, but being ultimately unable to?

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smink1701

P47 mack truck with wings

P40 Cockpit looks like it was drawn in 20 minutes

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BlitzPig_EL

Well, for me it's not a matter of wanting to like a plane, as those that know me well can attest, I LOVE the P40 series.  However, in this sim not so much.  It is so totally hobbled by it's non historical engine limits that using it for anything other than ground attack in areas where there is little to no enemy air activity is simply a waste of my time.

 

Such a pity.

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percydanvers
2 minutes ago, smink1701 said:

P47 mack truck with wings

P40 Cockpit looks like it was drawn in 20 minutes


Ah yeah I think the P-47 is really hindered by the altitude at which most of the action takes place in IL-2. I'm definitely no expert on the thunderbolt, but it seems like it's really at its best way up around 20k to 30k ft where the "heavies" would be.

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BlitzPig_EL
6 minutes ago, smink1701 said:

P47 mack truck with wings

 

Absolutely agree.  Designed as a high altitude interceptor, it is totally out of place in a game engine that is laser focused on low level  tactical work.

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Hajo_Garlic

Spitfires, they fly nice, but I cant hit anything with their guns (which is consistent across other games).

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BlitzPig_EL
1 minute ago, Hajo_Garlic said:

Spitfires, they fly nice, but I cant hit anything with their guns (which is consistent across other games).

 

I have the same issue with the Spit.  I love flying it, but I can't hit the broad side of a barn with it.  Yet I am fairly deadly in the Tempest, P51, or even the Mc202.

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Just now, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

I have the same issue with the Spit.  I love flying it, but I can't hit the broad side of a barn with it.  Yet I am fairly deadly in the Tempest, P51, or even the Mc202.

Glad it’s not just me. Nose guns are preferred here, but wing guns arnt a problem in other aircraft. I agree with you on the p40 100%. Strangely, ai seem to get far more out of the p40 than I could ever hope to. 

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BlitzPig_EL

The AI use hacks.  :lol:

 

Well, because they are a computer operated aircraft, they always have instant, perfectly adjusted trim, and are really just fly by wire jets wearing WW2 costumes.

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40plus

I would say P-47 but I don't want to like it....it's ugly and it flies ugly......screw the P-47

Both versions :P

 

The one plane that I REALLY want to like but can't is the HS-129. I fudging love that plane but I can't fly it to save my life so I relegate it to the dumpster pile with a broken heart 💔

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Noisemaker

I have no issues with the P-40 or the Spitfires, in fact love them (Would have loved the Hurricane as well,  had the career not been a measly 12 days in Stalingrad).  Yaks and Laggs on the other hand...  Feel like damp cloths in comparison.

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Gambit21
17 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

Absolutely agree.  Designed as a high altitude interceptor, it is totally out of place in a game engine that is laser focused on low level  tactical work.

 

Now that’s not exactly fair - considering it’s entire job with the 9th Air Force was low level tactical work.

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Hajo_Garlic
18 minutes ago, 40plus said:

I would say P-47 but I don't want to like it....it's ugly and it flies ugly......screw the P-47

Both versions :P

 

The one plane that I REALLY want to like but can't is the HS-129. I fudging love that plane but I can't fly it to save my life so I relegate it to the dumpster pile with a broken heart 💔

If u get used to the goofy rpm its very pleasantly fly! Mixture pushed to max if it’s getting too hot but you can also usually stay in combat mode for the majority of the missions I fly it.

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Irishratticus72

I16, it's so damn cute, especially when fitted with the shVAKs, but I just can't take it seriously. I'll see myself out. 

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216th_Cat

P-39. The way I fly, it continually loses speed and energy and I'm liable to stall and spin in. Plus, I can't hit a thing with the melon-launcher unless I'm 2 yards behind it.

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percydanvers
Just now, 216th_Cat said:

P-39. The way I fly it continually loses and energy and I'm liable to stall and spin in. Plus, I can't hit a thing with the melon-launcher unless I'm 2 yards behind it.

 I think you could say that is a plane the USAAF wanted to like but didn't. 

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jollyjack

Really tried the P51, but it fails on flying (keep crashing it into the ground).

The P38 is sort of OK as weapon of mass destruction.

At first i did not like the P39, but i like it more and more.

But currently the Spit MkVIxe, clipped & fitted with rockets is sort of my fav.

 

To be fair, i am not playing enough to have a real favorite. The Yak1B? i16?

Must try 109 and FW fighters more; but i hate that cockpit view; as if you look at the world through some small toilet's window ...

 

11 minutes ago, Irishratticus72 said:

I16, it's so damn cute, especially when fitted with the shVAKs, but I just can't take it seriously. I'll see myself out. 

I get a lot of pretty easy results, as it's a quick turner ..

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zhihengcao
12 minutes ago, jollyjack said:

Really tried the P51, but it fails on flying (keep crashing it into the ground).

The P38 is sort of OK as weapon of mass destruction.

At first i did not like the P39, but i like it more and more.

But currently the Spit MkVIxe, clipped & fitted with rockets is sort of my fav.

 

To be fair, i am not playing enough to have a real favorite. The Yak1B? i16?

Must try 109 and FW fighters more; but i hate that cockpit view; as if you look at the world through some small toilet's window ...

 

I get a lot of pretty easy results, as it's a quick turner ..

 

I guess mastering P51 in this game will make you a better safer pilot in the real world as its spin characteristics is unforgiven due to its laminar flow wings.  However I cannot figure out how to effectively shoot down planes with the .50 cal guns, the tracers are useless vs. 20 / 30mm cannon in 109 & 190 because they are very hard to judge distance.  With cannon it is like throwing a ball (imagine snow ball fight) and the timing you press the trigger is important, but with .50 cal you have to keep the aim all the time while you shoot which is a lot more challenging. 

 

P38 is my favorite target when flying German. It is easy to identify as foe and very satisfying to shoot down.  Only cannot over run it. 

 

I mostly fly 109F4/G6 and 190A3, because the propeller turns clockwise the same direction as real world GA planes while Russian planes is the other way. This makes rudder input opposite when accelerating/deaccelerating. 

 

 

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Charlo-VR

I have good success bombing with the A-20 and P-38, but I’m otherwise surprised how little interest I have in the American and British planes and how much fun I find the Russian planes

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30speed

any of the yaks... 

 

they are very capable and I will use them as an available tool.

 

But my heart beats flat for them.

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percydanvers
6 minutes ago, zhihengcao said:

 

I guess mastering P51 in this game will make you a better safer pilot in the real world as its spin characteristics is unforgiven due to its laminar flow wings.  However I cannot figure out how to effectively shoot down planes with the .50 cal guns, the tracers are useless vs. 20 / 30mm cannon in 109 & 190 because they are very hard to judge distance.  With cannon it is like throwing a ball (imagine snow ball fight) and the timing you press the trigger is important, but with .50 cal you have to keep the aim all the time while you shoot which is a lot more challenging. 

 

P38 is my favorite target when flying German. It is easy to identify as foe and very satisfying to shoot down.  Only cannot over run it. 

 

I mostly fly 109F4/G6 and 190A3, because the propeller turns clockwise the same direction as real world GA planes while Russian planes is the other way. This makes rudder input opposite when accelerating/deaccelerating. 

 

 

 

Honestly the 109 has become a plane I like more than I'd like to. I am so addicted to how it handles I struggle to fly anything else at this point.

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Irishratticus72
54 minutes ago, jollyjack said:

Really tried the P51, but it fails on flying (keep crashing it into the ground).

The P38 is sort of OK as weapon of mass destruction.

At first i did not like the P39, but i like it more and more.

But currently the Spit MkVIxe, clipped & fitted with rockets is sort of my fav.

 

To be fair, i am not playing enough to have a real favorite. The Yak1B? i16?

Must try 109 and FW fighters more; but i hate that cockpit view; as if you look at the world through some small toilet's window ...

 

I get a lot of pretty easy results, as it's a quick turner ..

It could be Tina Turner and I'd still not get any feelings of joy from it. 

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vonNutz

Planes weed themselves out.

The Russian planes I don't relate to, but if I have to it's the Yak 7b, which flies beautifully.

Both Spits fly beautifully also, but are a bit twitchy on the elevators when aiming as they were I believe in R/L.

For the Axis, the only love in the Macchi, load the pods and use it as a 'boom n zoomer' as you would a 109 as it has the same engine.

I get the feeling that the Italians didn't really want to hurt anyone with it, which explains the two Breda's in the nose as standard armament.

It, like the Spit, are really Schneider Cup racers stuffed into uniform--hi-perf sports planes.

 

Rated at 14.7 g's, the Macchi, surprisingly as far as I can tell, is the strongest airframe in the sim. 

Spits in the 11g or so ratings, 109s about the same, FWs I don't know about and don't care as I never fly them. 

The Yank planes are rated around 10 g's I read.

 

I have a fondness for the Me109 G2, as I always come home in it, no known reason why except it outclimbs and out dives everything in its time frame,

and has a retractably tailwheel and none of those ugly 'boils' the later versions have, as well as the first 109 with a Artificial Horizon which has saved my bacon a number of times in foul weather.

The K4 was a huge disappointment.

 

I am looking forward to he Spit Mk XIV and the Mosquito.

It's great to have such a large stable of air ponies to choose from, but inevitably you end up riding a favorite most of the time.

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Jade_Monkey

My biggest issues might not be with the planes but something about how they are represented in the game:

 

Multiple planes have an interior engine sound that makes them feel very tame at max throttle. Something about the sound feedback does not match the speed at which they are traveling at and it throws me off. Fw190 Anton's, P51, probably others too.

 

The P51 should be a good plane but I'm not good at it at all. Part of it is the whole .50 cal issue but I don't mind other US planes. I can't put my finger on it with the P51. The B/C is going to be tough with just 4x.50 cals.

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=621=Samikatz

La-5. I know it's faster than a Yak and formally better, but the guns being mounted high on that huge nose makes it so hard to aim with and despite the slats I don't find it handles any nicer than the LaGG. Much prefer the Yaks, especially the -9. Hell, I find it far easier to score kills against G-2s and F-4s in the I-16 than the La-5

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All of the Soviet types.

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Now that’s not exactly fair - considering it’s entire job with the 9th Air Force was low level tactical work.

 

9th AF P-47s also provided escort work for both the 8th & 9th AF as well as allied air forces on numerous occasions from 1943 until at least late 1944 as well as fighter sweep work.  They had somewhere in the range of almost 1200 kills, granted a tiny number in comparison to the 8th AF but they put in a decent amount of air combat work too, six 9th AF P-47 groups had at least 100 kills

 

 

Concerning aircraft.... the LA5 (both versions) are ugly is sin... and the Mig3 ...I want to like them since I bought them but yeah, I've given up trying 😂

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Zeev
1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The AI use hacks.  :lol:

 

Well, because they are a computer operated aircraft, they always have instant, perfectly adjusted trim, and are really just fly by wire jets wearing WW2 costumes.

I disagree. Sure the AI's code is telling the aircraft how to navigate but if it was by wire then all the bombing operations by AI would be perfect (which can be both positive and negative).

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2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Now that’s not exactly fair - considering it’s entire job with the 9th Air Force was low level tactical work.

 

True, but the late war environment in the real war is FAR different than what is seen in game.  In reality the Luftwaffe was short of experienced pilots, fuel, and frankly, competent leadership.  They could, on occasion, put up localized air superiority.  In the sim you face very experienced "pilots" every time you face a human enemy.  I know that you are not a big fan of multiplayer, and I rarely venture out on other servers, but it's mostly because they are populated with stone cold killers that have more seat time than any ace ever could dream of in the real war.  In that environment the P47 is a fat, floundering, target. 

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Gambit21

Ahh...well multiplayer, especially in an Air Quake room - different ball of wax as you said.

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2 hours ago, percydanvers said:

Has anyone else had this experience of wanting to like a plane, but being ultimately unable to?

 

When it comes to the 190, I'm the opposite: I've loved it long before I ever flew one. The looks and the specs fitted my expectations of a great fighter plane perfectly. I started to fly it in Aces over Europe, almost 30 years ago. With every new sim that featured it, my 190 passion grew. 

 

Whenever I fly other planes, I see shortcomings galore. I hate the gun placement on all allied planes except for the P-38. I hate the 109 series because of their poor high speed maneuverability, meager ammo count, poor roll rate, and lack of versatility. I'd like to like the P-51, and it is a brilliant plane. It's just not a brilliant kill machine. Scratching others with 50 cals, hoping for critical damage is hugely disappointing when you're used to seeing big puffs of smoke and explosions ripping through your opponents. The Ki-84 Hayate ranks second in my book. A lot of the strengths of the 190 series, packed into a more nimble kill machine 😀

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1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

True, but the late war environment in the real war is FAR different than what is seen in game.  In reality the Luftwaffe was short of experienced pilots, fuel, and frankly, competent leadership.  They could, on occasion, put up localized air superiority.  In the sim you face very experienced "pilots" every time you face a human enemy.  I know that you are not a big fan of multiplayer, and I rarely venture out on other servers, but it's mostly because they are populated with stone cold killers that have more seat time than any ace ever could dream of in the real war.  In that environment the P47 is a fat, floundering, target. 

My problem with the P 47 is in coop. It stand no chance against any calibre of aa. 

I might as well take a po 2. 

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2 minutes ago, JG27_PapaFly said:

 

When it comes to the 190, I'm the opposite: I've loved it long before I ever flew one. The looks and the specs fitted my expectations of a great fighter plane perfectly. I started to fly it in Aces over Europe, almost 30 years ago. With every new sim that featured it, my 190 passion grew. 

 

Whenever I fly other planes, I see shortcomings galore. I hate the gun placement on all allied planes except for the P-38. I hate the 109 series because of their poor high speed maneuverability, meager ammo count, poor roll rate, and lack of versatility. I'd like to like the P-51, and it is a brilliant plane. It's just not a brilliant kill machine. Scratching others with 50 cals, hoping for critical damage is hugely disappointing when you're used to seeing big puffs of smoke and explosions ripping through your opponents. The Ki-84 Hayate ranks second in my book. A lot of the strengths of the 190 series, packed into a more nimble kill machine 😀


It's funny - I've spoken to a few 190 enthusiasts whose love of the plane began with Aces over Europe. That sim was a bit before my time though. 

Really I'm jealous though. I see people do amazingly with the 190 and I read all kinds of things about how great it was, but it just turns into a defenseless useless flying brick in my hands. I've logged an... embarrassing amount of time across different sims trying to learn to love that plane. Even as much as it frustrates the hell out of me, I still think it's cool, so I keep coming back for more torture. I think my problem is that you need to be fast to win with the 190, and that's hard to do when everything you do costs so much energy. It's not even like I'm trying to turn fight in it: I'll laboriously set up a bounce on a target, the target turns, I zoom climb up to reset the attack like you're supposed to, but I've still lost loads of energy doing this that takes forever to get back. Before I know it I'm just slow and getting shot down by things I can't outrun or outmaneuver. 

The 109 on the other hand... well it's not perfect of course, but I feel like most of its flaws have a reliable workaround if you get used to them. The high speed maneuverability is awful, but it can be compensated for when you get used to it. You don't have much ammunition, but you have the most pinpoint accurate weapons configuration of any plane. Combined with the maneuverability I find I can put most of my shots exactly where I want them, and I often end up doing a lot more damage with 65 30mm cannon rounds than 500 20mms in a Fw. Hell, I even find I drop bombs more accurately with a 109, and I have no idea why that is. 

 

100% agree about the P-51. I'm never all that successful with it but I usually have a fun time flying it.

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CountZero

P-47D, expected disapointment, games vision of engine timers, games DM, games vision of 0.50 makes it perfect hangar airplane, waste of code.

P-51B/C wil be same people will not even remenber its in game , like it was with 47D22, short after its out.

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ShamrockOneFive

Two planes: the Bf109 series and the I-16. I want to love them both but I can never really fully make them work for me. They are fine... and fun but just not as much of my kind of aircraft. Much rather be in a Fw190 or a MiG-3 when offered the chance (assuming the usual planesets).

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56RAF_Roblex

P39.   I love flying it but I just can't work out how to use it effectively in combat.

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I used to think there were planes I could never get accustomed to--and then I forced myself to like the P-47 (pretty much the antithesis of what kinds of planes I normally enjoy flying).

 

So I don't think there's any plane I strongly dislike here. There are definitely preferences I'll always have, of course. In terms of what I learned most easily, and what I learned least easily, I'd list them as follows:

 

(Starting with the easiest both to fly, evade enemy attacks, and score kills in, primarily in single player)

 

109 (all of them)

Fw-190D

Tempest

Yak-9/9T

P-38

Spitfire

Fw-190A-3

La-5FN

P-51

Fw-190A5-8

P-47

P-39

MiG-3

Yak-1

LaGG-3

I-16

 

Anything I didn't list means I didn't fly it in career mode yet.

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Feathered_IV

The P-39.  I really like the aircraft, but the engine sound has such an irritating note that I can't deal with it more more than a few minutes.

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Hmm....surprised there are no comments about Flying Circus Volume 1 aircraft in this thread.  I purchased FC Vol 1 during one of the recent sales and have been flying different aircraft in the module (Single Player using PWCG).  There are two aircraft I really wanted to like but wound up disappointed and unimpressed: the SE5 and the Fokker DVIIF.  From what I've read about World War One aviation in books, as well as watching a lot of documentaries, these were supposed to be two of the best scouts of the late war period.  But I've found their performance and handling to be...meh.  Try as I might I just wasn't able to click with liking them nor learning how to handle them well.  I was hoping for "uber-planes" to clean the skies, but more often than not it was me getting shot down by the AI.  And I found the SE5 to have some nasty stall and unrecoverable horizontal spin characteristics.                 OTOH, I've really gotten to like, and quite enjoy, flying two aircraft that were good but not considered top-of-the-line: the Pfalz D.III for the Luftstreitkrafte and the Bristol Fighter F.II/F.III of the RFC/RAF.  Both are very stable gun platforms.  With the Pfalz I had one of my longest mission streaks and highest aircraft shot down total.  It seems very maneuverable, has good speed, and dives very well.  The Bristol Fighter is very impressive for a two-seater.  It also has decent speed and maneuverability.  And I have my trusty gunner, "Grumpy Gus", behind me with his twin Lewis guns to cover my six.  It's great that Jason and the developers have given us so many planes from which to choose.  If you don't like a few, it seems like there are always more try- and with some great new aircraft on the way!

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BlitzPig_EL

Being kinda focused on ground attack, the Bristols are a god send.  IMHO it's overall the best aircraft in the whole FC1 set.  It simply flys like a much more modern aircraft.  I too like the Pfalz, it's a well balanced plane with really no vices.

 

The plane that most lets me down on the WW1 side is the SPAD.  It's only saving grace is it's speed.  The biggest hindrance is it's utterly awful visibility.

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7 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

The P-39.  I really like the aircraft, but the engine sound has such an irritating note that I can't deal with it more more than a few minutes.


Oh yes. I enjoy flying and fighting in that plane but that engine just sounds like something slowly wheezing itself to death. 

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