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machtu

I have been a big fan of this sim since it first came out but I need to be in a server with icons because see anything without it.  So server of choice is 1cgs server.  Most people there are like me, non expert flyers looking for maneuvering dogfighting fun.  Everything is good except the introduction of the 262.  I know it was in the war but it was mostly used for bomber attack later in the war.

 

So you are in duking it out with other planes and someone with less than great skills decides to take the big advantage of a jet to boom and zoom preoccupied pilots.  I personally don't see the fun in that but obviously they do.  

 

A few years back I quit flying because there was couple of people that thought the way to win was to belly land a bomber on an airfield and machine gunning everyone taking off.  I notice now that is not allowed but allowing 262 to shoot ducks in a barrel IMO is the same.

 

If they are to be allowed, how about the allies having  captured 262 in equal number of axis in the air.

 

I am sure there are many others in the 1cgs server with the same opinion.

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Luftschiff

I understand the frustration, but the let's be honest - "boom and zoom preoccupied pilots" is how most pilots chose to fight and win, in any plane, at any stage of the war. The 262 cannot dogfight, it is essentially incapable of shooting down any fighter that IS aware of it and since there are no bomber streams, it is thus fighting how it should. At those speeds, I'd also wager that even setting up those "easy kills" you speak of takes more skill than you seem willing to credit them with. 

 

As for your grievances and suggestions I can but suggest 

1. Play earlier war scenarios

2. Play a different server if you really feel so strongly about the 262

3. Make your suggestions to the server admins, we can't change planesets.

4. Try flying it yourself for a spell, you might learn how to best them!

 

Don't give up!

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[=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther

This is a broken record, but let's quote Chuck Yaeger,.. The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down.

 

War isn't fair. If you wanted realism, well, you got it. 

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JG300_Winterz

262 is not a big deal to avoid..

 

Maybe you could try to improve your pilot skills and work on your SA?

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CountZero
4 hours ago, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

This is a broken record, but let's quote Chuck Yaeger,.. The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down.

 

War isn't fair. If you wanted realism, well, you got it. 

LOL yes i bet he was fighting multi 109s when he shoot it, online you have nothing like historical situation they were fighting thouse 262s, where is air dominance allieds had ?

 

 Also on server with Icons on having airplane that is so mutch faster and have one pass gunns jam free its god mod on, gota love this view if airplane is historical who cares about numbers sides had or % of airplanes compared to peopl on server, ~20 ppl per side and you have few 262s flying its fantasy of ww2 nothing historical.

 

But yes most are right you stop playing on servers like that and fined other one, let thouse who think its fair play with AIs. 

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[=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther
1 hour ago, CountZero said:

LOL yes i bet he was fighting multi 109s when he shoot it, online you have nothing like historical situation they were fighting thouse 262s, where is air dominance allieds had ?

 

 Also on server with Icons on having airplane that is so mutch faster and have one pass gunns jam free its god mod on, gota love this view if airplane is historical who cares about numbers sides had or % of airplanes compared to peopl on server, ~20 ppl per side and you have few 262s flying its fantasy of ww2 nothing historical.

 

But yes most are right you stop playing on servers like that and fined other one, let thouse who think its fair play with AIs. 

 

You are making excuses. There is no attempt by the developers to create equity Just in war there is no equity, so it is true in MP. Yeager was an experience pilot at that point the Me262 may have been inexperienced with the aircraft, thus Yaeger had the advantage. MP isn't really different. Moreover pilots have all said that an experience pilot is always better than inexperience pilot regardless of the aircraft. MP is no different. 

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machtu

I am not upset with the boom & zoom practice, and god knows my flying skills & aim could be much better.  That is why I go to that server.  There are many others like myself honing their flying skills mixed in with very experienced flight wing people with expert level skills shooting me down.  Great!  They teach me how to fly better & when I am able start shooting some of them down, I know my skills are getting better.   I am not complaining about being shot down.  I am not worried about the points.  It is all about learning & having fun so people can migrate to more serious servers later.  I think it is a server that shouldn't be taken too seriously.  

 

And talking historically, I don't think 262's were even deployed in the eastern front.  They were used almost exclusively for bomber attack and they were coming from UK.  Also, I don't think there were any deployed until mid '44, and there again to combat bombers.  So if you are looking for historical value, they weren't deployed in the eastern front.

 

The other thing about this server is that there is nothing authentic about the engagements.  Sure as hell you could not see individual planes 7 miles away and come running over to join the furball.   It is just a free for all, non coordinated (in most cases) pilot training site meant to be fun for the people in it.  I have to say that there are many times when there are up to five opponents chasing me down, and I think I do a pretty good job evading them, but they eventually shoot me down.  I have fun in the evasion mode and I know they had fun chasing me for the kill.  Every once in awhile, I am able to turn the to table score a well earned victory.  Great fun.

 

I think one of the main reasons for the over seriousness is the point system.  I am not proposing the removal of the point system, but it makes some people point centric where it becomes the only thing that matters.  So you drive a 262 and shoot people down that can't come back on you.  You are the winner at the end of the mission, big deal.

 

I see as time goes on, more and more people choose to go with the 262 and the total fun falls.  The only fun in that scenario is the 262 shooting ducks in the barrel, kind of like fishing with dynamite.   It is not fun evading a 262 & definitely not fun getting shot down by one.  Eventually people flying prop planes will drop out and the fun factor falls away.

 

IMO, historical settings where P-51s are escorting bomber runs with 262 attacking is the property place for it.  Or, go into quick missions and shoot AIs down & ground attack there, but there aren't any points and you can't feel superior to other humans.

 

I think the angle of defected or captured 262s to go against german 262s would be a solution in my mind.  Some competition to keep them busy most of the time so the prop people can have their comparable dogfights but they are still in the mix and can attack prop planes when free from counterattack from other 262s.  

 

As far as going to another server, where?  As stated before, I need icons to be able to spot and identify opponents.  I look but don't see many sites with icons enabled (is there a way to spot icons enabled in the server list?).  I have my own idea what a server should look like, but being a old man without code writing skills I am forced to enjoy the work of others and I thank them for their efforts now.

 

That is all I have for now.  Have fun.

 

Machtu

 

 

 

 

 

 

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PaladinX

I played on this server yesterday and it was a lot of fun and action. The 262 is not a big deal there in my opinion, because all fights take place very low around the air bases...there you need a good turner, not a fast mover.

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