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[APAF]VR_Spartan85

Hey all!  I'm curious if float planes are possible in our current maps, especially Kuban?  Not sure if there has ever been talks of it as tried searching but didn't find anything.
I know the Pacific is a topic on the very distant horizon.. like reaaaaaaly far away through the giant ice wall...

But with Normandy coming soon and because i love the thought of an endless runway... Is the idea of sea planes/flying boats possible in this engine?  we had it In Rise of Flight.. awesomeness.....

Thanks!

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DetCord12B

They served primarily in a reconnaissance role and given that naval surface warfare isn't really fleshed out in the series I'm not sure how they'd fit in. Maybe a Battle of the North Sea would be an option down the road as a minor expansion that could include something like that. Then again, it might not even possible as a land-able surface with regards to the current version of the game engine.

 

Love to see them though!

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AndyJWest

Well, as you say, they had floatplanes (and a flying boat) in RoF. And I doubt they've actually removed the functionality from the code, though it would probably need work to update fully. 

 

As for whether they developers can justify a floatplane to the investors (which is what really determines whether it happens), I'd like to think they have a chance at least. Either for WW2 (PBY, Walrus...) or for Flying Circus - the Felixstowe updated to IL-2 GB standards would be even more magnificent than it is now.

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Image result for h8k emily

 

Speaking of 'what if' aircraft that will never pencil out. 'sigh'

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[APAF]VR_Spartan85

I would love to see the Walrus in game.. would be fun for Normandy map, rescuing planes downed in the water..  

what about the Ju-52 on floats?  The may would be cool..

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DetCord12B
1 hour ago, AndyJWest said:

Well, as you say, they had floatplanes (and a flying boat) in RoF. And I doubt they've actually removed the functionality from the code, though it would probably need work to update fully. 

 

As for whether they developers can justify a floatplane to the investors (which is what really determines whether it happens), I'd like to think they have a chance at least. Either for WW2 (PBY, Walrus...) or for Flying Circus - the Felixstowe updated to IL-2 GB standards would be even more magnificent than it is now.

 

How exactly would these work within the current BoX offerings? Again, these types of aircraft served very specific functions, and as you're are known for telling people what does and does not work in this series, how exactly would said airframes function within the current environment when said naval aspects aren't present and the game itself lacks dedicated naval warfare components and dynamics?

 

As you are very fond of pointing out, the developers have better things to do than to indulge whims here and there. Beyond that however, the devs are anything if not pragmatic, and they're not known for designing and implementing aircraft that don't fit into any of the current BoX titles and their subsequent nations TO&E's and or battlefield deployment ratios. The investor aspect is nonsense. What an asinine comment, as if this game was somehow completely dependent upon the parent and pitched into the crapper if "the investor" is somehow perturbed. You might wanna take an actual look at the the income stream before making such absurd claims.

 

It's not that I wouldn't like to see one or two or more of them. The fact remains, given a precedent, would they fit into the current BoX lineup. No. No they wouldn't. 

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XQ_Lothar29

It would not be unreasonable to do some Seaplane to be able to torpedo or hunt submarines, or even to launch mines, in the RoF

the Seaplanes did not make much sense either, there were no naval wars, but they were

made and were successful.


If they wanted, I think they could make pilot rescue seaplanes, which parachute into the sea.
Nowadays, if you jump from the plane over the sea and fall into the water, your pilot drowns instantly. Well, they could

fix this system and leave the Pilots in an inflatable boat or floating with their life jacket with a "maximum time of 20min or 30min" and in that time a

pilot can come to rescue you from the sea.
At the moment we have the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, but in Normandy, we will have a large part of the Atlantic in the Area that includes

the English Channel, with which the Atlantic communicates with the North Sea.
So it wouldn't be too far-fetched to create Seaplanes for rescue, reconnaissance, mining and torpedo bombers.

would add to my way of seeing another dimension to the simulator.

 

Practical examples:

 

Luftwaffe:

- Heinkel He 59 x003-2675-he59a-heinkel59-floatplane-hendon.thumb.jpg.40e05014e1d8eb21c84de9d6617ab392.jpg

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- Heinkel He 115 

Spoiler

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-  Heinkel He 60  
Spoiler

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- Dornier Do18 N

Spoiler

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- Dornier Do24 

Spoiler

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Allies:

 

Short S.25 Sunderland 

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Consolidated PBY Catalina

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- Grumman G-21 Goose 

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And More exemples

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AndyJWest
12 minutes ago, DetCord12B said:

 

How exactly would these work within the current BoX offerings? Again, these types of aircraft served very specific functions, and as you're are known for telling people what does and does not work in this series, how exactly would said airframes function within the current environment when said naval aspects aren't present and the game itself lacks dedicated naval warfare components and dynamics?

 

As you are very fond of pointing out, the developers have better things to do than to indulge whims here and there. Beyond that however, the devs are anything if not pragmatic, and they're not known for designing and implementing aircraft that don't fit into any of the current BoX titles and their subsequent nations TO&E's and or battlefield deployment ratios. The investor aspect is nonsense. What an asinine comment, as if this game was somehow completely dependent upon the parent and pitched into the crapper if "the investor" is somehow perturbed. You might wanna take an actual look at the the income stream before making such absurd claims.

 

It's not that I wouldn't like to see one or two or more of them. The fact remains, given a precedent, would they fit into the current BoX lineup. No. No they wouldn't. 

 

So, we both suggest that we'd like to see floatplanes in IL-2 GB, and then you respond to my post like that? Welcome to my ignore list.

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Ram399

Living in Florida as a pilot, if I could own any plane in the world it would hands down be a PBY Catalina.
If one were added to the sim I would happily cruise the North Sea for hours on end hunting for U-Boats.

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Eeafanas
1 час назад, XQ_Lothar29 сказал:

It would not be unreasonable to do some Seaplane to be able to torpedo or hunt submarines, or even to launch mines, in the RoF

the Seaplanes did not make much sense either, there were no naval wars, but they were

made and were successful.


If they wanted, I think they could make pilot rescue seaplanes, which parachute into the sea.
Nowadays, if you jump from the plane over the sea and fall into the water, your pilot drowns instantly. Well, they could

fix this system and leave the Pilots in an inflatable boat or floating with their life jacket with a "maximum time of 20min or 30min" and in that time a

pilot can come to rescue you from the sea.
At the moment we have the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, but in Normandy, we will have a large part of the Atlantic in the Area that includes

the English Channel, with which the Atlantic communicates with the North Sea.
So it wouldn't be too far-fetched to create Seaplanes for rescue, reconnaissance, mining and torpedo bombers.

would add to my way of seeing another dimension to the simulator.

 

Practical examples:

 

Luftwaffe:

- Heinkel He 59 x003-2675-he59a-heinkel59-floatplane-hendon.thumb.jpg.40e05014e1d8eb21c84de9d6617ab392.jpg

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3115l.jpg.99a02311193cd91e323ae03b1ac31ae9.jpg

 

daa-707-l23.jpg.3dfee01d4aba9cce37929fe6dc4ec624.jpg

 

 

- Heinkel He 115 

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-  Heinkel He 60  
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- Dornier Do18 N

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- Dornier Do24 

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Allies:

 

Short S.25 Sunderland 

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Consolidated PBY Catalina

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- Grumman G-21 Goose 

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And More exemples

And MBR-2

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Missionbug

I think it fair to say that many pilots who ditched in the channel owe their lives to seaplanes, from both sides, besides rescues they were also used for reconnaissance, attacking surface vessels and submarines so should be a integral part of the Kuban and Normandy series and would certainly make for interesting missions providing they are flyable, even just AI though they would be a option for escort missions.;)

 

The aircraft and their crews performed extremely dangerous and important work so deserve to be represented in the series.:drinks:

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.:biggrin:

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Motherbrain

I'm kind of hoping if we ever get a 1918 version of the channel map like in RoF we could see the Felixstowe and W12 again. I'd love to see seaplanes again.

 

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Avimimus
9 hours ago, [APAF]VR_Spartan85 said:

Hey all!  I'm curious if float planes are possible in our current maps, especially Kuban?  Not sure if there has ever been talks of it as tried searching but didn't find anything.
I know the Pacific is a topic on the very distant horizon.. like reaaaaaaly far away through the giant ice wall...

But with Normandy coming soon and because i love the thought of an endless runway... Is the idea of sea planes/flying boats possible in this engine?  we had it In Rise of Flight.. awesomeness.....

Thanks!

 

So far as I can tell the units were stationed on the western shore of the Black Sea and refuelled at Sevastopol. However, there were Ar-196 operating with minor axis powers in the Black Sea as well... so it is quite plausible that they would have been used around Kuban - I just wasn't able to confirm it yet (partly on account of not being good at reading German). :)

 

I do find the idea of doing recon and artillery spotting in an Ar-196 to be pretty appealing.

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Enceladus

While a seaplane refers to any plane that operates on water, there's a difference between a floatplane and a flying boat.

 

This is a floatplane because it has floats beneath it to provide buoyancy while on the water.

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While this is a Flying boat (though it has floats on the wings, they provide lateral stability during taxi, take-off, and landing):

Image result for h8k emily

 

As well as this (though, because it has landing gear it can be called an amphibian).

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And yes, I would really hope to see some seaplanes added to the game in the near future. My dream plane for IL-2 1946 is a flyable H8K with the actual cockpit, bombardier, and gunner stations😆

 

Cheers.

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DD_Arthur
12 hours ago, DetCord12B said:

 Then again, it might not even possible as a land-able surface with regards to the current version of the game engine.

 

I might be talking out of my backside but wasn't RoF's water technology brought into the game with the Kuban release?

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fergal69

What about the AR196?

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[APAF]VR_Spartan85
11 hours ago, XQ_Lothar29 said:

It would not be unreasonable to do some Seaplane to be able to torpedo or hunt submarines, or even to launch mines, in the RoF

the Seaplanes did not make much sense either, there were no naval wars, but they were

made and were successful.


If they wanted, I think they could make pilot rescue seaplanes, which parachute into the sea.
Nowadays, if you jump from the plane over the sea and fall into the water, your pilot drowns instantly. Well, they could

fix this system and leave the Pilots in an inflatable boat or floating with their life jacket with a "maximum time of 20min or 30min" and in that time a

pilot can come to rescue you from the sea.
At the moment we have the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov, but in Normandy, we will have a large part of the Atlantic in the Area that includes

the English Channel, with which the Atlantic communicates with the North Sea.
So it wouldn't be too far-fetched to create Seaplanes for rescue, reconnaissance, mining and torpedo bombers.

would add to my way of seeing another dimension to the simulator.

 

Practical examples:

 

Luftwaffe:

- Heinkel He 59 x003-2675-he59a-heinkel59-floatplane-hendon.thumb.jpg.40e05014e1d8eb21c84de9d6617ab392.jpg

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he59-1.jpg.2afba31e516544f5761c14340da24d29.jpg    

 

3115l.jpg.99a02311193cd91e323ae03b1ac31ae9.jpg

 

daa-707-l23.jpg.3dfee01d4aba9cce37929fe6dc4ec624.jpg

 

 

- Heinkel He 115 

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-  Heinkel He 60  
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- Dornier Do18 N

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- Dornier Do24 

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Allies:

 

Short S.25 Sunderland 

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Consolidated PBY Catalina

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- Grumman G-21 Goose 

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This... and this... 

ability to save downed pilots in the water, reconnaissance, running supplies to ships/ports, hunting subs... 

 

the pilots in water thing, why they just drown and don’t have dingy’s, I think that reasoning was covered already by devs stating either the pilots in our current maps weren’t equipped with them (except now we have the brits and American pilots...) or it’s a recoding that needs to take place...

 

but the idea still remains... adding a whole new role to play in the sim.

point systems, showing off water tech, and just plain fun to fly float planes/flying boats....

and there’s one or more for each side :)

 

 

3 minutes ago, fergal69 said:

What about the AR196?

 

 

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My uncle actually has a model of this in his room, and it’s what sparked this forum page :)

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Docholiday
7 hours ago, Motherbrain said:

I'm kind of hoping if we ever get a 1918 version of the channel map like in RoF we could see the Felixstowe and W12 again. I'd love to see seaplanes again.

 

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Yes. For me that would be great too !!!!

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[APAF]VR_Spartan85

Anywho, thanks everyone who supports the idea and posted pics!  
As a VR operator, another aspect of these beautiful contraptions is I want to experience:)

 

 

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Ram399

Does this count?
The A-20 is a little confused but its got the spirit:

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Might be a bit off topic but has anybody else here encountered this weird buoyancy glitch?
I've only ever seen it twice and only with A-20s, its pretty strange.

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danielprates
4 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

I might be talking out of my backside but wasn't RoF's water technology brought into the game with the Kuban release?

 

This is what I would like to see someone answer with propriety; if the game engine allows it or not.

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Mitthrawnuruodo
18 hours ago, DetCord12B said:

How exactly would these work within the current BoX offerings? Again, these types of aircraft served very specific functions, and as you're are known for telling people what does and does not work in this series, how exactly would said airframes function within the current environment when said naval aspects aren't present and the game itself lacks dedicated naval warfare components and dynamics?

 

I think seaplanes would fit in almost as well as the other 'odd' aircraft in the series, namely the Ju 52 and U-2. BOK features just about everything you need to set up various historical seaplane missions.

 

On the Axis side, Do 24 and Ju 52 seaplanes served as transports in the Kuban airlift and performed air-sea rescue duties. Forward bases were in the Kerch area, so the Kuban map would be sufficient. Several other types may have operated in the area, including the He 59, Ar 196, Fw 58, and BV 138.

 

Granted, the units involved were small, so it's hard to justify any development. The ideal area for Black Sea operations would be to the west, between Romania and the Crimea.

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Luftschiff

I love the seaplanes, the torpedo bombers and the flying boats with a fiery passion. WW1, Interwar, WW2- I don't care, bring 'em on!

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migmadmarine

I think SAR missions could be scripted too, define a search zone on the map, and somewhere have a lifeboat or a pilot in a raft (model would need to be made I imagine) in that zone, and set a trigger for the aircraft that would require landing along side, removing the object once completed. Might be largely doable in the editor currently, though I don't know. 

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76IAP-Black

Best idea ever to implement a floatplane and add a campaign for it. 

Like supply missions, rescue, spotting and hunting

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[APAF]VR_Spartan85

Wowzers... especially with the way srs on combatbox interacts!   Brings a whole new level of play to the game.. 

requesting call signs, missions and reporting positions!   
you could easily report last position when going down and that would assign SaR mission to your location...

 

I hope other servers adopt the tech to do this.. 

 

we need every plane that can be, on floats :)  

Could also be used to capture downed pilots to gather intel :)

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