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Having bought BoS and the spitfire collectable some time ago, with the current sale I thought I might give some ground pounding ago, and as the HS-129 is the german collector plane opposite the spit, thought I might pick it up.

 

So any thoughts on what it's like? I've read they were quite underpowered, but not a wholle lot else so if anyone has some gen they would like to share I'd be interested hear. Are the field upgrades game changing or meh?

 

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It's an interesting bird, fun to fly, and with lots of character. It is very different from any other plane in the game, so it's hard to draw comparisons.

 

Is it GOOD? It's not very good compared to other planes in the game but the main role is ground attack and it does that well.

 

I'd say if you like flying ground attack missions then pick it up.

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It is a great plane, I flew it quite a lot, and accordingly I consider it the best ground attacker in the simulator (at least if you prefer using guns). Some good pilots even use it as a fighter and have success with it, but this is not where it really shines, due to low max speed.  To describe the plane: first of all you have great front-and-side visibility and manoeuvrability (because of one-button-click combat flaps). Then you have superior firepower courtesy of a high-velocity, fast-firing, dedicated anti-material 30-mm cannon (either Mk 101 or Mk 103) with lots of ammo to boot. You also have twin 20-mm cannons and twin 8-mm machine guns. All those are divided-up into 2 fire-groups: one for the 30mm and the machine guns and one for the twin 20mms. This means you can choose the appropriate fire-group based on the targets you're engaging, which adds more tactical flexibility. The plane also has decent survivability (due to 2 air-cooled engines) and is easy to land almost anywhere, because of low landing speed and robust landing gear. And last but not least you can equip a rearview mirror to alleviate somewhat poor rear visibility. I say the plane is worth a full price, it is on sale now for the price of a large latte (3 bucks), which is a steal.

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It's a flying target.

 

Be sure to have some escort if you use it in multiplayer.  If you only fly single player, it can be successful in the ground attack role, but be sure to take out any AAA first, as it's slow speed makes it easy prey for the AI gunners.

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1 hour ago, Devere said:

So any thoughts on what it's like? I've read they were quite underpowered, but not a wholle lot else so if anyone has some gen they would like to share I'd be interested hear. Are the field upgrades game changing or meh?

 

So... it is very under-powered... it can't really fly on one engine, and if you turn too sharply for too long you fall out of the air. That said... it has very good low speed handling characteristics and one can shoot down fighters by getting them to fly past you (they can't fly slow enough!) or by executing a well timed turn to make a head-on pass.

 

The Mk-101 and Mk-103 are the best cannons in the game... fantastic for use against bombers and ground targets. The experience of using these guns is worth learning to fly the plane.

 

The Hs-129 is one of my favourites... but one has to realise what it is... more of a flying armoured tank... an under-powered Il-2.... and fly it more like it is a plane from 1915 than one from 1942! :) If you have some patience and are willing to take a few flights to get used to it - and if you like ground attack - it is a must.

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It is often surprising and always rewarding what you can shoot down with it in MP. The Mk103 armed with HE (or mixed) together with the twin 20 mm make short work of anything. The 103 also has a good trajectory making even far distance kills a good option. One hit usually does the job sufficiently.

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Depends on what you expect from it. It's definetly unique in the way that it has a strange cockpit setup (must be fun in VR) and has a small size for a twin engines aircraft. It's stable enough to work as a precise gun platform for aiming at weakspots on tanks. The armoured bathtub actually works quite well and can soak up quite a bit of damage although many times your engines will already be on fire at that point.

 

I guess it's more fun to fly in SP but you can also take it into MP if you have a coordinated squad or to strike rearward targets with less fighter protection. It's actually not that easy to spot flying low and slow over terrain.

 

Edit: For 3$ it's a no-brainer if you are interested in ground attack aircraft.

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Engine management is a little tricky too, you're supposed to use manual prop pitch for cruising, auto for combat and boost for take off.

 

It's really an interesting plane to fly, I highly recommend it. 

 

If you get it I also highly recommend checking out Requiem's video on it (and well any aircraft in IL-2 GB honestly, it's a gold mine, that channel). 

 

 

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I've wanted to put a little more time into it than I have but I do have to say that I like it. It's not a plane you buy because you want "the best." As others have said, its woefully underpowered and once intercepted it has few options. But as a ground attacker it's pretty good at its purpose role of killing armored vehicles. 95% of the time I'm flying it with the MK101 or MK103 30mm cannon and trying to fly the right profile to attack the enemy tank (from above and behind the tank). The engines are counter rotating and that makes the aircraft very stable as a gun platform so in that it's actually pretty good. It also really benefits from having you manage the prop pitch control.

 

Also the cockpit is super cramped and I still find it a bit humours how much of the engine readouts are directly on the engine for no other reason than there's simply no room in the cockpit to place them.

 

IMHO, if you like interesting planes, it's a good one! It's definitely a specialist aircraft. If you want something fast and powerful in the strike role, you're better off with the Bf110 or Fw190A-5/8 loaded up with bombs.

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More than any other aeroplane in this sim, the Duck taught me many things about becoming a better stick-and-rudder (and mixture and prop pitch) pilot.  If you pay attention to leaning the mixture to 67% and keeping the prop pitch in the sweet spot, those French-made radial engines come alive instead of acting like disinterested dead weight, and you can then dance her around without (much) fear of scattering airframe components amid the treetops.  I hated this bird until folks here clued me in about managing the engines properly.

 

Download the great Panzerknacker scripted campaign and you will have a real blast and become One with the mighty Duck.  

 

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2 hours ago, sevenless said:

It is like an A-10 Tankbuster from another timeframe. Apart from the Il-2 it is (IMHO) the best pure groundpounder in the game. Those 30mm combined with the 20mm are a joy to use.

 

LiveLeak com Gun camera footage of Henschel Hs129 'Panzerknackers' strafing vehicles - YouTube

 

"Blitzschnell stoßen die Schlachtflieger auf den Feind..."

(Quick as lightning/ Like a flash...the Schlachtflieger are meeting the enemy...)

 

Yeah, right :rofl:

 

The footage is very similar to allied strafing attacks. Only half as fast.

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7 hours ago, 216th_Jordan said:

Its also wonderful target practice for russian tanks main gunners. Shot down more than a handful of ducks with the 76mm 😁.

 

A while ago I made a mod to let AI tank gunners shoot at aircraft (as was the case at one point in the original Il-2 before patches removed it)... tank manuals say shoot back at planes... so why not?

 

Anyway, I found the smaller tanks with their faster firing 45mm cannons quite annoying... which makes me think that there might actually be a place for a T-60 or Panzer II in the game someday (even faster firing cannon)?

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35 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

"Blitzschnell stoßen die Schlachtflieger auf den Feind..."

(Quick as lightning/ Like a flash...the Schlachtflieger are meeting the enemy...)

 

 

Yep, that propaganda O-Ton is very "special".

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Cheers all for the observations.

 

Good was actually a poor choice of words on my part, as I really meant good as in the 'is it interesting to fly and achieve mission objectives' sense. I'm not really a MP sort so the whole I will only fly an uberplane thing is of little interest to me.

 

And reading the replies it certainly sounds like this could be an challenging little number, so will add it to the hanger.

 

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Its a fun ground attacker. Better then the Stuka IMO. It has better forward firing weapons and a decent choice of bombs and gun pods.

 

Easier pray for enemy fighters though. It doesn't have a rear turret, which the Stuka does have at least.

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19 hours ago, Stoopy said:

Download the great Panzerknacker scripted campaign and you will have a real blast and become One with the mighty Duck.  

 

Thanks. Did not know there where any

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Engine supplier: "I've got these pretty rubbish French aero engines to dispose of, where should I dump 'em, really don't see anyone being able to do anything decent with them"?

Henschel: "Hold my bräu".

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It is absolute rubbish.  But at the same time, immense fun.

 

As others have said you need complete air domination for it to not be a sitting duck (ah-hah).

 

It is easy to take off once you figure out that some of the controls appear to be reversed to other LW aircraft.

 

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To me, it's as simple as that: It's an excellent tank killer, a bit underpowered. In fact you dont need speed to kill a tank (it's even better for the precision).

 

Killing tanks with a big gun is one of the most satisfying thing in life :happy: 

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I was just talking to someone about this; the pilot makes the plane. The aircraft is very good for attacking light targets when you attach the x4 extra MGs on the bottom. It does do tanks, but it isn't as leisurely as it sounds. The Mk103 does the job, but I find myself having to make a few passes to get 'er done.

 

It also can defend itself a bit of you manage to see a plane behind you. I've personally shot down a P-38, Yak-9T, and an IL-2 1943.

 

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On 1/3/2021 at 12:08 PM, Soilworker said:

Engine management is a little tricky too, you're supposed to use manual prop pitch for cruising, auto for combat and boost for take off.

 

It's really an interesting plane to fly, I highly recommend it. 

 

If you get it I also highly recommend checking out Requiem's video on it (and well any aircraft in IL-2 GB honestly, it's a gold mine, that channel). 

 

 

 

I'd recommend this video too:

 

 

BTW the duck can fly on a single engine as long as you minimize drag (keep the ball in the center, don't let speed fall under 200 km/h, and if I remember correctly, feather the dead engine).

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On 1/4/2021 at 5:06 AM, Jaws2002 said:

Dude!!!! It's $2.99. You can buy five of them for a pack of smokes.  And it's fun to fly as well.

     Of course it's worth it!

 

At the price, by the time you figure out you hate it, it is already a bargain. 

 

Its a fun pane to fly and i suck in it. If I were to become a ground attacker this would be my choice. 

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On 1/3/2021 at 5:08 AM, Soilworker said:

Engine management is a little tricky too, you're supposed to use manual prop pitch for cruising, auto for combat and boost for take off.

 

Do not be discouraged: it is not tricky at all if one knows how "constant speed propeller" works (which BTW is a very relevant concept in general aviation, all the way up to a modern era).

In HS-129 there is a switch to toggle between "constant speed propeller" mode and "prop pitch manual-adjustment" mode.

You have the same switch in most planes, but compared to them HS-129 is simplified because in "constant speed propeller" mode there is only one engine-rpm which cannot be adjusted up or down, as opposed to those other planes.

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