ST_Catchov 451 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 17 hours ago, unreasonable said: That is a bit rich, coming from someone who chooses to live where cricketers keep sandpaper in their underpants. My dear sir, I do not wish to discuss Knox Grammar private school students and their bizarre sexual rituals. An unfortunate practice picked up from those beastly Cambridge types. No class. Link to post Share on other sites
unreasonable 3160 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just now, SeaW0lf said: By the way, I've been flying in ROF since April 2020, quite often, and I haven't seen an invisible plane yet. In fact, I never saw an invisible plane in my 10 years playing Rise of Flight. I have seen AI planes disappear right in front of me in RoF and BoS - but I think that was the "I am too far away from my flight leader" feature rather than a LOD issue. Link to post Share on other sites
Zooropa_Fly 786 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 In 11 odd years of RoF and FC - I've yet to encounter the cloaking plane problem. I'm a famous day dreamer of course. S! 1 Link to post Share on other sites
=IRFC=Hbender 1364 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 4 hours ago, SeaW0lf said: Yes, it happens in single player and it seems off the charts now. Do you remember the single player scenario you were using? Was it a quick mission and how many planes were there etc. Need to find a way to reproduce this consistently. Link to post Share on other sites
Cynic_Al 249 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 19 hours ago, =IRFC=Hellbender said: They can throw it onto the "Invisible planes bug" pile, they can say that the track doesn't help them one bit and they don't have the tools necessary to debug the issue and they can even outright claim that it's not worth fixing. but if you clearly and respectfully outline one case, the least I think they can do is go over it step by step before they reject it. Let's try again: Are you alleging that any of the above actions on the part of the developers have actually been performed? Link to post Share on other sites
J99_Sizzlorr 441 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 18 minutes ago, Cynic_Al said: Let's try again: Are you alleging that any of the above actions on the part of the developers have actually been performed? He is clearly giving examples of what can lead to the Devs not fixing a bug. He most likely means that you have to be very precise in your bug reports, otherwise you just send the developers on a wild goose chase. They need to know how to reproduce the bug to know what is wrong in the code. How should he know how the devs are working behind the scenes? Link to post Share on other sites
Cynic_Al 249 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, J99_Sizzlorr said: He is clearly giving examples of what can lead to the Devs not fixing a bug. He most likely means that you have to be very precise in your bug reports, otherwise you just send the developers on a wild goose chase. They need to know how to reproduce the bug to know what is wrong in the code. How should he know how the devs are working behind the scenes? I'm not interested in your interpretation of what someone else said; that's how conjecture ends-up getting turned into fact. Now kindly get back inside your box and let him answer himself. Link to post Share on other sites
J99_Sizzlorr 441 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Cynic_Al said: I'm not interested in your interpretation of what someone else said; that's how conjecture ends-up getting turned into fact. Now kindly get back inside your box and let him answer himself. When you trun on your brain you can answer your questions by yourself...and I by all means don't hold him back to answer your stupid questions. Now closing my box... Edited January 19 by J99_Sizzlorr Link to post Share on other sites
SeaW0lf 637 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 8 hours ago, unreasonable said: I have seen AI planes disappear right in front of me in RoF and BoS - but I think that was the "I am too far away from my flight leader" feature rather than a LOD issue. I would say it could be a problem inherited from ROF, but it is not even close to what we have here. Invisible planes were part of my streak challenge back in 2019 and 2020 in IL-2. You had to account for 'empty flak', and Bender posted a video of a D7 apearing just on my six. This is something that never happened in ROF, which I always played MP as well, so you have to keep your eyes peeled. In fact I was only informed about this bug here, in Il-2. I had no idea that it happened in ROF and I never saw anyone post about it on chat. Then I think we can link the bug to ROF, but to compare both and say it happened in ROF as well? To a certain point just to say that it might have come from ROF engine. 8 hours ago, =IRFC=Hellbender said: Do you remember the single player scenario you were using? Was it a quick mission and how many planes were there etc. Need to find a way to reproduce this consistently. It was Arras map, me on a Camel and perhaps 5 or six D7s (D7Fs?). Just simple stuff. Link to post Share on other sites
J2_Bidu 445 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Examples of it being mentioned in ROF forum: https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/46349-invisible-enemy-never-saw-it-coming-or-going/?hl=invisible+plane#entry642205 https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/46654-bug-nw-wargrounds-icons/?hl=invisible+plane#entry646273 https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/47398-invisible-handly-page/?hl=invisible#entry657293 Link to post Share on other sites
US213_Talbot 1336 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Imma get the lights. See you guys in the next thread. Link to post Share on other sites
=IRFC=Hbender 1364 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I think I've got a way to reproduce it consistently, could you have a look on your end? (for some reason my bug report was merged with Multiplayer... whatever) Direct link to reply. Link to post Share on other sites
=IRFC=Hbender 1364 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Okay, stop the presses, this time I think I really got it. It's damage to the cowling or some other front part of the D.VII that causes the distant LOD to disappear. Please verify this on your end if you have time. Direct link to reply. I'm going to try the D.VIIF next. Edited January 19 by =IRFC=Hellbender 1 Link to post Share on other sites
No_Face 82 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 For my part, it was when he started to smoke white that I noticed these bugs. So yeah, that might be a good clue. Although I did not rule out the possibility that the smoke allowed me to better realize that he was invisible. Without the smoke, I would have just thought I couldn't see my opponent. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SeaW0lf 637 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, J2_Bidu said: Examples of it being mentioned in ROF forum: https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/46349-invisible-enemy-never-saw-it-coming-or-going/?hl=invisible+plane#entry642205 https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/46654-bug-nw-wargrounds-icons/?hl=invisible+plane#entry646273 https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/47398-invisible-handly-page/?hl=invisible#entry657293 2015 and 2016 were past the 2014 update and I wasn't that present anymore, especially in 2016. But as I said, I never saw anyone mentions an invisible plane on chat in 10 years of play. I'm not saying it does not happen, but it seems to be so far in between that no one really cared about it. Over here it is a serious bug, affecting streaks and game-play. So you can keep posting occurrences in ROF, but I'm not sure what your point is. I already said it could happen, I'm not denying it, although I never saw it in ROF and the problem was never really a problem in multiplayer before and now, quite differently from Il-2. Link to post Share on other sites
J2_Bidu 445 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 2 minutes ago, SeaW0lf said: So you can keep posting occurrences in ROF, but I'm not sure what your point is. My point is it happened before. I distinctly remembered invisible RE8's in BA / FIF. Reason: as a matter of fact, because the opposite was being stated. Link to post Share on other sites
=IRFC=Hbender 1364 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I can reproduce it now in 30 seconds flat: The Fokker D.VIIF is, as far as I can tell, not affected by this issue. But I found another bug! The engine block disappears after taking similar damage. Direct link to reply in bug thread. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
SeaW0lf 637 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 14 minutes ago, J2_Bidu said: My point is it happened before. I distinctly remembered invisible RE8's in BA / FIF. Reason: as a matter of fact, because the opposite was being stated. I think everyone knows that since we noticed the problem here a couple years back. I don't see anyone here denying it happens in ROF. Link to post Share on other sites
J5_Rumey 59 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 11. A damaged Fokker D.VII won't visibly disappear at long distances; Is this some kind of fix? Link to post Share on other sites
=IRFC=Hbender 1364 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, J5_Rumey said: 11. A damaged Fokker D.VII won't visibly disappear at long distances; Is this some kind of fix? Yup, I can't reproduce it anymore. End of an era, I guess? The Fokker D.VIIF engine still turns invisible under similar circumstances. Guess we'll start a new bug thread for that one. Though really it might be better to just remove the D.VIIF from the game altogether. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
J5_Baeumer 1082 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 It was the best of times and the worst of times (it just depended on what side of the lines you flew from). Now who is going to start the pool for what will become the top complaint of teabag flyers stationed at the front, now that they don't have the little Fokkers DVIIf to kick around anymore? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
US213_Talbot 1336 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 1 hour ago, J5_Baeumer said: Now who is going to start the pool for what will become the top complaint of teabag flyers stationed at the front, now that they don't have the little Fokkers DVIIf to kick around anymore? How about fixing the wings on the albatros and halberstadt? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
J2_Trupobaw 898 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 (edited) 5 hours ago, J5_Baeumer said: Now who is going to start the pool for what will become the top complaint of teabag flyers stationed at the front, now that they don't have the little Fokkers DVIIf to kick around anymore? My top complaint as Dolphin lover (it says so on my stats page) is having to fly for Entente to balance the server in first place, because everybody and his dog flies as German these days. Or it would be my top complaint if I forgot to bring my Teutonic resolve when switching sides. :pickelhaube_emoji: Edited February 17 by J2_Trupobaw 1 Link to post Share on other sites
=IRFC=Hbender 1364 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 3 hours ago, US213_Talbot said: How about fixing the wings on the albatros and halberstadt? 13 minutes ago, J2_Trupobaw said: My top complaint as Dolphin lover (it says so on my stats page) is having to fly for Entente to balance the server in first place, because everybody and his dog flies as German these days. Or it would be my top complaint if I forgot to bring my Teutonic resolve when switching sides. :pickelhaube_emoji: [cries in Sopwith Dolphin main] 😭 Eh, I still think the wings on the Dolphin are fine. It's much more of a problem with the Camel, whose wings are less fragile but which you will routinely subject to higher G. The control cables going from a single burst, now that is pure frustration. Lately I can attritube all my deaths to them. In fact, I can't remember the last time I was wounded or lost my wings due to excessive maneuvering. Then the fact that both the Bristol and S.E.5a have adjustable stabilizer backup (which they clearly just forgot about) makes it compelling to just fly those instead. The fact that the Albatros has all but disappeared in multiplayer is understandable, and on the rare occasion that the sides are stacked for Entente and that I get to fly Central, I'll be in a Pfalz. Anyway, this is a battle for another time and another thread. If new planes are indeed coming, which at least according to Jason they are, and they are the ones on which research had already started back in the old RoF days, then Entente won't have to complain about the Fokker D.VIIF being unmatched for long. Link to post Share on other sites
1PL-Husar-1Esk 1253 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 The simplistic and unrealistic for ww1 aeroplanes control surface damage model need to be changed for me to say that I'm ok with FC. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
J5_Rumey 59 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 14 hours ago, =IRFC=Hbender said: Yup, I can't reproduce it anymore. End of an era, I guess? The Fokker D.VIIF engine still turns invisible under similar circumstances. Guess we'll start a new bug thread for that one. Though really it might be better to just remove the D.VIIF from the game altogether. Or hmm maybe the camel... we don't really need that right? 😉 Boring plane Link to post Share on other sites
J2_Trupobaw 898 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 6 hours ago, =IRFC=Hbender said: Anyway, this is a battle for another time and another thread. If new planes are indeed coming, which at least according to Jason they are, and they are the ones on which research had already started back in the old RoF days, then Entente won't have to complain about the Fokker D.VIIF being unmatched for long. I don't see Entente players switching to complains about Siemens-Schuckert D.IV as large improvement :). 1 Link to post Share on other sites
J5_Klugermann 695 Posted Monday at 08:14 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:14 PM Still better than these vanishing D7s 2 Link to post Share on other sites
J2_Trupobaw 898 Posted Tuesday at 01:12 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:12 PM I still can't see my 200hp D.VII... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
US93_Larner 1609 Posted Tuesday at 10:43 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:43 PM 9 hours ago, J2_Trupobaw said: I still can't see my 200hp D.VII... It's right there! Getting dived on by that 235 hp SPAD! oh, wait... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
J2_Trupobaw 898 Posted Wednesday at 12:03 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:03 AM (edited) 15 hours ago, US93_Larner said: It's right there! Getting dived on by that 235 hp SPAD! oh, wait... Invisible Spad. Now I've seen everything Edited Wednesday at 02:10 PM by J2_Trupobaw Link to post Share on other sites
J5_Baeumer 1082 Posted Wednesday at 12:11 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:11 AM aaannnnddd....this chapter has just about come to a close. I hope. Finally. Link to post Share on other sites
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