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Hello, very new to this STEAM lark, used IL2 the old premium edition back in the day and now entered the next century...at last. If I buy and download a new collector plane, such as the HS129 does it just appear for me/my unit to fly or would it appear in other units? For instance if I was with a fighter squadron and tasked with ground attack cover could I be covering a flight of HS129s? And the same really for all the other collector planes. I'm a relative novice at the of BoS, completed one career flying a 109G2 and now repeating the career in a 109F4, I just think it needs a bit more variety.

Many thanks. Phil.

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Hi Phil,

 

I’m going to assume that you only have the Battle of Stalingrad module - and according to the store page, purchasing the HS129 would allow you to fly it in a career in Stalingrad - or Kuban - (as well as in the Quick Mission Builder - QMB - and in any single mission made for it).

 

However, if you would like to escort them in a Bf109 career mission, they should already be in the game (AI flown) - but you would have to select a Bf109 unit that was stationed near where the HS129’s operated.


I don’t really know which units that would be (maybe someone else will know), but if you did purchase the HS129, you could fly a career in it and make note of the areas that you operate in.  Then select a Bf109 career that operates in that area, and I would think that you should get some HS129 escort missions.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

Rod

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Hi Hot_Rod, thank you. Yep, only BoS for the time being. As I said I had the complete edition on cd a few years ago, only launched into the STEAM community because Win10 is a pain in the backside when it comes to playng older games. Silent Hunter, Flying Corps, BoB and Il2 to name a few. I'm not desperate to accompany a flight of HS129s (athough it is one of my favourite aircraft of WW2), I just wanted a bit more variety in the planes that I meet in the sky. Once I've done Stalingrad to death I'll go back for Moscow and then forward to Kuban and see where it takes me.

Thanks again.

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4 hours ago, pippa101 said:

Hello, very new to this STEAM lark, used IL2 the old premium edition back in the day and now entered the next century...at last.

 

Honestly if you already have a non-Steam version of IL-2 then going with Steam is just going to complicate everything for you. My advice is buy from the website, there's nothing "old fashioned" about it, it's just a different method (in fact Steam has been around longer that the IL-2 GB website) and on top of that the developers get more money because Steam isn't taking cut.

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In short, you have everything in your computer. When you buy you get access to it. 
If you want to escort HS 129 in a BF 109 you do only need to own the 109 you fly. 
When it comes to maps you can fly multiplayer on all, but in singleplayer you only access the map you bought

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If you own it, you can fly it.  If you don't own it you can still fly missions with AI flying it and you either help it or kill it.

Maps are a little funky.  You can only use the maps that you own in single player, but apparently you can fly on any map in multiplayer.  

 

If you purchased BoS then you can:

- Fly single player on the Stalingrad map

- Fly a Stalingrad career with any squadron that has a plane that you own.

- If for some reason a squadron stops using the plane that you own you can transfer and continue your career.

- Fly any single player campaign that you own on the Stalingrad map.

- Fly multiplayer in any plane that you own on any map

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20 hours ago, Soilworker said:

 

Honestly if you already have a non-Steam version of IL-2 then going with Steam is just going to complicate everything for you. My advice is buy from the website, there's nothing "old fashioned" about it, it's just a different method (in fact Steam has been around longer that the IL-2 GB website) and on top of that the developers get more money because Steam isn't taking cut.

Thank you, but my issue was that my non-steam version wouldn't work anymore. I had many hours worth of help - online and physical - trying to work around the win 10 problem but none of the usual fixes/patches would work with my machine. So I gave up on it. I'm happy with the steam version and will add more once I'm really comfortable (or bored) with what I'm doing now. I was holding out for the Mocrosoft FS 2020 but this seems to have been released before it was ready, so I'll wait a little longer and content myself with Il2.

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4 hours ago, pippa101 said:

Thank you, but my issue was that my non-steam version wouldn't work anymore. I had many hours worth of help - online and physical - trying to work around the win 10 problem but none of the usual fixes/patches would work with my machine. 

 

I read this but don't understand it, because this makes no sense. The steam version of great battles is the same as the non steam version, only differing in how you buy it. Are you confusing GB with an earlier generation of IL-2? That's not so hard to do, because both CLoD and 1946 are still played. CLoD just got an expansion, even, so the naming of the games can be confusing. 

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2 hours ago, ACG_KaiLae said:

 

 

I read this but don't understand it, because this makes no sense. The steam version of great battles is the same as the non steam version, only differing in how you buy it. Are you confusing GB with an earlier generation of IL-2? That's not so hard to do, because both CLoD and 1946 are still played. CLoD just got an expansion, even, so the naming of the games can be confusing. 

Hi my original Il2 was on dvd-rom by Ubisoft from 2005 and included the aces expansion pack, forgotten battles pack and Pacific fighters pack. The IL2 Sturmovik series 'complete edition'. Hope it makes sense now?

On 10/10/2020 at 4:46 PM, Soilworker said:

 

Honestly if you already have a non-Steam version of IL-2 then going with Steam is just going to complicate everything for you. My advice is buy from the website, there's nothing "old fashioned" about it, it's just a different method (in fact Steam has been around longer that the IL-2 GB website) and on top of that the developers get more money because Steam isn't taking cut.

Sorry, just figured this out; I think. You are saying that the content is available from somewhere other than STEAM? See above, my original version was the DVD-ROM version from 2003 with the complete edition from 2005.

Thanks.

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1 hour ago, pippa101 said:

Hi my original Il2 was on dvd-rom by Ubisoft from 2005 and included the aces expansion pack, forgotten battles pack and Pacific fighters pack. The IL2 Sturmovik series 'complete edition'. Hope it makes sense now?

This is IL-2 1946. It is a completely different game. This here is the forum of IL-2 Great Battles Series, which started 2013, IIRC.

 

You might want to take a look here, this is the section of this forum for IL-2 1946

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/123-general-discussion/

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I don’t mean to speak for pippa101, but I think there is some confusion on all sides here. 
The OP stated that he does have BOS

On 10/10/2020 at 11:43 AM, pippa101 said:

Hi Hot_Rod, thank you. Yep, only BoS for the time being. As I said I had the complete edition on cd a few years ago, only launched into the STEAM community because Win10 is a pain in the backside when it comes to playng older games. Silent Hunter, Flying Corps, BoB and Il2 to name a few. I'm not desperate to accompany a flight of HS129s (athough it is one of my favourite aircraft of WW2), I just wanted a bit more variety in the planes that I meet in the sky. Once I've done Stalingrad to death I'll go back for Moscow and then forward to Kuban and see where it takes me.

Thanks again.

So he is on the correct forum - Il-2 Great Battles (AKA: Battle of Stalingrad, Battle of Moscow, Battle of Kuban, Battle of Bodenplatte and (WIP) Battle of Normandy).

 

However those titles have never been available on DVD (only through online download), and they are not directly related to the earlier Il-2 series (specifically Forgotten Battles, Ace Expansion Pack, Pacific Fighters, Il-2 1946, or Cliffs of Dover).

 

5 hours ago, pippa101 said:You are saying that the content is available from somewhere other than STEAM? See above, my original version was the DVD-ROM version from 2003 with the complete edition from 2005.

 

Hi again Phil,

 

If you click on the bold “Il*2 Sturmovik” logo at the top of any page of the forum, it will take you to the Il-2 store, where you can purchase the individual modules, collector planes & scripted campaigns directly from the game developers.

However, since you already have BOS on Steam, any purchases you make from the store will have to be linked to your steam account.

 

I’m not a Steam user for this series (only Cliffs of Dover), so I’m not familiar with the linking process - perhaps someone who is familiar with it will chime in?

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12 minutes ago, pippa101 said:

No, I never had 1946. Mine was the 'original' Il2.

OK, but it is from the 1946 series. 1946 is a later version (4.007, if I remember corectly) of the original IL-2. While the Great Battles Series, formerly known as IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad, is a completely new series on a completely new game engine.

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1 hour ago, Yogiflight said:

OK, but it is from the 1946 series. 1946 is a later version (4.007, if I remember corectly) of the original IL-2. While the Great Battles Series, formerly known as IL-2 Battle of Stalingrad, is a completely new series on a completely new game engine.

Thank you, I do understand. There are many similarities though, and not just the name. The original game/sim came with a keyboard quick reference card and around 90% (I haven't counted) of the keys are assigned to the same controls/functions within the game.

I really liked flying a Gladiator or Fiat G50 in Finnish colours during the Winter War, but I am looking forward to flying over North Africa at some time in the future. The possibilities are almost endless, how about Barbarossa? Crete?

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Similarities maybe but it's not the same game. The first in this series is Battle of Stalingrad which came out in 2013. Subsequent modules have been released since then and can be used stand-alone but all incorporate into one game when you buy multiple title from this series. It is known ast the Great Battles series. 

 

Here is the store page, it defaults to the current, early access module, Battle of Normandy (still under development) but there are links to the finished titles.

 

https://il2sturmovik.com/store/battle-of-normandy/

 

If you want to fly in North Africa then you should look at IL-2 Desert Wings - this is based on IL-2 Cliffs of Dover which is not Great Battles, be aware of that.

If you want more info on that I can give you some but not much as I'm not interested in it until VR support is added. Others however can tell you more than I. 

 

My advice is to browse through the store page and see what's available for this iteration of IL-2, I know it's a bit confusing with so many IL-2 titles out there but the main thing is this one is the most current, known as Great Battles, all the main titles in this series start with "Battle of...", the exceptions being Flying Circus (WWI) and Tank Crew (tank sim). 

 

Hope this is helpful. 

 

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This new Great Battles is superior. Even the CloD was superior when it was released with all the issues it had that it obsoleted original IL-2 and there was no going back to original IL-2. You have come right in time back to IL-2 series since this Great Battles series is now worthy replacement, not just superior.

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58 minutes ago, Soilworker said:

Similarities maybe but it's not the same game. The first in this series is Battle of Stalingrad which came out in 2013. Subsequent modules have been released since then and can be used stand-alone but all incorporate into one game when you buy multiple title from this series. It is known ast the Great Battles series. 

 

Here is the store page, it defaults to the current, early access module, Battle of Normandy (still under development) but there are links to the finished titles.

 

https://il2sturmovik.com/store/battle-of-normandy/

 

If you want to fly in North Africa then you should look at IL-2 Desert Wings - this is based on IL-2 Cliffs of Dover which is not Great Battles, be aware of that.

If you want more info on that I can give you some but not much as I'm not interested in it until VR support is added. Others however can tell you more than I. 

 

My advice is to browse through the store page and see what's available for this iteration of IL-2, I know it's a bit confusing with so many IL-2 titles out there but the main thing is this one is the most current, known as Great Battles, all the main titles in this series start with "Battle of...", the exceptions being Flying Circus (WWI) and Tank Crew (tank sim). 

 

Hope this is helpful. 

 

Very helpful thank you, I am now seeing the full picture. To fly 'Desert Wings' I need to first add 'Cliffs of Dover'?

Cheers.

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Cliffs is a completely different sim.  It came between the original IL2 and the "Battle of" series that we are playing now.  You cannot "add" it to Battle of Stalingrad.

 

The historic progression is thus:

 

1:Original IL2, IL2 Forgotten Battles, IL2 Pacific Fighters, and IL2 1946.  All part of the same series and game engine.

 

2: IL2 Cliffs of Dover and IL2 Desert Wings. Both based on a different game engine than the original, and not compatible with it.

 

3: IL2 Great Battles Series, comprised of Battle of Stalingrad, Battle of Moscow, Battle of Kuban, Battle of Bodenplatte, the upcoming Battle of Normandy, and Flying Circus and Tank Crew.  These are all an integrated series, and are NOT compatible with original IL2 or the Cliffs of Dover series.

 

Hope this clears up your confusion.  As a side note, I originally purchased Battle of Stalingrad through Steam, I have subsequently purchased every other version of Great Battles through the IL2 store here and linked them all with my Steam install.

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1 hour ago, pippa101 said:

Very helpful thank you, I am now seeing the full picture. To fly 'Desert Wings' I need to first add 'Cliffs of Dover'?

Cheers.

 

What BlitzPig_EL said. It's a separate game to Great Battles. (This is the GB forum.) 

 

For CloD and Desert Wings on their own I personally can't tell you because as I said I simply haven't looked into it due to lack of VR support, as soon as that's available it'll be a different story. 

 

That's another point, if your budget can support it look into VR with Great Battles, it's an amazing experience, most people on here that use VR won't go back to 2D.

 

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1 hour ago, messsucher said:

Yeah, I have now become like used to VR. No going back to 2D, just no way. It is VR or nothing. This I realized when flew I-16 yesterday.

Ok, so at the moment I'm not using VR, now would be a good time to go to CloD and desert wings (if I'm going to at all) because if I stick with Great Battles and move to VR then like you it will be like going backwards. Unless of course the GB people are looking to migrate /create a Crete/North Africa great battles campaign.

Thank you all again. And sorry for any confusion; the BlitzPig_EL post above is just what I needed.

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1 hour ago, messsucher said:

Yeah, I have now become like used to VR. No going back to 2D, just no way. It is VR or nothing. This I realized when flew I-16 yesterday.

 

Good to hear, messsucher! Overcome the first world problems? 😊

 

(Are you a Leica M fan? 😏

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16 minutes ago, Soilworker said:

 

Good to hear, messsucher! Overcome the first world problems? 😊

 

(Are you a Leica M fan? 😏

 

Yeah, did overcome them, was just a matter to become fully comfortable with new superior things you have.

 

(And yeah, I am very big Leica M fan. The transition from full frame Nikon's was smoother than 2D to 3D. First time I held Leica M in my hand I immediately noticed the solid construction and like natural measurements for hands. Then clicked the button and it was convincing small "click", not TWANK, like in mirror shutter cameras. The clarity of the viewfinder is impressive, no more peeking through some dark tunnel with multiple mirrors and finally a distorting lense on the way. No more RNG with manual focusing but SNAP focusing. Camera bag with lenses got lighter and smaller, and that is a biggie too. And if you photograph people everyone love Leica, the same can't be said of full frame DSLR monsters 😄 )

 

(Edit: Oh forgot the lenses, with Leica you can forget the lenses, they are just good, no need to think them a second 😄 )

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5 minutes ago, pippa101 said:

Ok, so at the moment I'm not using VR, now would be a good time to go to CloD and desert wings (if I'm going to at all) because if I stick with Great Battles and move to VR then like you it will be like going backwards. Unless of course the GB people are looking to migrate /create a Crete/North Africa great battles campaign.

Thank you all again. And sorry for any confusion; the BlitzPig_EL post above is just what I needed.

 

Why would the latest IL-2 with the latest graphical tech be going backwards? 😅

 

It's very unlikely we'll see a North Africa scenario with GB in the near future because of CloD/DW, they're all the same company so they'd be kinda shooting themselves in the foot financially. Plus they really want to do the Pacific, they just have problems sourcing info on the Japanese aircraft. 

 

But my advice is don't limit yourself to one theater, that's what I did for years, I was only interested in WWI and really wanted to play Rise of Flight in VR. BoS came out but at that time I wasn't interested in the Eastern Front (or WWII in general much) so I didn't buy it. I ended up buying it on a whim about a year before they added VR support but never played it until VR actually came out, then I installed it straight away and have been hooked ever since. (Now I've lost interest in WWI. 😅

2 minutes ago, messsucher said:

 

Yeah, did overcome them, was just a matter to become fully comfortable with new superior things you have.

 

(And yeah, I am very big Leica M fan. The transition from full frame Nikon's was smoother than 2D to 3D. First time I held Leica M in my hand I immediately noticed the solid construction and like natural measurements for hands. Then clicked the button and it was convincing small "click", not TWANK, like in mirror shutter cameras. The clarity of the viewfinder is impressive, no more peeking through some dark tunnel with multiple mirrors and finally a distorting lense on the way. No more RNG with manual focusing but SNAP focusing. Camera bag with lenses got lighter and smaller, and that is a biggie too. And if you photograph people everyone love Leica, the same can't be said of full frame DSLR monsters 😄 )

 

Ah yes, I also used to use a monster Nikon D800, made the switch to Fujifilm (XT-2) and yeah it's so nice to fit everything in a small camera bag, plus the tactile response and sound and everything from that style of camera is wonderful - obviously not in the same league as Leica but I can't justify the price myself. (I do also have Zorki 3 and 4 rangefinders and they're fun to shoot with, very quirky though. 😅

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30 minutes ago, Soilworker said:

Ah yes, I also used to use a monster Nikon D800, made the switch to Fujifilm (XT-2) and yeah it's so nice to fit everything in a small camera bag, plus the tactile response and sound and everything from that style of camera is wonderful - obviously not in the same league as Leica but I can't justify the price myself. (I do also have Zorki 3 and 4 rangefinders and they're fun to shoot with, very quirky though. 😅

 

(Fujifilm XT-2 is a very good camera and Zorkis are fun as are all Russian cameras.)

49 minutes ago, pippa101 said:

Ok, so at the moment I'm not using VR, now would be a good time to go to CloD and desert wings (if I'm going to at all) because if I stick with Great Battles and move to VR then like you it will be like going backwards. Unless of course the GB people are looking to migrate /create a Crete/North Africa great battles campaign.

Thank you all again. And sorry for any confusion; the BlitzPig_EL post above is just what I needed.

 

In my opinion you should go to Tobruk since you like that theme. The feeling of the battle theater can be important. You don't have VR now so you don't miss anything regarding. Tobruk is a bit more "old school", meaning the usability of menus and stuff is not quite the same as in this new Battles series, think they have worse career mode and less solo play campaigns too. But the flying and combat is fine, some could argue the best there is.

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1 hour ago, Soilworker said:

 

Why would the latest IL-2 with the latest graphical tech be going backwards? 😅

 

It's very unlikely we'll see a North Africa scenario with GB in the near future because of CloD/DW, they're all the same company so they'd be kinda shooting themselves in the foot financially. Plus they really want to do the Pacific, they just have problems sourcing info on the Japanese aircraft. 

 

But my advice is don't limit yourself to one theater, that's what I did for years, I was only interested in WWI and really wanted to play Rise of Flight in VR. BoS came out but at that time I wasn't interested in the Eastern Front (or WWII in general much) so I didn't buy it. I ended up buying it on a whim about a year before they added VR support but never played it until VR actually came out, then I installed it straight away and have been hooked ever since. (Now I've lost interest in WWI. 😅

 

Ah yes, I also used to use a monster Nikon D800, made the switch to Fujifilm (XT-2) and yeah it's so nice to fit everything in a small camera bag, plus the tactile response and sound and everything from that style of camera is wonderful - obviously not in the same league as Leica but I can't justify the price myself. (I do also have Zorki 3 and 4 rangefinders and they're fun to shoot with, very quirky though. 😅

Sorry I meant that if I stick with GB and move to VR going to CloD and DW and non VR would be like going backwards. I liked Flying Corps back in the day so brought RoF LITE a few years ago. I will go to WW1 again some time. I have regularly moved between theatres and periods over the years.

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3 hours ago, Soilworker said:

It's very unlikely we'll see a North Africa scenario with GB in the near future because of CloD/DW, they're all the same company so they'd be kinda shooting themselves in the foot financially.

 

I'll settle for Malta and Italy (and maybe Greece).

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4 hours ago, pippa101 said:

Sorry I meant that if I stick with GB and move to VR going to CloD and DW and non VR would be like going backwards. I liked Flying Corps back in the day so brought RoF LITE a few years ago. I will go to WW1 again some time. I have regularly moved between theatres and periods over the years.

 

Ah I see.

2 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

 

I'll settle for Malta and Italy (and maybe Greece).

 

I reckon they're in the same or a similar boat.

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34 minutes ago, Soilworker said:

 

I reckon they're in the same or a similar boat.

 

They are, in that they’re both relatively unknown theaters to the market as a whole (a smattering of forum goers in a pole or two aside)

 

Most real life aviation enthusiasts I know couldn’t fill a thimble with what they know of those corners of the war.

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53 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

They are, in that they’re both relatively unknown theaters to the market as a whole (a smattering of forum goers in a pole or two aside)

 

Most real life aviation enthusiasts I know couldn’t fill a thimble with what they know of those corners of the war.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't early P40's fly there?

 

Have a nice day.

 

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51 minutes ago, FlyingShark said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't early P40's fly there?

 

Have a nice day.

 

:salute:

 

Not Greece, not Malta. P-40s were confined to the African coast of the Med until the desert war was over. They did go along on the invasion of Sicily in 43 though.

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6 hours ago, 216th_Cat said:

Not Greece, not Malta. P-40s were confined to the African coast of the Med until the desert war was over. They did go along on the invasion of Sicily in 43 though.

Ah ok, thank you for the information.

 

Have a nice day.

 

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10 hours ago, Soilworker said:

 

Ah I see.

 

I reckon they're in the same or a similar boat.

I've said it twice now but Crete, could easily be boxed up with Greece and Malta and the Balkans. May not introduce too many new aircraft types but the scenery would be stunning.

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