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17 hours ago, HunDread said:

 

Could you point out what numbers you are exactly looking at? I think the only one I may have been able to identify is the number under true VRM. Like 8x on the picture. I see smart powar phases too but have no idea what's the important number there. Like is it the 70A on the picture?

 

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On 11/18/2020 at 4:39 AM, kendo said:

 

But looking forward to getting a 5600X, probably early in the new year.

 

 

Good luck kendo! I just happened to score a 5600X out of pure luck - perusing a local computer shop and they had limited online stock. Buy button pressed, processor inbound - should have it next week! :yahoo:

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Congrats on that!!  👍

 

From what I've been hearing it is going to make a big difference.

 

I'm having moments of weakness and impatience....and beginning to ask if I can get mine before Christmas... 🙂  

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23 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

5800X, X570 Tomahawk, Tx16GB 3600 CL16 (make sure Dual Rank - or you'll lose up to 10%).

Ok price range isn't far from each other in complete upgrade...100€ more for 5800x!

I planned to upgrade cpu, mobo and psu, while gpu when available (3080 or amd).

My biggest concern right now is that reverb g2 have issues with x570 motherboards.

Now if performance difference (in il2 mainly) is not huge i'd stick with intel/nvidia but if 5800x/5600x make quite bigger jump in performance i will go for amd. 

 

Already having 2x16GB vengance lpx 3200mhz ram sticks

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3 hours ago, hedger72 said:

 

Good luck kendo! I just happened to score a 5600X out of pure luck - perusing a local computer shop and they had limited online stock. Buy button pressed, processor inbound - should have it next week! :yahoo:

Congrats mate! Welcome to the speed wagon! 

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37 minutes ago, LF_Gallahad said:

Congrats mate! Welcome to the speed wagon! 

 

Thanks mate - must say, I'm pretty darn excited (especially since my current CPU is 9 years old!)! Quick question for you; are you running the stock cooler? Or did you go with an after market job? I'm not one for overclocking, so I'm sure that the supplied cooler will suffice, but I'm curious nonetheless. 

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1 minute ago, hedger72 said:

 

Thanks mate - must say, I'm pretty darn excited (especially since my current CPU is 9 years old!)! Quick question for you; are you running the stock cooler? Or did you go with an after market job? I'm not one for overclocking, so I'm sure that the supplied cooler will suffice, but I'm curious nonetheless. 

Oh ask me anything you need! 

 

I am a little bit of stupid when it comes to harwdare (and have hands too big) but I was told by a friend. I am using an H110i liquid cooler with the stock PBO in BIOS and XMP profile. Both are just a click in BIOS.

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40 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

I’ll say again - 5800x is the unsung sweet spot. 

 

Agree Gambit, and I was really hoping for the 5800X myself, but it's a $210CDN uplift over the 5600X (50% more), and that brought it out of my budgetary scope. 

2 minutes ago, LF_Gallahad said:

Oh ask me anything you need! 

 

I am a little bit of stupid when it comes to harwdare (and have hands too big) but I was told by a friend. I am using an H110i liquid cooler with the stock PBO in BIOS and XMP profile. Both are just a click in BIOS.

 

Thanks for the offer! Dang, that sounds significant! I've never been able to wrap my head around the whole "liquid cooling" mentality - I mean, I understand why and how it works, but I'm a little sheepish to be pumping liquid through fairly expensive, electronic equipment 😜

 

I'm old school and will probably go with good ol' air cooling, but am just on the fence regarding sticking with the stock cooler, or spending on a new one. 

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20 minutes ago, hedger72 said:

 

Agree Gambit, and I was really hoping for the 5800X myself, but it's a $210CDN uplift over the 5600X (50% more), and that brought it out of my budgetary scope. 

 

Thanks for the offer! Dang, that sounds significant! I've never been able to wrap my head around the whole "liquid cooling" mentality - I mean, I understand why and how it works, but I'm a little sheepish to be pumping liquid through fairly expensive, electronic equipment 😜

 

I'm old school and will probably go with good ol' air cooling, but am just on the fence regarding sticking with the stock cooler, or spending on a new one. 

 

I feel you! I was like that, but AIOs are usually more safe than custom loops and nowadays things have changed. 

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I've got an X570 MB, 32 Gig 3600 RAM ,a 1Tb PCIE 4 M2 and a replacement AM4 retainer for my AIO sat beside me waiting for a CPU.. I missed out on release day and was really unlucky with a mad scramble 5800x I did mange to get in a basket and was loading the checkout, when it timed out and then when I went back all sold out.

I'm going to overclock and have read the 5600 and 5800 hit similar numbers but are capped . So am looking to save a little and get the 5600x

But at the moment if a 5900x came up at retail I'd snap it up. I'd spring the extra without a second thought .But I would have to think if a 5800x comes up.

Either way doesn't matter. All chips are out performing Intel in single thread performance . I've been intel for so long now it'll be nice to try AMD again, not had an AMD since the early 2000's and the early Athlons.

 

I was looking at 6800xt as well, to replace the 1080Ti I have at the moment. But am still very much on the fence between getting a 3080 or the 6800xt and as supply isn't exactly meeting demand at the moment I have time to decide whether to make that jump to full red again  :)

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13 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

How?

 

He was just really fast on the draw and was watching this stock watcher channel on YouTube. As it turns out, he was still watching it this morning and let me know that 5600Xs and 5800Xs were in stock at Best Buy, so on my second attempt I was able to snag a 5600X, which is more than enough for me (not to mention, about half the price). So, I should have my CPU on Monday the 30th.

 

 

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Got lucky and picked up a 5800X (Canada/Newegg). I haven't had a chance to set up my HOTAS yet but I will try and do some benchmarking this weekend (I saw the other thread, I'll do what I can and report back).

 

 

INTIAL REPORT (sans proper benchmark) - It's running a hell of a lot better on the new rig -- I did a dogfight over brussels and kept a steady 90 with my previous settings the entire time. Old rig would have been ~60ish over the city (same gpu, same settings are prior rig). My x56 throttle is finally starting to die though, getting ghost inputs now, I may have to finally bite the bullet and get a Virpil throttle soon.

 

(5800X/Gigabyte B550 Aorus AC/32gb 3600mhz (running at 3200mhz because of board issues with XMP)

Upgrading from 6700k/16gb-2400.

 

GTX 1080 (trying to get a 3080.. no luck yet :P) for now. 

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On 11/19/2020 at 8:32 PM, =VARP=Ribbon said:

5800x/5600x

we have one 5600X and one 5800X and they show almost same performance on the SYN_Vader benchmark.

Which is 20% more than a 9900K.

If IL-2 is the only game you play it seems 5600X is the choice. Why one should pick the 5800X?

(probably we will need more test, one test of each is not enough to extract conclusions)

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9 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

we have one 5600X and one 5800X and they show almost same performance on the SYN_Vader benchmark.

Which is 20% more than a 9900K.

If IL-2 is the only game you play it seems 5600X is the choice. Why one should pick the 5800X?

(probably we will need more test, one test of each is not enough to extract conclusions)

 

This is not the only game i play and since this is the last series of CPUs for the M4 socket i want more life out of the platform. 

 While six core is just fine for now we don't know how long this will be the case.

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10 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

we have one 5600X and one 5800X and they show almost same performance on the SYN_Vader benchmark.

Which is 20% more than a 9900K.

If IL-2 is the only game you play it seems 5600X is the choice. Why one should pick the 5800X?

(probably we will need more test, one test of each is not enough to extract conclusions)

At the end i went for i7 10700k, G2 problems with x570 mobos drifted me away from amd aswell stock UNavailability!

Maybe my next build will be amd.

 

Thnx guys, keep up with benchmark reports!

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My 5950X is due to arrive next week. Delivery of 200 coming in and I'm 80th in the queue. This will be cooled by 600mm X 60mm XSPC RX V2.0 rads and 10 NB eLoop 2K PWM fans with an Aquacomputer Cuplex Next Vario Vision block (its the one where you can change the curve of the flat plate a bit) sitting in an Asus Crosshair VIII Hero. 4 by 8GB sticks of 3200/14-14-14-31 ram and a couple of 1TB NVMe G3 drives. I missed out on the 6800XT this week by a smidgen and I'll try again on the 25th. The tech tubers are really beginning to piss me off with some of them individually holding 5 x 3080s, 6800 & 6800XTs while proclaiming if it wasn't for them we wouldn't know what to buy and that they deserve everything because of all the hard work they've done in the last 6 weeks. In best Linus tradition I say 🖕tech tubers... Bunch of jumped up benchmarkers whinging that AMD is letting them down because they don't support streaming with noise cancellation like Nvidia does. For us in IL2 land it looks like this - 3090 King of the hill, then 6900XT then a closely fought battle between the 3080 and 6800XT with the former better at 4K altitudes and the latter better 1440 and below. 

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2 hours ago, robbiec said:

My 5950X is due to arrive next week. Delivery of 200 coming in and I'm 80th in the queue. This will be cooled by 600mm X 60mm XSPC RX V2.0 rads and 10 NB eLoop 2K PWM fans with an Aquacomputer Cuplex Next Vario Vision block (its the one where you can change the curve of the flat plate a bit) sitting in an Asus Crosshair VIII Hero. 4 by 8GB sticks of 3200/14-14-14-31 ram and a couple of 1TB NVMe G3 drives. I missed out on the 6800XT this week by a smidgen and I'll try again on the 25th. The tech tubers are really beginning to piss me off with some of them individually holding 5 x 3080s, 6800 & 6800XTs while proclaiming if it wasn't for them we wouldn't know what to buy and that they deserve everything because of all the hard work they've done in the last 6 weeks. In best Linus tradition I say 🖕tech tubers... Bunch of jumped up benchmarkers whinging that AMD is letting them down because they don't support streaming with noise cancellation like Nvidia does. For us in IL2 land it looks like this - 3090 King of the hill, then 6900XT then a closely fought battle between the 3080 and 6800XT with the former better at 4K altitudes and the latter better 1440 and below. 

Nice set up and I agree on your breakdown of GFX and where things sit. I'm waiting to pick up a 5600x or 5900x whichever gets restocked first. Missed out there on launch day and missed out on GFX too. But maybe that's a good thing, I'm just waiting to see how the pricing settles before I make final choice on either a 6800xt or a 3080.

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On 11/17/2020 at 11:46 PM, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Until I can run more sophisticated benchmarks for specialised use-cases (IL-2/DCS), these should help comparison. I tuned the RTX 3080 breaking 2000MHz, Memory 2x16GB DDR4-3600 DR to CL14-15-15-30, set 5900X to PBO, but didn't disable the second Die yet, which would probably help IL-2 even more.

 

The thing is blazing fast. Blazing fast.

 

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/35564379

 

My try with similar config:

https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/35811763

 

I forgot to turn off v-sync, though 😄

 

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Did some playing with my 5800X today. IL-2 benchmarks in the SYN_Vader/Chiliwilli thread..

 

With PBO I managed to get single core boosts up to ~5040mhz

Cinebench multicore: 6090

Cinebench single core: 634

I've got it all just back to defaults now (so max boost ~5840mhz) but I'm quite pleased with the jump up from my 6700k. I'm pretty happy with my decision to upgrade, I really didn't realize how much of a difference it would make on the CPU side alone. Whenever I can get one, I plan on getting a 3080 as well and I'll do another round of tests (like the 4K/VR IL-2 bench).

 

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6 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Nice, did you OC the base clock on the 5900x? It boosts 100mhz higher on all-core.

 

My single core boost goes up to 4950MHz. What is that in Intel terms, 6GHz? This rig is out of this world :fly:

No, no, it is still stock. Or rather "auto", who knows what the MOBO is doing. My chip seems to be good, every single core on the faster chiplet boost over 4950 Mhz on stock. 

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10 minutes ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

@SCG_Fenris_Wolf , @thermoregulator and all Zen3 or RTX30x0 owners. We would like to know how those beasts behave in IL-2. The SYN_Vander becnhmark is ready for you.

Many of us would like to decide 5600X, 5800X or 5900X?

Also 3080, 3090, or 6800XT?

I am looking forward to try the benchmark, just need to find some time to do it. Maybe during the weekend...

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@chiliwili69 I have seen 4 to 5 different versions and wrote it off. Please let me know which is the right one, I can't wade through all the threads right now. I'll benchmark it.

 

3 hours ago, thermoregulator said:

No, no, it is still stock. Or rather "auto", who knows what the MOBO is doing. My chip seems to be good, every single core on the faster chiplet boost over 4950 Mhz on stock. 

 Do you use Precision Boost Overdrive? Do you use "Game Mode"? 

 

Could you post a screenshot from your "Ryzen Master" display please, similar to this one?

 ryzenmaster.thumb.png.f4ad9b6333ef0671262cdffa3a704d7a.png

 

 

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1 hour ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

@chiliwili69 I have seen 4 to 5 different versions and wrote it off. Please let me know which is the right one, I can't wade through all the threads right now. I'll benchmark it.

 

 Do you use Precision Boost Overdrive? Do you use "Game Mode"? 

 

Could you post a screenshot from your "Ryzen Master" display please, similar to this one?

 ryzenmaster.thumb.png.f4ad9b6333ef0671262cdffa3a704d7a.png

 

 

Everything is stock. I haven't touched anything yet in BIOS, except RAM seetings (3800 fast preset from DRAM calculator). So everything auto except that. Didn't have time to run ryzen master yet 🙂

 

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7 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

I have seen 4 to 5 different versions and wrote it off. Please let me know which is the right one, I can't wade through all the threads right now. I'll benchmark it.

 

Yes, We were configuring the benchmark in the past, but the last version(v6) is ready to be used since last week. You already have seen the thread but here it is in any case the thread for any one who want to run it. 

 

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6 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

I found out IL-2 runs faster without Precision Boost Overdrive than with it enabled. Performance in the Benchmark Thread.

 

I can confirm this is the case on my end as well. Only by ~5fps but yes, I saw a performance degradation** with PBO enabled too. 

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I tried it all, on Zen2 and it depends. for some apps it's faster with all core overclock, for others is faster stock and for some PBO gets the bests power. 

It's a crapshoot. 

   In Il-2 i got the fastest score in Game mode, by about five FPS, but that mode disables half the CPU. I won't be bothered to try that again. I got the best gaming score with "per CCX overclocking" but for heavy multithreaded apps i got the best results with " Pert CCX overclocking and undervolting" with the help of Clock Tuner for Ryzen 1.1.

 

I'm curios how the new Zen 3 overclocks. I have a 5950x on order with my local supplier. It won't be here for at least two weeks, but it's fine.

 He managed to score a 5900x and said that he'll sell it to me if i really want it, but outside gaming that's a downgrade from my 3950x, so I'll hold for the 16 core Zen 3.

    Just have to get a graphics card, but I want to see this graphics war settled before i commit to a card.

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14 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

I'm curios how the new Zen 3 overclocks. I have a 5950x on order with my local supplier. It won't be here for at least two weeks, but it's fine.

 He managed to score a 5900x and said that he'll sell it to me if i really want it, but outside gaming that's a downgrade from my 3950x, so I'll hold for the 16 core Zen 3.

    Just have to get a graphics card, but I want to see this graphics war settled before i commit to a card.

 

I'll join the amount of voices online on that, as I have also looked at how my 5900X overclocks. It can reach higher frequencies to boost with on SC - but performance does not increase. To the contrary! Let's not talk about AC overclock, that's useless for IL-2. So the result was that the real life performance decreases when overclocking. I could get shiney high numbers on a boost, but the fps decrease as a result. 

 

As Lisa said... they come fully optimised out of the box. 

 

Game Mode? Is for Zen2. For Zen 3, decreases performance.

PBO? Decreases performance slightly. 

Have a good Motherboard that has good VRMs and a good PSU so it can boost well? Increases performance, tightens the frametime corridor.

Push Infinity Fabric and get good Dual Rank RAM which you can tighten primary and secondary timings with? Increases performance greatly.

 

The age of overclocking is shifting. In 2020, everything is still possible. The native boost these CPUs have is so good and stable, it's already the best option. 

 

The 5600X that @LF_Gallahad has should already remove the VR CPU bottleneck in Ultra. My 5900X does, and IL-2 performs similar.

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Thanks @SCG_Fenris_Wolf

I think we can assume that:

5800 and more specially 5900 and 5950  are really adjusted. Need good hardware parts with good cooling and it will just work! Using more freq. will probably mean less performance.
5600 are more reserved, so in this one you really benefit if you adjust the maximum freq. with 100+ or 200+ more to reach his big brothers. (I understand these ones must work on less powerful MOBOs)

 

Having said that, there is a little difference in performance in games, being the more expensive ones, the ones with a little % more. Just a tiny.  This means that even the 5600 with good cooling and a little bit of more pressure will behave almost like one of those.

 

Goodbye CPU bottleneck with VR. Hello VR with accesible Hardware! (Now we just need Gpus..)

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5 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

 

I'll join the amount of voices online on that, as I have also looked at how my 5900X overclocks. It can reach higher frequencies to boost with on SC - but performance does not increase. To the contrary! Let's not talk about AC overclock, that's useless for IL-2. So the result was that the real life performance decreases when overclocking. I could get shiney high numbers on a boost, but the fps decrease as a result. 

 

As Lisa said... they come fully optimised out of the box. 

 

Game Mode? Is for Zen2. For Zen 3, decreases performance.

PBO? Decreases performance slightly. 

Have a good Motherboard that has good VRMs and a good PSU so it can boost well? Increases performance, tightens the frametime corridor.

Push Infinity Fabric and get good Dual Rank RAM which you can tighten primary and secondary timings with? Increases performance greatly.

 

The age of overclocking is shifting. In 2020, everything is still possible. The native boost these CPUs have is so good and stable, it's already the best option. 

 

The 5600X that @LF_Gallahad has should already remove the VR CPU bottleneck in Ultra. My 5900X does, and IL-2 performs similar.

 

 

Maybe PBO doesn't work on Zen 3 because it was made and optimized for Zen 2. AMD just announced yesterday that Precision Boost Overdrive 2, for Zen 3, is going to be released soon.

 

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16267/amd-precision-boost-overdrive-2-adaptive-undervolting-for-ryzen-5000-coming-soon

 

Ryzen Master is not yet optimized for Zen 3.The Zen 3 version should come in December or January.

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