IL2 Rear Warning Radar AKA sound of external planes is far too loud.

[Barnacles 788]

There are certain planes which you can hear coming a mile off. Tempest is the worst offender, along with anything with a turbosupercharger and the 262. The p51 is also really loud.

Please could the Dev's change it so you can't hear planes close out side of your own? By all accounts this was not possible in real life, and as it seems that the axis fighters with the exception of the 262 are inaudible it's a balance issue in MP too.

Basically, is this video the only way you can sneak up on most axis fighters?

 

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by 71st_AH_Barnacles

[RedKestrel 3663]

It appears to only be certain planes. You can’t really hear 109s but you can hear p38s and tempests for sure.

[Ram399 220]

I've found that 109s are only audible when you fly in close formation with them but even then we shouldn't really be able to hear them at all between our own engine and headgear.

The worst offender I've noticed for external noise is the P-39 with its distinctive nose gearbox whine.
They're especially easy to hear in VR when you turn your head to either side and one ear can suddenly hear something half a kilometer behind you, its saved me from getting a 30mm up the rear more than once now- if only just barely.

Case in point:

Spoiler

 

[VBF-12_Snake9 328]

Thank you.  Our squad was going to do a video on this.  We discovered this flying german this month.  It is a huge advantage to the germans.  How come know one has said anything about this?  You start to hear the 109 and 190 about 300 meters from your 6, but the tempest, spit, and 38 you can hear at 1000 meters behind you.  (51 is about 600 meters) Flying German we began to break when we heard the plane not see the plane.  It's totally absurd to hear someone 1000 meters behind you on your 6.  

[RedKestrel 3663]

4 minutes ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

Thank you.  Our squad was going to do a video on this.  We discovered this flying german this month.  It is a huge advantage to the germans.  How come know one has said anything about this?  You start to hear the 109 and 190 about 300 meters from your 6, but the tempest, spit, and 38 you can hear at 1000 meters behind you.  (51 is about 600 meters) Flying German we began to break when we heard the plane not see the plane.  It's totally absurd to hear someone 1000 meters behind you on your 6.  

There have been a few threads on it in The past few months. If you don’t often fly German it’s not as noticeable until you realize you’re hearing 38s and Tempests from long distances and not guys in close formation. Doesn’t seem to effect any of the German planes or the Soviet ones as far as I can tell.

[Barnacles 788]

I've dodged a 262 attack because I've heard it. @VBF-12_Snake9 you should do a video because mine doesn't really show anything apart from the one time someone hasn't been alerted to my approach, and I had to turn my engine off!

[-332FG-Magic_Zach 18]

1 hour ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

Thank you.  Our squad was going to do a video on this.  We discovered this flying german this month.  It is a huge advantage to the germans.  How come know one has said anything about this?  You start to hear the 109 and 190 about 300 meters from your 6, but the tempest, spit, and 38 you can hear at 1000 meters behind you.  (51 is about 600 meters) Flying German we began to break when we heard the plane not see the plane.  It's totally absurd to hear someone 1000 meters behind you on your 6.  

I brought it up in CB about 2 weeks ago, and a couple people were saying they havent noticed, I imagine because they have low-grade headphones (or not even headphones, but external speakers).  This has been an issue for many many months now, and I've been alerted to nearby allied aircraft because of it, saving me quite a lot when flying axis.

 

To add to this thread overall, this is an issue that really only seems to plague the allied aircraft, and at least every single allied BoBp aircraft.

[Feathered_IV 7112]

I notice it in FC as well.  The Se5a in particular can be heard from a very long way off.  

[QB.Creep 606]

This is a big problem for multiplayer. Hoping the devs see this and that it is a relatively easy fix.

[QB.Beno 29]

Yep this is a definite issue, suprised it hasnt been fixed yet. The developers have acknowledged the issue in my previous post on this, we just need more people in the community to put some pressure on. I never fly the mustang, tempest or p38 now for this exact reason which is a real shame. Its one thing for .50cals to be week but to not be able to use them on an unsupecting enemy makes the so much weeker. When i fly german i feel like I'm cheating which is also a real shame. I find the best compromise has been to fly the spitfire... but the opposition can still only slightly lesser hear me coming. They always tilt wings to check 6 just as im at about 800m range, just before i can fire, very frustrating. 

5 hours ago, messsucher said:

 

Haha, this so very much sounds like soy boy whine 😄 Not saying there can't be an issue, but that pattern "every allied plane bad, german OP 😄

Hi Messsucher, please test for yourself mate before bagging it, the devs have acknowledged the issue exists. We are trying to get something fixed here mate for the betterment of the game, we need everyone to help raise awareness so we can put some pressure on to get the fix. 

Edited September 28, 2020 by QB.Beno

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe 133]

Funny that the P-38 is so loud in the game when it was known as a pretty quiet plane actually because of the turbochargers. 

 

Definately an issue that needs to be corrected asap. The question is, will it actually be corrected? 

[QB.Beno 29]

Issue became significant at Update 4.005

 

I believe issue has always been in the game (i have always heard the tempest) but i think it became amplified and extended to all allied aircraft as a result of the following 4.005 changes. Most likely change 107.

 

104. Another error that could cause the hits on the own aircraft to be not audible in multiplayer has been found and fixed;

105. When in the cockpit, the player will now hear different sounds when different parts (materials) of the aircraft are hit different types of ammunition (before that, sounds differed only by the type of ammunition and only in open cockpits or in an external view);

106. The ram air sounds in the cockpits of all aircraft have been re-adjusted, the sound changes depending on the state of the canopy (open or closed) as well as the position of the pilot's head relatively to the windscreen;

107. The positioning of the engine sounds in the cockpits has been improved as well;

Edited September 28, 2020 by QB.Beno
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[messsucher 232]

32 minutes ago, QB.Beno said:

Yep this is a definite issue, suprised it hasnt been fixed yet. The developers have acknowledged the issue in my previous post on this, we just need more people in the community to put some pressure on. I never fly the mustang, tempest or p38 now for this exact reason which is a real shame. Its one thing for .50cals to be week but to not be able to use them on an unsupecting enemy makes the so much weeker. When i fly german i feel like I'm cheating which is also a real shame. I find the best compromise has been to fly the spitfire... but the opposition can still only slightly lesser hear me coming. They always tilt wings to check 6 just as im at about 800m range, just before i can fire, very frustrating. 

Hi Messsucher, please test for yourself mate before bagging it, the devs have acknowledged the issue exists. We are trying to get something fixed here mate for the betterment of the game, we need everyone to help raise awareness so we can put some pressure on to get the fix. 

 

Yeah, you are right and you people are doing good job.

[QB.Beno 29]

I have a video which shows it, i hear the 6, if i did not hear it, i would not have even looked back, i look back in this video ONLY because i heard it. Turn your speakers up, preferb headphones or desktop speakers and you will hear the mustang BEFORE I check my 6. Please excuse my shooting! 

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by QB.Beno

[BCI-Nazgul 176]

Yep, this a problem.   You can't hear anything in a single engine plane but your own engine and it's LOUD.  That's one reason everyone wears a headset, so they can talk to each other without yelling.  You'd never be able to hear another plane "sneaking up" on you.

[VBF-12_Snake9 328]

Ok just a quick video recorded on CB training sever, but it gets the point across.  This is just stupid.  lol

 

In order tested :

Tempest can be heard at 1800 meters.  😵

Spit 500 meters

p38 1000 meters

p51 1400 meters

109 k4 200 meters

190 D9 400 meters

 

 

[ACG_Smokejumper 275]

The tone in the P47 actually hurts my ears. I put in ear plugs when I fly it. The pitch of the supercharger is ouchies.

 

I'm going deaf though so... Just whining.

[QB.Beno 29]

Nice video Snake, can't provide any better evidence than that. With your exhaust right infront of you facing straight back into the cockpit, that is all you will hear, engine.

[QB.Creep 606]

This is a pretty big issue since it’s like having a rear gunner giving you a call out for every axis fighter...

[messsucher 232]

24 minutes ago, QB.Creep said:

This is a pretty big issue since it’s like having a rear gunner giving you a call out for every axis fighter...

 

That is not really a biggie. Planes which have tail gunner are severely handicapped.

[QB.Beno 29]

1 hour ago, messsucher said:

 

That is not really a biggie. Planes which have tail gunner are severely handicapped.

In what way are planes with rear gunners handicapped? And handicapped in relation to what?

[messsucher 232]

23 minutes ago, QB.Beno said:

In what way are planes with rear gunners handicapped? And handicapped in relation to what?

 

If it is a medium bomber they can't effectively dogfight at all. If it is light bomber whatever they can dogfight a bit, but are no match to a pilot of equal skill, where skill level is experienced.

 

This game is solo focused online. If it was more realistic there would be at least one bomber wing, and each plane in it would look for each other, you would have no chance to surprise them. That's why it is not unrealistic if a bomber's gunner can spot you. You can only surprise a bomber because it is unrealistic solo online bomber. So if I was to chose which should get unrealistic advantage I would chose the bomber.

 

Anyway, the end of the line is that bombers have awful time online in this game. I would never ever try to make their life any harder than it is already.

Edited October 4, 2020 by messsucher

[-SF-Disarray 574]

Ok, but what about when it is a fighter that has the effective early warning of the gunner's call out? Would that be an issue? Because that is what we have except it is really only for one side of the fight. I'm beginning to think you might not understand what is being talked about here.

[messsucher 232]

5 hours ago, -SF-Disarray said:

Ok, but what about when it is a fighter that has the effective early warning of the gunner's call out? Would that be an issue? Because that is what we have except it is really only for one side of the fight. I'm beginning to think you might not understand what is being talked about here.

 

Do you mean the sound alarm in where they hear at worst from two kilometers range that someone is coming?

[=[TIA]=I-Fly-Central 41]

Can also hear air raid sirens in the air over an airfield under attack. Again; unrealistic, and for the same reasons as the aircraft engine sounds while in the air.

[QB.Creep 606]

13 hours ago, messsucher said:

 

That is not really a biggie. Planes which have tail gunner are severely handicapped.

Wat

12 hours ago, messsucher said:

 

If it is a medium bomber they can't effectively dogfight at all. If it is light bomber whatever they can dogfight a bit, but are no match to a pilot of equal skill, where skill level is experienced.

 

This game is solo focused online. If it was more realistic there would be at least one bomber wing, and each plane in it would look for each other, you would have no chance to surprise them. That's why it is not unrealistic if a bomber's gunner can spot you. You can only surprise a bomber because it is unrealistic solo online bomber. So if I was to chose which should get unrealistic advantage I would chose the bomber.

 

Anyway, the end of the line is that bombers have awful time online in this game. I would never ever try to make their life any harder than it is already.

 

[=EXPEND=Tripwire 633]

This really needs fixing, hearing enemy planes near you when in flight feels very wrong.

[VBF-12_Stick-95 1056]

Devs definitely need to address this issue.

[the_dudeWG 353]

+1 This is definitely something I notice in Flying Circus.

[RedKestrel 3663]

Really hope this gets fixed. If it applied to all aircraft it would be one thing, but certain aircraft have it and others don't. 109s and 190s are not all that audible unless within 50 metres. P-38s and Tempests are the worst offenders.

[SCG_Wulfe 622]

Ideally if you are at any higher level of throttle whatsoever,  you should not hear any other aircraft until they are like 50-200 meters. (depending on SPL produced by respective engines and whether canopy is open)... Honestly, even that is generous. 

 

It would absolutely be next to impossible to hear any other plane over the sound of your own engine. That said, I think it's fair to say that a pilot might perceive a difference in air pressure as an enemy plane crept up closer to him. This would be due to the increased local sound pressure/harmonic interference with the sound of his own plane and might give him a sense that something was close and cause him to look.  Allowing you to faintly hear another plane when it closes to that 50-200 meter range is probably the only reasonable way to achieve this effect in game. 

 

That said, the way some planes are making sound at absurd ranges really needs to be fixed.

Edited October 7, 2020 by SCG_Wulfe

[dogefighter 18]

Any news on a fix? It's practically impossible to sneak up on Axis planes.😒

Edited Wednesday at 05:36 PM by dogefighter

[RedKestrel 3663]

45 minutes ago, dogefighter said:

Any news on a fix? It's practically impossible to sneak up on Axis planes.😒

I thought this was fixed a couple patches ago? I was able to be pretty sneaky a few times. I don't notice the sound of airplanes nearly as much anymore unless they are very close. But I haven't played much on the most recent patch so I'm not sure, maybe the issue came back?

[VBF-12_Snake9 328]

This was fixed and for the most part still is.  We have noticed {last patch) that the sounds of some planes returned to a lower level that can be heard from inside the cockpit, but nothing as bad as my video.  Now it's not really loud enough (personally) to complain about, but for realism probably needs to be fixed once again.  

 

I don't know how the team keeps reintroducing the same bugs over and over again.  

[dogefighter 18]

3 hours ago, VBF-12_Snake9 said:

Now it's not really loud enough (personally) to complain about, but for realism probably needs to be fixed once again. 

Well, I think it's a valid complaint if I can't get within convergence range (100-300m) without being heard. I started suspecting that the bug might have returned as players seemed to randomly pull a break turn almost every time after I got within about 300m from low 6, even when there were no other players around who could have warned them. 

 

Just today a 109 pilot told me he had been completely lost and was trying to figure out where he was, when he suddenly heard a Spit behind him when I closed in to about 300m from low 6.

 

Here's an example: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/978596312?t=50m50s

 

 

Spit can be heard closing in from 50:55 onwards. It's loud af 🤣

Edited Wednesday at 11:13 PM by dogefighter

[JG300_Winterz 105]

Yep Spits are super-loud now for some reason. (Mk V and IX)

 

Hope the devs will look into it.

Edited Wednesday at 10:16 PM by JG300_Winterz

[Barnacles 788]

Yeah, just tested this and the sound levels seem to pose a similar problem to a few patches ago, IE you can hear external sounds a bit too well.

 

[dogefighter 18]

Did some testing and the Spit Mk V can be heard from about 400m away if it's approaching from low 6 at full throttle. And it can be heard from over 1 km away if its diving with 0% throttle and 100% rpm. Explains those random break turns I see all the time lol

[von_Tom 475]

 

It is much better than it was but aircraft can still be heard.  But. the last time I got bounced (low down near home base) the first I knew was a few tracers zipping by then my wing falling off as I started to flame.  That was from a Yak-9T behind an A3.  I didn't hear anything beforehand.

 

My best guess is that you probably can hear other aircraft but only when they are at higher power or are generally louder, and only very close.

 

von Tom

[BCI-Nazgul 176]

As far as I'm concerned as soon as your own engine(s) is running you shouldn't hear any other plane at any distance.  Anyone that has been close to one of these WW II prop planes running at any speed will vouch that they are absolutely deafening and they're not any quieter inside when you're almost hugging the engine.   The 262 might be an exception because it's a jet, but I have serious doubts about being able to hear other planes though a closed canopy in general with a running jet engine near you.  Even small private planes with relatively tiny engines are very loud inside and out.

Edited Thursday at 06:32 PM by BCI-Nazgul