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1 hour ago, BlackSix said:

- In briefings, this unit will be called No. 486 Squadron or No. 486 without -th.

Cool, when I saw them used in the DD I wondered if they might also show up in the briefings.
 

1 hour ago, BlackSix said:

- No, it had no influence, we started with the name of the aircraft when inventing a name for the campaign.

I see, thanks for the clarification.
 

 

1 hour ago, BlackSix said:

- I've a book Tempest Pilot by C.J. Sheddan from No. 486. Unfortunately, he returned to the squadron after being wounded too late and did not write about early fall events, but there was a lot of other valuable information.

I have the book 'The Wild Winds' by Paul Sortehaug which is a unit history of 486sqn. I could send you a copy of the pages covering a certain period if it's not too late and if you think it'd be of use?

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"There are no B-26 and Typhoon escort missions yet as well - these birds will be available a few months later in the Battle of Normandy Early Access program. We plan to add all the required, but not yet available, objects like B-26, C-47, Typhoon Mk.Ib, Spitfire Mk.XIV, Fw 190 A-6, Bf 109 G-6 Late as well as the British ground vehicles and artillery to the campaign at a later date."

 

Is the ME 410 still in the plan?

Its awful quiet on that front.

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skud

 

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15 minutes ago, ATAG_SKUD said:

 

Is the ME 410 still in the plan?

Its awful quiet on that front.

:salute:

skud

 

 

Second to last flyable aircraft according to Jason's "proposed" list below, might mean we may not hear any progress on the Me 410 until some time next year.

Q. Jason what order will the planes for BON be released?

 

A. This is the proposed order in the schedule, but I warn you that it will likely change, some may finish early and some may take longer then planned. Also, dates will shift so I'm not going to assign any dates to them. They will be released as soon as they are ready.

 

Yak-9/ 9T

P-47D-22

Hurricane Mk. IIb/c/d

C-47 (AI)

Fw-190 A-6

Spitfire Mk. XIV

Typhoon Mk.Ib

P-51B/C

Bf-190 G-6 (Late)

Ju-88 C-6a

B-26 (AI)

Mosquito FB Mk.VI

Me-410

Ar-234

V-1

 

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13 hours ago, Yardstick said:

A bit of feedback on the USAAF pilot model.  If he is meant to be wearing an A-2 flight jacket, then unfortunately that looks nothing like one.  Whilst the fit is good, A-2's don't have buttons and the colour should be russet brown or seal brown.  The A-2 should also have a wind flap over the zip and has epaulettes.  Please look to correct as the A-2 is the iconic flight jacket and synonymous with USAAF airmen. 

 

12 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

The pilot's wearing a B-10 jacket, which is era correct.

 

yes its B-10 jacket

 

PS: our "summer early" uses A2, so B-10 for "early winter" for variety :)

 

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Also if his trousers / pants are meant to be his service dress pinks, then they are also the wrong colour.    

 

these are enlisted wool pants, not pinks, much of the photos show pants are of the dark shade.

 

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Fantastic DD thank you!

Very excited about the new Tempest campaign, sounds great!

 

Also looking forward to checking out the new haze, spotting, and g-affects.

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3 hours ago, HBPencil said:

I have the book 'The Wild Winds' by Paul Sortehaug which is a unit history of 486sqn. I could send you a copy of the pages covering a certain period if it's not too late and if you think it'd be of use?

Thank you, but it's too late, we can't rewrite the briefings. The problem was not in the history of the unit (this data is more than enough), but in the fact that too few memoirs of British pilots were available to me. In the end, I was able to get only 5 books (CJ Sheddan, Johnnie Johnson, Douglas Bader, Bob Spurdle and Guy Penrose Gibson from No. 617 Sqn). Three books were published in Russian, the rest I read in English.

This is not quite enough to freely describe the mentality and life of pilots in briefings. For example, I read more than 30 German memoirs and about 100 Soviet ones...

 

3 hours ago, ATAG_SKUD said:

"There are no B-26 and Typhoon escort missions yet as well - these birds will be available a few months later in the Battle of Normandy Early Access program. We plan to add all the required, but not yet available, objects like B-26, C-47, Typhoon Mk.Ib, Spitfire Mk.XIV, Fw 190 A-6, Bf 109 G-6 Late as well as the British ground vehicles and artillery to the campaign at a later date."

 

Is the ME 410 still in the plan?

Its awful quiet on that front.

I have listed the planes I want to add to this campaign in the future. Me 410 units did not take part in battles there.

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All good news. Yes, it is. especially the news about the Tempest drop tanks. One more promise from the developers do intend to keep. Thanks.:salute:

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5 hours ago, BlackSix said:

- In briefings, this unit will be called No. 486 Squadron or No. 486 without -th.

- No, it had no influence, we started with the name of the aircraft when inventing a name for the campaign.

No. 486 Squadron was chosen for two reasons:

- This squadron of 5 Tempest units took the most active part in the battle on January 1. The rest of the squadrons arrived too late (No. 56), participated with small forces (No. 3), or did not fly at all in the morning (No. 80 and 274)

- I've a book Tempest Pilot by C.J. Sheddan from No. 486. Unfortunately, he returned to the squadron after being wounded too late and did not write about early fall events, but there was a lot of other valuable information.

 

Sheddan’s book is fantastic, like Clostermann but less grim. Hope the campaign makes good use of barges, trains and convoys stuffed with flak. Seems to have been a huge part of daily operations. IIRC, 486 lost several COs to flak in a very short period.

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10 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Sheddan’s book is fantastic, like Clostermann but less grim. Hope the campaign makes good use of barges, trains and convoys stuffed with flak. Seems to have been a huge part of daily operations. IIRC, 486 lost several COs to flak in a very short period.

Yes, the losses from the German air defense were very large. By the way, I recreated the mission on December 22, when the section was commanded by S. Williams and he was shot down near Vreden. You will have to lead the section on this flight and stay alive.

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35 minutes ago, BlackSix said:

Yes, the losses from the German air defense were very large. By the way, I recreated the mission on December 22, when the section was commanded by S. Williams and he was shot down near Vreden. You will have to lead the section on this flight and stay alive.

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Is this to order?

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3 hours ago, =FB=VikS said:

PS: our "summer early" uses A2, so B-10 for "early winter" for variety

 

Nice one!

 

B-10s were worn in the summertime, too, though.

Some pilots chose to wear tanker-jackets.

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Hello to the whole development team.

 

Do you have projects or work leads to include Nvidia DLSS 2.1 (or next DLSS 3.0) in your graphics engine?
I think for those who use VR this would be much more relevant than the MSAAx8 (Very resource intensive).

 

Thank you in advance for your reply.

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23 hours ago, Jason_Williams said:

 

Read and don't just look at the pretty pictures.

 

Jason

 

Damn, I wanted to return playing next week :(

1 hour ago, bigounet said:

Hello to the whole development team.

 

Do you have projects or work leads to include Nvidia DLSS 2.1 (or next DLSS 3.0) in your graphics engine?
I think for those who use VR this would be much more relevant than the MSAAx8 (Very resource intensive).

 

Thank you in advance for your reply.

 

For DLSS you need DX12, unless they support TXAA for the upcoming DLSS 3.0

 

MSAAx8 will be pointless, only worth it on 1080p, above that it will only impact on your performance without noticing the difference, the higher the resolution the lower antialisaing setting should be used.

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8 hours ago, =FB=VikS said:

these are enlisted wool pants, not pinks, much of the photos show pants are of the dark shade.

 

I admit that I had to go away and research this one because I have not some across a USAAF combat pilot with an enlisted man's rank before.  However, there seems to be a good reason for this as there don't appear to have been any enlisted men serving as combat pilots in the USSAF after the second half of 1942.  This followed the passing of the 'Flight Officer Act' in early July 1942.  From Wikipedia: 

 

When Public Law 658 (Flight Officer Act) was passed on 8 July 1942 most enlisted pilots were promoted to the new rank of flight officer and newly-graduating enlisted pilots were graded as flight officers or second lieutenants depending on merit. This ended the creation of enlisted pilots in the U.S. Army.

 

There is a good article here if any one is interested in more detail:  https://www.airforcemag.com/article/0390third/#:~:text=The fact that hundreds of,aviation historians for many years.&text=Though USAAF was creating no,of them in the field.

 

So if the pilot (either summer or winter versions) is wearing enlisted pants then that is incorrect.  Pinks or coveralls (Type B-4 or later 'AN' type) would be more appropriate.   

 

That B-10 is very brown, the reason I mistook it for a leather jacket.  The later war USAAF pilot's B-10 is the correct colour so not sure if the lighting used for the render is off.  

 

BTW:  nice to see the pilot wearing 1943 RAF pattern escape boots and an RAF C-type helmet, as RAF kit was used extensively by US flight crew based in England.

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Hello!  When should we roughly expect any news about guided self-propelled anti-aircraft guns?  I apologize for the mistakes, I am writing from Russian into English through a translator.

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15 hours ago, Yardstick said:

So if the pilot (either summer or winter versions) is wearing enlisted pants then that is incorrect.  Pinks or coveralls (Type B-4 or later 'AN' type) would be more appropriate.   

 

as i wrote before - its better to check photos, where pinks - are of very light shade, and it seems that in combat - most of pilots preferred just an OD wool pants (maybe it was warmer, maybe more usefull - as light pants can get dirty versy fast? dunno), heres a couple of examples where pinks and OD pants visible to compare their shade:

 

soldiers in OD at left, officer in pinks at right:

 

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top - pinnks, bottom - OD:

 

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here how pinks looks in colour (a very light shade) compared to OD top:

 

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and the colour example of OD pants:

 

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PS: also a good example of reconstruction can be seen here: https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/54108-fighter-pilot-belgium-dec-1944/

 

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That B-10 is very brown, the reason I mistook it for a leather jacket.  The later war USAAF pilot's B-10 is the correct colour so not sure if the lighting used for the render is off.  

 

as about B-10 colour - not 100% sure here, but on example of replica B-10`s - it seems that in can be of varyous shades from OD green to khaky-brown, here is an example:

 

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8 hours ago, AH_Col_Hogan said:

That last crew pic is so high quality, they almost look like Reenactors.

 

they are, thats in context of "B-10 replica colour"

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1 hour ago, beresford said:

But will there be a flyable V1? 😀

Yes, but flyable only once

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2 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Yes, but flyable only once

I very much look forward to playing a V1 campaign in Iron Man mode. :dance:

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2 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

Yes, but flyable only once

 

...and not as much fun as a Kamikaze career. I mean any dolt can hit London.

Hit a carrier 3 missions in a row - now I’m impressed!

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4 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

...and not as much fun as a Kamikaze career...

Hit a carrier 3 missions in a row - now I’m impressed!

*Tries frantically, but kia'd everytime*

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On 9/13/2020 at 4:23 PM, =FB=VikS said:

 

as i wrote before - its better to check photos, where pinks - are of very light shade, and it seems that in combat - most of pilots preferred just an OD wool pants (maybe it was warmer, maybe more usefull - as light pants can get dirty versy fast? dunno), heres a couple of examples where pinks and OD pants visible to compare their shade:

 

soldiers in OD at left, officer in pinks at right:

 

OD_vs_Pinks_01.jpg.271e65be2c1231bfd51f606980454e8c.jpg

 

top - pinnks, bottom - OD:

 

OD_vs_Pinks_02.thumb.jpg.f88a4021ef82453c0384f14eba9540ed.jpg

 

here how pinks looks in colour (a very light shade) compared to OD top:

 

898_9872.JPG-for-web-large.jpg.ec938c2293278b5e9f094f6f252071db.jpg

 

and the colour example of OD pants:

 

gettyimages-103404238-2048x2048.thumb.jpg.08635a8f86c72ef6767d95090ae47a31.jpg

 

Your game interpretation is fine. "Pinks" were part of Service Dress, but this name is a little misleading: they would not usually be worn in action. They were the smart uniform worn at HQ or for impressing civilians when on leave, especially the ladies, so one would not want to get them soiled with oil or whatever, especially if they had been expensively tailored.  All US Army personnel, not just the USAAF, both officers and enlisted men, had a Service Dress, although "pinks" were only for officers. They also had a variety of issued combat uniforms. 

 

So for officers to be wearing "pinks" in action would be highly improbable, though not impossible.

 

As an aside - it is an interesting phenomenon of military fashion  that yesterday's fighting uniform gradually transforms into today's barracks uniform and then into ceremonial dress.  

 

  

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1 hour ago, sniperton said:

I very much look forward to playing a V1 campaign in Iron Man mode. :dance:

Being an Iron Man may help with taking out hardened targets.

 

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

...and not as much fun as a Kamikaze career. I mean any dolt can hit London.

Hit a carrier 3 missions in a row - now I’m impressed!

The true limiting factor on a Pacific campaign would be the simulated reincarnation mechanics, for sure.

 

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10 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

It's already in game.  It's a part of the "refly" sutra.

 

Aye

Warrant Officer Yamaha Kawasaki (me, flying Japanese) had to be reincarnated a handful of times in the old sim. Not much...but now and then...

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@=FB=VikS, when it comes to bombers, will American crewmen all look the same? That is, will the pilot model be the same as the gunner model? 

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I want the Luftwaffles occasionally wear pyjamas and be totally stoned from Alcohol and Pervitin:

 

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2016/11/gorings-pill-stimulant-use-and-alcohol.html

 

This story is continued in Fw. Emil Bernd’s diaries; “As the most experienced Schwarmführer of 6. Staffel I flew with six machines to Burg near Magdeburg. After a smooth landing I reported to Oblt. Krupinski; ” 6. Staffel with six machines, combat ready, one pilot indisposed! ” Ofhr. Grill was holding tightly to his port wing, throwing up his dinner eaten that previous evening in our mess. Krupinski, who was still in his cockpit in his pyjamas and parachute –which was all he was wearing- ordered a fitter standing close by,.. "Run over to Hptm. Mertens (I./JG 3 Kommandeur) and fetch me a uniform.."

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On 9/12/2020 at 11:06 AM, =FB=VikS said:

 

 

yes its B-10 jacket

 

PS: our "summer early" uses A2, so B-10 for "early winter" for variety :)

 

_usaaf_pil.jpg

 

 

 

Hi, problem is, that the color of B10 is now incorect, cuffs too, flying gogles was better RAF mk. VIII, B7 wastn problem, but not in black, were exceptions but so little that I wouldn't put it here. Escape boots Raf are great in this period, B3 life preserver will be better, for more authentic usaaf pilot early in Great Britain (or 41patt Mae west Raf), Maybe is good question, use seat chute. will be better for P47D22 and P51B,C. B10 jacket was in this time but many pilots wear in summer (Normandy Period) A2, or flying suit only (that would be a great shape, A4, AN-6550, or AN-S-31A) forgive me for my comments, but while you're already doing so much work with it, those few details I think are worth it, thanks for your work.

 

 

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Another question: Because joystick control for tank turrets is coming, does it mean that we might get possibly to change axis to relative instead of absolute?

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20 hours ago, sevenless said:

I want the Luftwaffles occasionally wear pyjamas and be totally stoned from Alcohol and Pervitin:

 

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2016/11/gorings-pill-stimulant-use-and-alcohol.html

 

This story is continued in Fw. Emil Bernd’s diaries; “As the most experienced Schwarmführer of 6. Staffel I flew with six machines to Burg near Magdeburg. After a smooth landing I reported to Oblt. Krupinski; ” 6. Staffel with six machines, combat ready, one pilot indisposed! ” Ofhr. Grill was holding tightly to his port wing, throwing up his dinner eaten that previous evening in our mess. Krupinski, who was still in his cockpit in his pyjamas and parachute –which was all he was wearing- ordered a fitter standing close by,.. "Run over to Hptm. Mertens (I./JG 3 Kommandeur) and fetch me a uniform.."

They should get atleast +1G limit also when on it 😄

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On 9/15/2020 at 5:25 PM, unreasonable said:

 

Your game interpretation is fine. "Pinks" were part of Service Dress, but this name is a little misleading: they would not usually be worn in action. They were the smart uniform worn at HQ or for impressing civilians when on leave, especially the ladies, so one would not want to get them soiled with oil or whatever, especially if they had been expensively tailored.  All US Army personnel, not just the USAAF, both officers and enlisted men, had a Service Dress, although "pinks" were only for officers. They also had a variety of issued combat uniforms. 

 

So for officers to be wearing "pinks" in action would be highly improbable, though not impossible.

 

As an aside - it is an interesting phenomenon of military fashion  that yesterday's fighting uniform gradually transforms into today's barracks uniform and then into ceremonial dress.  

 

  

 

Usaaf pilots were only officers. Us pilots here in il2 has whool trousers. But often pilots flew just in Pinks, or OD Dark Officer gabardine pants. bad is only color of B10 flying jacket, the previous pilot with the B10 was the colour of the jacket correctly but the last one is more reminiscent of the M-422 flying jacket type and that was for the USN. Also, early pilots sometimes wore a B-3, or a B-6 sheepskin flying jacket but very little more rarely.

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2 hours ago, ZeroCrack01 said:

Another question: Because joystick control for tank turrets is coming, does it mean that we might get possibly to change axis to relative instead of absolute?

 

That's already possible if your joystick's programming software allows for it (e.g., VKB).

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Hello blacksix, the campaign looks great, but maybe as you mentioned, I'll wait for it to be complete, with the planes and fuel tanks to fly it, great job

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