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11 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

I doubt it.

 

The Jug was a very good airframe for many missions, but it couldn't fly deep-escorts to Prague or Munich. By the time that range was available to the Jug (P-47N), the war in Europe was over. One could - of course - argue that had the war dragged on (because the escorts lacked range), the N could have made it to Europe eventually.

 

 

Well, there's really nothing to doubt.

 

Had the P-47 not performed adequately throughout 1943 as an escort--again, not its ideal role, but one in which it was plainly 'good enough'--the Luftwaffe would not have been so badly depleted by the time the P-51 came along. It won the battle of attrition, so that the P-51 could very easily deliver the killing blow.

 

Again, 18 of 30 aces in the ETO used it. The entire 56th FG chose to keep it rather than convert to P-51s. And it was the highest scoring fighter group of the 8th Air Force.

 

I have a really hard time believing the fully-improved late D production blocks were as defenseless as it seems in the game, even at low altitudes. If we were discussing the early versions, that'd be a different story (but even in that case, the early P-47s were never sitting ducks to the same extent as, say, the Bf-110). But everything I've read, from various sources, says the paddle-blade prop made a very significant performance gain. It's somewhat reminiscent of how the earliest Spitfire needed a prop change as well.

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8 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

I don't know if the RAF ever used higher boost settings but the 8th AF started using 64" in Feb/March 44 and then upped it to 70" in June/July of 44.

 

I see. So the introduction was roughly after Operation Argument "Big Week" (20 to 25 February 1944) ? (not that it had anything to do with it, I just find that date interesting)

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1) The Luftwaffe wasn't "badly depleted" when the P-51 came along. That only was beginning to be achieved during spring of 1944. And it also cost the 8th AF dearly.

2) There was no "early battle of attrition". The Jugs mainly fought it out with JG 26, JG 2 and JG 1 during '43. At that time they usually turned around not long after going into the Reich.

3) 18 out of 30 - what is that supposed to mean? The 357th FG alone had 42 aces. All on Mustangs.

4) It doesn't matter which group got the most scores - especially, when the 4th FG was pretty close and so was the 354th. The 354th and 357th FG had the most aces.

5) You're putting a P-47D at low altitude against the MW-50 monsters of the Luftwaffe with reasonably good sticks at a 1:1 combat-ratio. The Jug is bound to lose.

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1 minute ago, Bremspropeller said:

1) The Luftwaffe wasn't "badly depleted" when the P-51 came along. That only was beginning to be achieved during spring of 1944. And it also cost the 8th AF dearly.

2) There was no "early battle of attrition". The Jugs mainly fought it out with JG 26, JG 2 and JG 1 during '43. At that time they usually turned around not long after going into the Reich.

3) 18 out of 30 - what is that supposed to mean? The 357th FG alone had 42 aces. All on Mustangs.

4) It doesn't matter which group got the most scores - especially, when the 4th FG was pretty close and so was the 354th. The 354th and 357th FG had the most aces.

5) You're putting a P-47D at low altitude against the MW-50 monsters of the Luftwaffe with reasonably good sticks at a 1:1 combat-ratio. The Jug is bound to lose.

 

1) and 2) Badly depleted of competent pilots. It might have been able to put up numbers in early '44, but not quality. It was steadily stripped of experienced pilots all throughout 1943. The last time the Luftwaffe actually had decisive control of the air was 1942.

 

3) 18 of 30 of the highest scoring aces of the ETO flew P-47s. That dozens of Mustang pilots got over 5 kills in '44 is of no surprise to me, since they were mostly shooting down 18 year olds with less than 200 hours of flight training and zero combat experience. It was hardly different than the German advantage over the Russians in '41. 

 

Like I said, the Mustang was overkill by '44. The Luftwaffe was qualitatively a spent force.

 

5) Fair point. It's also worth noting that the quality of the average Luftwaffe pilot was so low by the time they got fighters that could outperform the P-47, they had no confidence or experience to exploit any of the P-47's weaknesses.

 

That said, the P-47 did still manage to kill a lot of expert German pilots. It had to have something good about it, beyond the obvious of diving speed and roll rate. While it would never out climb or accelerate faster than a 109 under 15,000 feet, the paddle prop made the 109's advantage smaller; enough to be overcome by solid tactics and coordination.

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42 minutes ago, oc2209 said:

 

Like I said, the Mustang was overkill by '44. 

 

 

Not sure I agree with that, especially since there were a number of good pilots around still in 44.

Also the object is to have a better aircraft than your adversary, not a "good enough" aircraft. I've talked to more than one Mustang pilot who found himself evenly matched by German aircraft

at that point in the war. Don Bryan like to talk about his "special" 109, but really it was simply a 109 that was flown by a really good pilot.

 

Further, the Eastern Front get's most of the credit for decimating the Luftwaffe - and for decimating the German armed forced period.

Western Front was side-show in comparison to the scale of fighting and dying on the Eastern Front.

 

 

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The Luftwaffe Reich's Defense forces were continuing to kill an increasing number of bombers and increase their sortie rate in April of 1944.  In May, both 8th AF and LW sortie rates increased yet again, but 8th bomber losses to fighters (and overall) dropped while LW interceptor losses continued to climb.  April of 1944 ended up being the best month for bomber kills the Luftwaffe would have.  This was really the turning point in the campaign, where the 8th AF fighters had gained the upper hand.  April-May was also the time frame where P-51s supplanted P-47s as the most common escort fighter.  This coupled with decreasing bomber losses and a switch to petroleum and transportation targets was the doom of the Luftwaffe and the entire German war machine.

 

The idea that 8th AF P-47s defeated the Luftwaffe fighter arm by themselves in 1943 simply isn't supported by the historical record.  8th AF Thunderbolts started operations in April of 1943, and by mid October when the first P-38s came on the scene they had claimed all of 208 victories. By the beginning of December when the 354th FG went active with their P-51Bs, the P-47s tally was up to 296, and then 377 by the end of the year.  To put some perspective on that, between March and May of 1944, US escorts in the ETO were claiming around 450 kills per month, and the lions share of these was going to the new Mustangs.  In this critical March-May phase kills claims in the ETO were roughly as follows: P-51 - 970, P-47 - 357, P-38 - 73, Spitfires - 47, Typhoons - 16.  Here's a nice breakdown by Bill Marshall that gives some K/L comparisons for the different 8th AF types.

 

The P-47 was a very effective fighter in the ETO.  When compared to the types of enemy fighters present up through the fall of 1944, it had a significant speed advantage at high altitude, as well as good roll and dive performance which were important for chasing down fleeing interceptors trying to escape after making an attack on the bombers.  By comparison the P-38 had less of a speed advantage up high, poor roll rate and poor dive performance (due to its very low mach limit and nasty high speed characteristics).  The J-25 (and the very similar L model) with aileron boost and dive brakes that we have in game didn't appear until fall of 1944, by which time all the P-38 groups in the 8th  had already converted to P-51s.  The P-51 had all the same performance advantages as the P-47, but maintained those advantages at lower altitudes as well, and was a better dogfighter.  And it had the range to reach any targets in the Reich, as opposed to barely crossing the German border.

 

The P-47 struggles in game because it's usually matched up against unicorn (perfect build, all engine/airframe mods present, MW50 etc) renditions of the K-4 and D-9.  Most of the opponents encountered IRL likely never exceeded the performance of the G-14 and A-8 we have in game.  The K-4 and D-9 weren't even the most common types of 109 or 190 on the Western front until the end of January 1945, after most of the remaining fighter force had been transferred to the East following the disastrous losses over the Ardennes and from Bodenplatte.  At this point, the Luftwaffe only had a paper force of about 400 fighters in the west opposing the ~3000 fighters of the USAAF and RAF.

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3 hours ago, oc2209 said:

That said, the P-47 did still manage to kill a lot of expert German pilots. It had to have something good about it, beyond the obvious of diving speed and roll rate. 

 

You can't attribute the fact that many P47 pilots attained prestigious kills against expert German pilots to the performance of the P47 alone. The fact that the Luftwaffe began to be massively outnumbered by sometimes a factor of 10 or 12 had a LOT to do with it. That's why US pilots started getting retarded credits like 1/4 of a kill. That means 4 different US pilots all were taking turns hosing a single German plane.

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11 minutes ago, KW_1979 said:

The J-25 (and the very similar L model) with aileron boost and dive brakes that we have in game didn't appear until fall of 1944

 

The J-25 entered service in mid-summer 1944. 

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3 hours ago, MiloMorai said:

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Thank you for posting that.

My memory was that % of AC lost in the East was in line with personnel/tanks etc. I stand corrected.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

The J-25 entered service in mid-summer 1944. 

 

I know they started rolling off the production line in June and July per Francis Dean, but as best as I've been able to find, none of the 8th AF units ever had a J-25 or L model.  I wasn't aware of any 9th AF getting them so early, but either way I'd assume they wouldn't have been common until fall or winter.

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On 5/27/2020 at 5:52 PM, Bremspropeller said:

1) The Luftwaffe wasn't "badly depleted" when the P-51 came along. That only was beginning to be achieved during spring of 1944. And it also cost the 8th AF dearly.

2) There was no "early battle of attrition". The Jugs mainly fought it out with JG 26, JG 2 and JG 1 during '43. At that time they usually turned around not long after going into the Reich.

3) 18 out of 30 - what is that supposed to mean? The 357th FG alone had 42 aces. All on Mustangs.

4) It doesn't matter which group got the most scores - especially, when the 4th FG was pretty close and so was the 354th. The 354th and 357th FG had the most aces.

5) You're putting a P-47D at low altitude against the MW-50 monsters of the Luftwaffe with reasonably good sticks at a 1:1 combat-ratio. The Jug is bound to lose.

@Bremspropeller You might what to read JG 26 Luftwaffe Fighter Wing War Diary 1943 - 1945. JG 26 did quite a few battles with the 357th. Actually, the Market Garden Mission on the September 19th 1944 I am researching was the mission the lost 5 P-51 including Major Edward Hiro CO of the 363rd FS to 5./JG 26. The 109s bounced them out of the dusk high cloud cover over Nijmegen. Funny thing was the 357th claimed 20-1-1 109s but in actuality only a single 109 didn't make it back to base that evening.

 

JG 26 did battle with the 8th USAAF off and on for the entire war looking and their claim/lost records . However, most of their battles were with the RAF and RCAF based in Belgium and Holland towards the end.

 

The issue here is simple - it's not the plane, it's the pilot, the numbers engaging, situation advantage/disadvantage and a whole lot of luck! To be honest I don't think RAF, RAAF and RNZAF pilots get the credit they deserve.

 

It's irks me when I see people walking around with these shirts...As if we did it alone.

 

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15 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Funny thing was the 357th claimed 20-1-1 109s but in actuality only a single 109 didn't make it back to base that evening.

 

 

Only a single 109 from JG26 - there were numerous other Luftwaffe units involved in those battles that day.  JG6, JG11, JG27, and JG76 for certain and possibly others as well that just didn't claim any victories.  Unfortunately there is no complete breakdown of German losses over that period that I'm aware of.  Caldwell does give some overall numbers for II. Jagdkorps and 3rd Jagddivision fighters for the Market-Garden period with losses of 83 and 109 respectively (in this book).

 

Reports from some 357th Fighter Group pilots support the idea that there was a huge furball that day involving many units:

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/combat-reports/357-sehl-19sept44.jpg

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/combat-reports/357-dunlop-19sept44.jpg

 

It appears that JG26 was able to make a nice bounce without getting tied up in the furball.

 

On a related note, there should be a mission coming soon on the Combat Box server built around these aerial battles over the Market-Garden battlefield featuring some AI C-47s.

 

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17 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

It's irks me when I see people walking around with these shirts...As if we did it alone.

 

Back To Back Undefeated World War Champs

 

I've never seen these shirts on anyone out in public and honestly not a fan of them either....  but for WWII, if the US hadn't entered the war, it would've dragged on much longer or would've been lost eventually, especially in the Pacific.  That is a fact.  The US definitely didn't do it alone but our support of the allies through lend lease and eventual entry after December 1941 was a deciding factor.  WWI is another topic all together.  Just mark up the shirt as typical American tongue in cheek fun 😉

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7 hours ago, VBF-12_KW said:

 

Only a single 109 from JG26 - there were numerous other Luftwaffe units involved in those battles that day.  JG6, JG11, JG27, and JG76 for certain and possibly others as well that just didn't claim any victories.  Unfortunately there is no complete breakdown of German losses over that period that I'm aware of.  Caldwell does give some overall numbers for II. Jagdkorps and 3rd Jagddivision fighters for the Market-Garden period with losses of 83 and 109 respectively (in this book).

 

Reports from some 357th Fighter Group pilots support the idea that there was a huge furball that day involving many units:

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/combat-reports/357-sehl-19sept44.jpg

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/combat-reports/357-dunlop-19sept44.jpg

 

It appears that JG26 was able to make a nice bounce without getting tied up in the furball.

 

On a related note, there should be a mission coming soon on the Combat Box server built around these aerial battles over the Market-Garden battlefield featuring some AI C-47s.

 

 

Yes - That is the same report I read. I was looking at it from only the III./JG 26 point of view that they didn't loose any aircraft.

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23 hours ago, VBF-12_KW said:

On a related note, there should be a mission coming soon on the Combat Box server built around these aerial battles over the Market-Garden battlefield featuring some AI C-47s.

 

The development team needs to add a "Cover Friendly Transport Flight" and "Attack Enemy Transport Flight" to the mission objectives.

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I would like to see the P47M added to the series. It was used in numbers at least as great and probably more so than the 262 and K-4 (uber engine) combined. Faster and lighter than the D series it would be nice to see some US "super" planes added to the lineup. That being said its hard to get the Jug into a fight where its in its element the way this game is played in MP, (mostly down low <20k). It also wouldnt be too much work I would think as much of the 3d modeling is pretty much done.

 

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I agree that the P-47M would be a good addition, even if its historical use is relatively minor, it's a plane that fought in the area and represents the best of US production fighters of the time. It's not just the engine power, mind. The P-47M also had dive brakes under the wings for managing the speed in extremely long dives. That would need modelling and animating

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3 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

I agree that the P-47M would be a good addition, even if its historical use is relatively minor, it's a plane that fought in the area and represents the best of US production fighters of the time. It's not just the engine power, mind. The P-47M also had dive brakes under the wings for managing the speed in extremely long dives. That would need modelling and animating

Only 130 built to chase down V-1s (which we don't have) and combat Me 262s (but it had a 200 mph less max speed than the Me 262, which makes it the classic case of not realzing the end on an era when it's staring at you right in the face). Not to mention it entered the war in '45 and never with the 9th USAAF. Nah - hard pass :negative:

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3 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

The P-47M also had dive brakes under the wings for managing the speed in extremely long dives. That would need modelling and animating

 

It's actually not dive-brakes, but very similar to the dive-recovery flaps we're already seeing in the P-38J-25 in game.

They're for all intents and purposes the same thing.

 

12 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Only 130 built to chase down V-1s (which we don't have) and combat Me 262s (but it had a 200 mph less max speed than the Me 262, which makes it the classic case of not realzing the end on an era when it's staring at you right in the face). Not to mention it entered the war in '45 and never with the 9th USAAF. Nah - hard pass 

 

No V-1s yet, but soon to be buzzing a town near you.

The situation in '45 didn't require airspeed-parity with the 262 anyway.

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1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:


Why?  It’s cheaper to make new models of planes that we already have.   

Its not axis airplane where they are desperate to fined airplanes to have balanced 5v5 , there is planty options on allied side.
When you can make 2-3 collector airplanes every 2 years why would you waist slot on P-47 model, especialy on M that dont have map for SP use where there is planty other easy options that fit SP, with M your just adding it for MP balance, and why would they do that if MP is only 5-10% of users.
So i doubt any more P-47s gona be made for this game. Razerback for early stuff and Bubble one for late is just min you need for ww2 in europe and thats what we have now.

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1 hour ago, CountZero said:

Its not axis airplane where they are desperate to fined airplanes to have balanced 5v5 , there is planty options on allied side.
When you can make 2-3 collector airplanes every 2 years why would you waist slot on P-47 model, especialy on M that dont have map for SP use where there is planty other easy options that fit SP, with M your just adding it for MP balance, and why would they do that if MP is only 5-10% of users.
So i doubt any more P-47s gona be made for this game. Razerback for early stuff and Bubble one for late is just min you need for ww2 in europe and thats what we have now.


I understand all the reasons that they might want to make other aircraft.  
 

But still.  

 

Cheaper.   Don’t underestimate cheaper.

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18 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

Only 130 built to chase down V-1s (which we don't have) and combat Me 262s (but it had a 200 mph less max speed than the Me 262, which makes it the classic case of not realzing the end on an era when it's staring at you right in the face). Not to mention it entered the war in '45 and never with the 9th USAAF. Nah - hard pass :negative:

 

That is a frequent remark regarding the -M that is being described in many places (specially online) but has no base. The P-47M was the product of the logical evolution of both the P-47 airframe and the P&W R2800 engine. The development was started long before the V-1 posed a threat and the introduction into combat happened long after the V-1 launching sites were overrun (at least the ones that were a threat to UK).

Regarding his role in the sim, I think it have its place. We have the K4 1.98 and many people ask for the Ta152. Both fought in tiny numbers compared with the well recorded numbers of the -M. Obviously, 130 isn´t any big either compared to other models.

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4 minutes ago, HR_Zunzun said:

 

That is a frequent remark regarding the -M that is being described in many places (specially online) but has no base. The P-47M was the product of the logical evolution of both the P-47 airframe and the P&W R2800 engine. The development was started long before the V-1 posed a threat and the introduction into combat happened long after the V-1 launching sites were overrun (at least the ones that were a threat to UK).

Regarding his role in the sim, I think it have its place. We have the K4 1.98 and many people ask for the Ta152. Both fought in tiny numbers compared with the well recorded numbers of the -M. Obviously, 130 isn´t any big either compared to other models.

I think there is a lot of business with collectors. Taking into account the lack of axis aircraft in a 5v5 planeset, it will be harder to make "full complete releases" as we are used too.

 

We have tons of options for allied aircraft, which saw more service than scarce German almost-prototypes. Even, there are a lot of versions that can be great to have and some easier to make than a different airframe in the already existing maps:

A-20G, P-47M, early Typhoon, early spitfires, Beaufigther, I-15, LaGG-3 late versions... etc.

I am all in for these collectors down the road 🙂

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On 2/28/2021 at 2:18 AM, BraveSirRobin said:


I understand all the reasons that they might want to make other aircraft.  
 

But still.  

 

Cheaper.   Don’t underestimate cheaper.

not as Spitfire IXc i think will be one of next collectable while DLC east front 45 is made, with one of B-25/B-26 that would already be AI with FM/DM done and outside 3D model, P-47 simply have more competitors that to me look easyer to make then it, and they fit cheep easy combo and were used on maps we have.

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Just saying, theres like 10 109's 20 FW190's and a lot of late war options that were never fielded in any practical sense for these models so why not a late war US plane that actually saw service in the ETO? Not to mention a lot of the modeling is done already. The 47M also has a considerable performance advantage over the existing 47's. I would also love the A-20G which also would be an easy addition.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, -332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138 said:

Just saying, theres like 10 109's 20 FW190's and a lot of late war options that were never fielded in any practical sense for these models so why not a late war US plane that actually saw service in the ETO? Not to mention a lot of the modeling is done already. The 47M also has a considerable performance advantage over the existing 47's. I would also love the A-20G which also would be an easy addition.

 

 

They operated from England so you cant make use of them in BoB map, and on top BoN map dont even have area they operated from.

Yes they would be big improment from P-47s we have but problem is you cant make SP misions for them the way they do for all other airplanes they make.

 

By default germans can have more high performing airplanes as they wer desperate that they put even what would be considerad prototypes if build by USA in air, war was over by 1944 so USA didnt need to force use of their late war airplanes as they were wining by big margines in air with old models, if they were having situation we have online where your facing more german airplane then allied then allieds would be using their P-47M, P-51H, P-72, P-80, P-63, B-29s Tempest MKII, Meteors, Spitfire 16, 21, 24s and so on all with 150oct 25lbs boosts and 30min engine timers as they were not far behined german tech but they didnt need to use their prototypes like germans had to.

 

If P-47M operated from single base on BoBp map you would have it in game. 

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6 hours ago, CountZero said:

They operated from England so you cant make use of them in BoB map, and on top BoN map dont even have area they operated from.

Yes they would be big improment from P-47s we have but problem is you cant make SP misions for them the way they do for all other airplanes they make.

 

By default germans can have more high performing airplanes as they wer desperate that they put even what would be considerad prototypes if build by USA in air, war was over by 1944 so USA didnt need to force use of their late war airplanes as they were wining by big margines in air with old models, if they were having situation we have online where your facing more german airplane then allied then allieds would be using their P-47M, P-51H, P-72, P-80, P-63, B-29s Tempest MKII, Meteors, Spitfire 16, 21, 24s and so on all with 150oct 25lbs boosts and 30min engine timers as they were not far behined german tech but they didnt need to use their prototypes like germans had to.

 

If P-47M operated from single base on BoBp map you would have it in game. 

 

This is a ridiculous position to have on the matter. They operated from England not over it. Someone made an entire Hellhawks over the Bulge campaign using the Russia maps before the BoB map was available so why couldn't there be sp scenarios for the 47M using whats available (BoN map)? and I'm seeing it as a collector plane so what difference does it make? I mean we have the HS129 (which i love) which was never really used at all anywhere.

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36 minutes ago, -332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138 said:

I mean we have the HS129 (which i love) which was never really used at all anywhere.

 

That's totally wrong. The Hs 129 was used extensively in many places, including the Kuban.

 

With few exceptions, the aircraft types and modifications featured in Il-2 GB saw service in significant numbers.

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7 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

That's totally wrong. The Hs 129 was used extensively in many places, including the Kuban.

 

And North Africa as well.

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20 hours ago, -332FG-SGTSAUSAGE138 said:

Just saying, theres like 10 109's 20 FW190's and a lot of late war options that were never fielded in any practical sense for these models so why not a late war US plane that actually saw service in the ETO?

 

Like what?

The only late war fighter that wasn't really fielded in large quantities was the C3 powered K-4.

The Dora was fielded to an equivalent of several USAAF Fighter Groups - even only counting JG2 and JG26 on New Year's Eve - which in itself exceeds the number of 8th AF P-47 Fighter Groups in 1945 altogether.

 

In fact, there is at least one major 109-variant (the G-10) missing from the late-war setup. So is a Fw 190A-9/F-9.

Both were flown in significant quantities.

 

There's no 47M because the war depicted in game is focussed on 9th AF.

I can see a later model P-51D model and a later P-47D model (say a -30 each) missing.

The P-47M would be a very fine collector's aircraft - but so would the other two.

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4 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

In fact, there is at least one major 109-variant (the G-10) missing from the late-war setup. So is a Fw 190A-9/F-9.

 

In addition to that, there are the G-6/AS or G-14/AS variants that were used in fairly significant numbers.

 

If we go down the rabbit hole of 109 variants, I'd also be interested in the pressurized fighters and GM-1 installations, among other things. There is no shortage of material remaining in the E, F, and G series.

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I bet full 10 plane DLC of just missing variants, sub-variants of Bf-109s would be hit in this game , just to bad we have 5v5 so we only have few 109s we have, its a cruel world. 

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That sounds like a good idea, would be cool to include some variants of P40 and A20. I for one have wondered why they did not just make a Tunisia map and add some early 109s, torpedo JU88 and some P40F and K especially now that we have the hurricane. They could have done north Africa module. Oh the wildcat variant the British were using as well! Maybe even some early Spit variants. All except the wildcat would probably be relatively little work to add.

 

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