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9 hours ago, 6FG_Big_Al said:

Well there would be the famous P-40C that could be really interesting. 

That is indeed the one I meant.

 

Have a nice day.

 

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48 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

... ship!

Ship? Ship! Why not ships, some big ships? Since data for some planes of the PTO are difficult to get, why not building a few carriers for the Atlantic and Mediterranean? Where the planes are already done (Hurricane, Spitfire) or well documented at least (Swordfish, Martlet, Avenger). One Royal Navy fleet carrier of the Illustrious-class and a dual-use escort carrier, Avenger- or Bogue-class. Finally :ph34r: the Graf Zeppelin as a collectors ship:popcorm:. This would be useful as proof of concepts for the PTO, too. Together with maps of coastal parts of Norway, Murmansk and Toulon it will keep the huge carrier-crowd busy until the PTO is ready.

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1 hour ago, Retnek said:

One Royal Navy fleet carrier of the Illustrious-class and a dual-use escort carrier, Avenger- or Bogue-class

I think where the devs want to start is the early war PTO with Midway, Guadalcanal, that kind of stuff.

While yes, the Illustrious class was used in the Pacific, the HMS Victorious, and later in 1945 the HMS Illustrious and the British Pacific Fleet, I think the devs want to focus their attention on American and Japanese carriers before they start doing British Carriers for the Pacific.

 

The Avenger class did not see any action in the Pacific, so wouldn't really be worth making.

 

Several of the Bogue class carriers saw action in the Pacific, but the devs would likely make the Casablanca class over the Bogue.

 

1 hour ago, Retnek said:

Finally :ph34r: the Graf Zeppelin as a collectors ship

Get real here. The Graf Zeppelin was never completed and never saw any action in WW2, nor did any of these proposed carrier versions of the Bf-109 and Ju-87.

 

1 hour ago, Retnek said:

Together with maps of coastal parts of Norway, Murmansk and Toulon it will keep the huge carrier-crowd busy until the PTO is ready.

The kind of Aircraft Carriers the devs are wanting to build are Fleet Carriers: USS Enterprise, USS Saratoga, USS Essex, USS Hornet, etc.; and then the Japanese ones as well.

If any of those carriers saw action elsewhere than the Pacific, then it makes sense to build them for another theatre, if they didn't, then it seems to make much more sense to build them when ready for the PTO.

So, if you build an Aircraft Carrier that didn't see action in the PTO, while yes Carrier tech is introduced into the game, but doesn't it also eat up a lot of the devs resources, and after building those, they still have to build the American and Japanese Fleet Carriers that they need for the Pacific?

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I see that some like "Battle of Finland" or the PTO are one of the most requested, but I would think that people would like to see a "Battle of Britain" (probably the most famous airbattle of all the war) or a "Battle of Kursk" that despite being famous for being a tank/infantery battle, it did saw a lot of plane action, several aces were made and died, and also seems like the historical next step for the Great Battles series in the Eastern Front, before the "year of the 12 victories".

 

Is there a reason for this?

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4 hours ago, BinakZaino said:

I see that some like "Battle of Finland" or the PTO are one of the most requested, but I would think that people would like to see a "Battle of Britain" (probably the most famous airbattle of all the war) or a "Battle of Kursk" that despite being famous for being a tank/infantery battle, it did saw a lot of plane action, several aces were made and died, and also seems like the historical next step for the Great Battles series in the Eastern Front, before the "year of the 12 victories".

 

Is there a reason for this?

They still promote and sell CloD that have detail depiction of battle of Britain and can handle wast amounts of airpplanes and AI bombers needed that this game could not do.

For Kursk you already have all neccesary airplanes in game so you would have hard time selling same airplanes 2nd time, just look how 109G6 G6 Late turned out. On top you already have south part of Kursk battle that you can do on Tank map.

Finland you have group of moders making map for it so if anything happends there i expect maybe map + SP campagn for it and maybe 1-2 collector airplanes that fit that area that are not from ones already in game that can be used on that map area.

 

In end airplanes we already have in game , map sizes, AI limitations with depicting big air battles, airplane data for PTO is what limits selection of DLC.

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The Finland boys have sworn to secrecy I believe by the developers. I am guessing they have their blessing. 

There are really only two 109s left; the G-10 and the 109T. They are early war 109s if they were to do the Battle of France. 

 

The 109 T-2 would be an interesting aircraft as well as the environment of Norway. 

 

Another interesting region to cover would be the Battle of Crete. (Another early war scenario, but I believe we already have the planset at least for the Germans). 

 

Yet another is time period between Normandy and the end of the Kuban campaign. 

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I'd like the battle of berlin (and makes sense with b-109g10 and late war soviet planes), but its been said by them before that western stuff makes more money.

 

so my bet is on a non-carrier pacific 

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On 11/28/2020 at 12:20 PM, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

The Finland boys have sworn to secrecy I believe by the developers. I am guessing they have their blessing. 

There are really only two 109s left; the G-10 and the 109T. They are early war 109s if they were to do the Battle of France. 

 

The 109 T-2 would be an interesting aircraft as well as the environment of Norway. 

 

Another interesting region to cover would be the Battle of Crete. (Another early war scenario, but I believe we already have the planset at least for the Germans). 

 

Yet another is time period between Normandy and the end of the Kuban campaign. 

As much as I love the Battle of Crete, the RAF at Crete was almost non-existent after Greece. So not much of an air battle really happened. The Battle of Greece with Crete as part of the map would be better I think.

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On 2/9/2021 at 9:43 AM, Lemsip said:

As much as I love the Battle of Crete, the RAF at Crete was almost non-existent after Greece. So not much of an air battle really happened. The Battle of Greece with Crete as part of the map would be better I think.


They’d probably have to charge about $10,000 per copy to make a profit, so that seems unlikely.  

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PatrickAWlson

Vesuvius is kind of like my gunfire in an FW 190.  Lots of noise.  Fire spewing everywhere.  Vesuvius found its mark though, so there's a .difference

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catchthefoxes

I don't think its the pacific (but you never know) my guess is a return to the eastern front, or maybe something post WW2, late Chinese civil war perhaps 👻 ?

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Cybermat47

I’m hoping for New Guinea, personally.

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catchthefoxes
22 minutes ago, Cybermat47 said:

I’m hoping for New Guinea, personally.

yea that's the dream!! 

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On 5/6/2020 at 3:40 PM, 56RAF_Roblex said:

I suspect it will be another part of Russia that nobody outside Russia has heard of and yet another version of the 109 & 190.  It won't be an earlier one though as history shows that customers do not like buying aircraft that are not as good as the ones they already have. 

 

With that in mind then a complete change of theatre is also a possibility. I would love to the Pacific but it looks like that is on hold. 

 

Finland would be nice but it runs into the problem of getting people to buy older aircraft though the Allied aircraft will be different..   

 

The Med would be nice as they could build some Italian aircraft, Beauforts, Swordfish, Gladiators and practice getting Carriers to work properly.  I would not even be upset if they wanted to pretend that the Germans launched their own carrier, Graf Zeppelin, with 109Ts and Stukas and got it past Gibraltar but I doubt they would have been so reckless.   

 

If they could get at least one big bomber built then a map based around long range high altitude daylight bombing raids would be nice as it would get the P47s and P51s doing what they were made for as well as the 262s and even 163s.   It would not give the Axis side much bomber play but that never stopped the Battle Of Britain sims from selling well with just Axis bombers.    

 

Finally we have Spain which is sufficiently different to avoid the problem with older aircraft as most of the aircraft are brand new types but it still had the 109s which many Axis pilots cannot live without.  Also completely new maps of course.  

 

Spain would be a nice theatre and some room for more exotic early planes. Apart from the Rata, we could see the He112 (although only used in very small numbers), the 109D and this German bi-plane I forgot the name. Not to forget some Italian aircraft types of the corpo truppe volontarie On republican side the I-15, the Rata and the Tupolev SB - Wikipedia to name a few.

 

Here's a site with some information on aircrafts used in the Spanish civil war, unfortunately only in German:  [Historisch] Die Luftfahrt im Spanischen Bürgerkrieg. - Neuigkeiten - War Thunder

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Rokychuchi

Starting with assumptions of:

- Devs will leave PTO for the big inauguration of the following engine (so, few years in the future)

- 4 engine bombers likewise.

- As various commented here, Devs Business Analysis indicates that they should always move slightly forward in time to keep the cash flowing (meaning no BOB, Battle of France, Leningrad/northern Barbarossa,...).

- They will continue with the 5+5 battle model.

- Devs won't step into the current and agreed future CLOD territory (meaning no BOB for 2º time, also no North Africa/Malta/1941 rodeos-circus-ramrods,...)

 

I hope I'm wrong here. If not, then it leaves only two possibilities that make sense before they paint themselves into the corner:

  • Eastern Front 1944/45 (Bagration late 1944 or Poland winter 1945)
  • Invasion of Sicily/South Italy 1943/44

Unless they suddenly decide to jump out of the WW2 to the early cold war (Korea, or something hypothetical like the Cold war gone hot somewhere around the Fulda gap: TK's Strike Fighters type scenario), which I hope they don't. 

So, my bet would be 2 WW2 DLC more before we proceed to the GB 2.0 with the PTO.

 

Anyway, whatever they make, I'll happily buy.

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15 hours ago, Rokychuchi said:

 

 

- As various commented here, Devs Business Analysis indicates that they should always move slightly forward in time to keep the cash flowing (meaning no BOB, Battle of France, Leningrad/northern Barbarossa,...).

- They will continue with the 5+5 battle model.

- Devs won't step into the current and agreed future CLOD territory (meaning no BOB for 2º time, also no North Africa/Malta/1941 rodeos-circus-ramrods,...)

 

 

I'm not sure about those assumptions.  In the west the devs are, in fact, moving backwards.  They are moving more or sort of forwards in the East.  The next chronological step really would be either Italy or channel front.  However, the current map and plane set is probably good enough for Channel front.  If they stay in the West then Italy, France, and Battle of Britain (despite CLOD) are all in play.  Given that North Africa is recently released by the CLOD team that is probably out.

 

I also do not believe that a strict adherence to the 5-5 model is necessary or advisable.  The German stable has been built up across all of the modules leaving the Allies, and the Russians in particular, lacking.  An Italian module allows the team to do 5-5, with a focus on Italian planes for the Axis.  A France module allows development of a whole new plane set.  

 

The lack of a late war eastern front module is glaring.  Especially given that this is a Russian company.  My best guess is a  Berlin module (that will actually be Seelow Heights) to allow the development of late war Russian planes with something more like 7-3 or 8-2 ratio.   My most fervent hope is a Battle of France module that takes us to 1940.  For that module 5-5 can still work (IMHO 6-4 works better).

 

While the number of possible European modules is becoming increasingly limited, there are still three, four, or even five viable possibilities.  Given a 2 year development cycle, that is a long time that can still be spent in Europe.  I would not be surprised if the team is doing research work on the Pacific, but after the previous aborted attempt, they are probably not going to say anything until they are sure they can proceed.

 

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40 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

My most fervent hope is a Battle of France module that takes us to 1940. 

 

yes...YES!
Early stukas could be added to Battle of Moscow, which are lacking.

Curtiss Hawk would also allow for Finland scenarios.

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Rokychuchi
2 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I also do not believe that a strict adherence to the 5-5 model is necessary or advisable. 

Well I hope you're right. The problem with no following the 5+5 model are those whose first purchase would be that brand new DLC. For them the equilibrium is needed, or it might be seen as a trick to force them to buy other modules. 

 

2 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

The lack of a late war eastern front module is glaring.  Especially given that this is a Russian company.  My best guess is a  Berlin module (that will actually be Seelow Heights) to allow the development of late war Russian planes with something more like 7-3 or 8-2 ratio. 

Agree 100%. That's the most probable bet. 

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3 minutes ago, Rokychuchi said:

Well I hope you're right. The problem with no following the 5+5 model are those whose first purchase would be that brand new DLC. For them the equilibrium is needed, or it might be seen as a trick to force them to buy other modules. 

Not disagreeing but I'm also not sure.  It hasn't been tried yet so it's hard to tell.  I fly mostly German and very little Russian, but I would still buy the module for the map and the new targets :) .  

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19 hours ago, Rokychuchi said:

 

Starting with assumptions of:

 

I think this is a pretty good analysis of the current situation.

Personally, I find the thought of another eastern front scenario a bit of a bore. It’ll be another group of familiar aircraft with those very familiar cockpits flying over a familiar landscape doing the same old familiar things.

 

However, I understand that what I would like to see - some sort of carrier operations - will have to wait on an expanded team and a more developed game engine.

 

 

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24 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Not disagreeing but I'm also not sure.  It hasn't been tried yet so it's hard to tell.  I fly mostly German and very little Russian, but I would still buy the module for the map and the new targets :) .  

It's already being tried with Flying Circus II were it's 4 for Central and 6 for Allied forces.

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18 minutes ago, ww2fighter20 said:

It's already being tried with Flying Circus II were it's 4 for Central and 6 for Allied forces.

 

Thanks for pointing that out.  Didn't seem to make even a ripple of discontent there so hopefully all good for future modules.  

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Hmmmm, if they play it right (and looking at the Finnish side), could they not do a Winter War (as a full DLC), and allow for a Battle Of France  (using Normandy Map) as a smaller mini-expansion/add-on later? I think that could work aircraft wise (depending).

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My bet is something non carrier pacific. New Guinea would be amazing. flyable b25, earlier version of p38, p40, p39 and all the Kawasaki aircraft

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On 5/26/2021 at 10:47 AM, DD_Arthur said:

Personally, I find the thought of another eastern front scenario a bit of a bore. It’ll be another group of familiar aircraft with those very familiar cockpits flying over a familiar landscape doing the same old familiar things.

 

Maybe so, but that doesn't make it any less necessary. The idea of completely ignoring the final two years of the Eastern Front just because it's not exciting enough--it's unthinkable for a WWII sim that has its foundations built on the Eastern Front.

 

In terms of landscapes being similar, the only way to pick a more novel area would be to use Hungary instead of Berlin or Courland. At least in Hungary you'd get some mountainous areas and maybe the odd castle to use as navigation landmarks.

 

As for getting the same cockpits and doing the same things... Normandy has redundancy with Bodenplatte in the following planes: Bf-109, Fw-190, Spitfire, Tempest/Typhoon, P-47, and P-51. It's not the potential Eastern Front '44-'45 module's fault there aren't any oddball Russian designs from that period, and that all the exotic German planes (Me-410, Me-262, Arado-234, etc) will have been used up by then; and that any really rare planes (He-162, Ta-152, etc) will either be impossible to include in the sim, or will be whined about for being too rare if they are included. At this point in development, there's no way to keep on adding 'exciting' planes without compromising historical fidelity.

 

As great as Italy '43-'44 would be, I have my doubts if the tiny number of Italian planes produced were ever tested enough (with surviving records) to generate sufficient data to accurately recreate.

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ITAF_Rani
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On 5/28/2021 at 4:28 AM, oc2209 said:

 

As great as Italy '43-'44 would be, I have my doubts if the tiny number of Italian planes produced were ever tested enough (with surviving records) to generate sufficient data to accurately recreate

Close to Rome we have un huge museum with these planes..

Aeronuatica Militare Museum in Vigna di Valle.

If asked.... in italian community we have historians can provide interesting data....

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It would be a crying shame to go to southern Italy and not have Sicily and Malta.

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FarflungWanderer

I personally am a fan of continuing to expand the Eastern Front. Something for Bagration or running up to the final days of the war in Europe in general would be wonderful.

 

I do think that, at some point, 777 has to start selling maps rather than maps and planesets. We're slowly starting to run out of aircraft, and I'd prefer that the career mode be continually expanded by adding more battlegrounds than put on the brakes.

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Reggie_Mental

I would really like an He162. It was my favourite mount in IL2 1946

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On 5/29/2021 at 2:42 AM, ITAF_Rani said:

Close to Rome we have un huge museum with these planes..

Aeronuatica Militare Museum in Vigna di Valle.

If asked.... in italian community we have historians can provide interesting data....

 

While surviving examples are always helpful, I was referring more to detailed testing data. If that also exists, then I stand corrected.

 

What I'm most interesting in flying is the Re.2005. It's such a gorgeous plane, I don't really care if it even flies well. My concern, though, is that only 48 were built (according to Wikipedia). So my worry is whether test data for such a rare plane can be found (tests performed by Italy, Germany, or the Allies), and secondarily whether the developers would want to include something that rare. I mean, I hope they do, as a collector plane if nothing else.

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On 6/1/2021 at 6:55 AM, oc2209 said:

 

While surviving examples are always helpful, I was referring more to detailed testing data. If that also exists, then I stand corrected.

 

What I'm most interesting in flying is the Re.2005. It's such a gorgeous plane, I don't really care if it even flies well. My concern, though, is that only 48 were built (according to Wikipedia). So my worry is whether test data for such a rare plane can be found (tests performed by Italy, Germany, or the Allies), and secondarily whether the developers would want to include something that rare. I mean, I hope they do, as a collector plane if nothing else.

I agree...maybe for Re 2005 could be same problem to found data... but who know..

In old IL2 ( 1946) when Oleg asked for data about 205,several people from italian community made thier best in order to provide it..

After BON don' t Know what happens regarding new DLC, but if the way to Pacific remain closed, we could speculate between Italy or Late East.

One thing is sure, the serie "5" for Italian planes ( Mc 205, G55, Re 2005)  was outstanding and full capable to face allied planes, only the numbers were too small.

See them again fly in the sky of GB could be an amazing thing.

Will see

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Master_Caution
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No doubt someone else has suggested something like this before, but a smaller module to add late war east front would be a great idea.

Need something to bridge the gap to the late war Luftwaffe for the East Front.

 

I'd suggest a late 1944 Courland pocket map area with a Baltic region, which would be smaller than the Rhineland map, and still allow for novelty with over water anti-shipping ops.

 

for the 8 planeset:

VVS: Yak-3, La-7, IL2M3(1944), Tu2-S 

LW:Bf109G-10, Bf109G-14/AS, Ju-87 D-5/G-2mod, Do217K-1

 

For the premiums? Tanks!?! StugIV, and T34/85

If you wanted planes, you could go with the Yak9U, or swap the 3 and 9u as standard/premiums and then the Ju188A, or P63

 

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pocketshaver

the majority of new planes would be best done in the format of 

 

war in spain

 

germany into poland and chezchkoslovakia

 

pushing brits out of france and out of europe, but NOTHING with the battle of britain. clod does that rather well.

 

finland and the regions around it.   flying in snow anyone

 

Norway and that region would be fun, lots of water to fly on.  

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I am personally interested in a "Battle of Slovakia".

 

Timeline:

August 1944 - April 1945 (Starting with the uprising and ending with the surrender of Slovakia.)

 

Planes:

 

Eastern Allies

Lavochkin La-5FN

IAR-81C

IL-2M3

Tu-2S*

Collector: IAR JRS-79B1

 

European Axis**

Bf-109G-10

Fw-190A-9

Me-210Ca-1 (And modified ground attack version)

He-111H-20 (or H-21)

Collector: I don't know yet.

 

*While I am pretty sure the Tu-2 would work here, there might be better options, though I do not have enough knowledge as of yet to know what.

**I need a lot of help with this, especially considering that at some point I would like to make a suggestion for this.

 

One of the issues with this plane set is that it does get pretty Hungarian. Now, Hungary was involved, but the amount of Hungary specific aircraft might warrant something Balaton related to be involved (as mentioned earlier in this thread). If map size allows for it, then maybe this could be expanded to include Hungary too.

 

I put some emphasis on Romanian planes to add variety and a bit of a new flavor.

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Soilworker

I reckon a Battle of Berlin would be pretty viable, you can have a good mix of late war Western and Eastern allied planes (maybe 3 of each) and for Germans Bf-109 G-10, Fw-190 D-13, maybe something like an He-219 or some other twin-engined plane and maybe an He-162 as a collector plane.

 

(and - fingers crossed - an Me-163 as a separate collector plane [hey, I can dream!] 😁)

 

Okay I know the 162 & 163 weren't really used much but they are really cool. 😅 And you can say the same thing about the Snipe and SS D.IV.

There are of course more sensible options like the 190-A9.

 

The main problem is still the lack of heavy bombers in large numbers unfortunately. 

 

But whatever the Devs decide I'm sure it'll be pretty sweet. 🍰

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