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Trog1odyte

Just make the existing and appropriate German planes available (with careers) and publish 10 new allied airplanes (British, US, SOV) with a new map.

Or exchange Germany with Italy or Finland.

Or with Japan, sooner or later 777 has to do it if the Il-2 GB series wants to live on.

Or focus on FC vol 2, implement careers and all the missing planes (incl bombers) from ROF.

 

Lot's of options.

 

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On 5/19/2020 at 8:55 AM, Blooddawn1942 said:

Maybe a total insane thought. But a helicopter scenario would be very interesting. Not speaking of the super modern chopers like the Ah-64 with its impossible to implement avionics. 

But Cold war stuff like early Hinds, Cobras and Hueys would be interesting. 

Got a pedantic view on that. 
It is a reason for me to chose GB for WW2 

No matter what that other company do ww 2 simulated aerial combat simulation in GB will suit me better , it is not a matter of the planes but the simulation it self. 
I have DCS and XP 11 for choppers, I go nowhere else for that experience. 
If the team go Korea or choose another very late war scenario. There must , like BON , contain something specific of interest to me, in order for me to buy it. Or I simply silently pass on it. 
same with Korea, it would need something I really have an interest in. 

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Whether the current game engine is able to simulate modern (Cold war etc.) aerial combat / planes / choppers or not, is something I cannot judge.

But I think it would lead into something we already saw with IL2 1946 (although most of the content done via mods). We now already have a module

that runs well with the current engine - Tank Crew - but as everybody also noticed, it is not 100% suitable for the whole IL2 GB series.

 

Don't take me wrong, I love TC and the way it works - still room for improvement here - but we already see some limitations with the engine / concept,

if you ask me. We can't always have what we want. I can live very well with the limitations (lack of infantry etc.), but apparently others not.

I think the best way to go for IL2 Great Battles is to stay withing WWII scenarios and not trying to conquer new terrains already covered by DCS. And

I do also think, that DCS should stick on their domain. Their WWII efforts are a wast of money if you ask me. I know, their flight model may be well done,

but there is absolutely no content. To me, although having several DCS modules too, it feels like a hangar simulation - you've got the most sophisticated
modern combat airplane simulation with thousands of nobs, switches, levers etc. - but you have no content, it's simply bland and dull.

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20 minutes ago, -=-THERION said:

Their WWII efforts are a wast of money if you ask me. I know, their flight model may be well done,

but there is absolutely no content

I treat thise modules like fsx planes. Just for flying. 
Funny thing comparing these two. 
As some of the modules in DCS are regularly Tested by pilots that fly them for real.  Still the fm is not correct. But at many things they are. It is not possible to fet it 100 % 

but I like different thing on comparable modules in both and cannot judge any of them as better myself. Except from I 16. Dcs is my favorite in that one

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Monksilver

We all know that what would sell well is anything set in the PTO. We also know that a barrier to that is the amount of work involved in modelling not just planes for both Japan and the US but also the ships. So we can't expect the developers to start off with a full PTO release, but perhaps they can work their way up to it with a series of releases that gradually expand the plane set so eventually all they need to worry about are ships.

 

So how about starting with something based in the Russia - Japan conflict of May to September 1939. That would allow for early Russian planes and also a start on Japanese planes (although I think none of their planes used then were used much by the time of Pearl Harbour).

 

From there they can expand into other areas of the conflicts in far east such as Burma, Singapore etc. In each release they can use existing allied planes or variants of them to keep the work down whilst adding to the range of Japanese planes.

 

This gradual approach is probably the most realistic road to getting the full Battle of Midway that a lot of people want. It also gives a the developers a long term strategy for product releases so the business doesn't just peter out.

 

 

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As we all get revved up for Battle of Normandy I thought I would start a peaceful discussion about what map and 10 aircraft you would like to see on the next installment.  Let us assume Pacific and Asia are not available, yet.

 

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cardboard_killer

This topic gets beat up all the time in the polls section. PTO is popular, but if the developers don't have the dope for the planes it isn't going to happen. And then there are the distances flown. Wishing it so isn't going to make it happen.

 

I hope for Tunisia, but it's a German/British plane set that we already have mostly, a US plane set few want (more P-40s and early P-38) and the Italians which only a minority want. And CLoD people are working on North Africa already.

 

I think more Soviet vs. Axis is next up, but what the Axis planes will be is a bit beyond me.

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44 minutes ago, Mika_87 said:

Finnish Winter and / or Continuation War

This + this again

43 minutes ago, GarandM1 said:

Pacific, no question about it.

Yeah...... not much of a hope

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US63_SpadLivesMatter

Pacific. 

 

Even if there is always that one poster who shits all over it.  Mind your business- we can still hope.

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Personally I think the Mediterranean with carriers would be nice, flying Swordfish off Illustrious to attack Taranto, flying the Sm-79 on a torpedo attack, it would be a nice precursor to the Pacific.  

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44 minutes ago, twilson37 said:

Personally I think the Mediterranean with carriers would be nice, flying Swordfish off Illustrious to attack Taranto, flying the Sm-79 on a torpedo attack, it would be a nice precursor to the Pacific.  

Maybe someday, but I don’t think the devs will be doing the Mediterranean like North Africa, Malta, etc. anytime soon.

Sorry.

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46 minutes ago, Ptolemy_Soter said:

Late war Eastern front

 

This and besides a 44/45 Goetterdaemmerung module an additional 43/44 Eastern Front module. Both modules then would allow us to experience the complete 41-45 airwar in 5 segments. There are tons of interesting planes on both sides still missing in various modules.

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On 5/6/2020 at 3:28 AM, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

We are running low of German fighters. I think there is really only one German fighter left (G-10).

 

109G6/AS (nearly 700 built, belongs in Normandy)

109G14/AS (2nd most common 109 in Boldenplatte, over 1,000 built)

109G10+G10/AS (over 2,700 built)

FW190A-9 (over 900 built)

 

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29 minutes ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

109G6/AS (nearly 700 built, belongs in Normandy)

109G14/AS (2nd most common 109 in Boldenplatte, over 1,000 built)

109G10+G10/AS (over 2,700 built)

FW190A-9 (over 900 built)

 

 

You also forgot the 109 "E" prior to the E7 and the 109 T (2) which was used in Norway. 

I believe there is also the 190 A4 as well. 

 

Some of these will undoubtedly be "Collector Planes"

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On 5/6/2020 at 12:28 AM, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

We are running low of German fighters. I think there is really only one German fighter left (G-10)

That’s interesting as that means that pretty much all of the German fighters have been made into the game with the rest being added in a Battle of Berlin. For any 1943-44 Eastern Front battle, they may need to include some early war German fighters that fought in the 1941 phase.
 

What pre 1944 German fighters/aircraft still need to be added to the game?

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How about an ETO 1945 map which reaches from the Western to the Eastern front? Centering it around Berlin may be out of the question though as the maps seem to exclude big cities.   

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Bremspropeller

New Guinea.

 

Everything else will be "more of the same" and quite frankly not of any interest to me.

On 6/2/2020 at 6:15 PM, cardboard_killer said:

This topic gets beat up all the time in the polls section. PTO is popular, but if the developers don't have the dope for the planes it isn't going to happen. And then there are the distances flown. Wishing it so isn't going to make it happen.

 

Simple:

 

Provide a scaled down version of the map for MP (or a MP-map) and give SP-people the option to spawn "near target".

 

Fixed.

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IRRE_Rafale22

I’m kind of a dreamer, but If we want to stay in a WWII scenario which I guess it will definitely be the case, I would love to see the Battle of France with RAF and French Air Force fighting early Germans planes (Bf109 E type as well as early Stuka, 110, J57, ect). For the coalition side, we could see some Bloch MB. 150 series, Bloch 174, P36 Hawk, Dewoitine D520, Maurane Saulnier M.S 406, Farman 220 Type and early British set planes. 

But again, I’m French and kind of a dreamer ahaha

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5 minutes ago, Rafale22 said:

I’m kind of a dreamer, but If we want to stay in a WWII scenario which I guess it will definitely be the case, I would love to see the Battle of France with RAF and French Air Force fighting early Germans planes (Bf109 E type as well as early Stuka, 110, J57, ect). For the coalition side, we could see some Bloch MB. 150 series, Bloch 174, P36 Hawk, Dewoitine D520, Maurane Saulnier M.S 406, Farman 220 Type and early British set planes. 

But again, I’m French and kind of a dreamer ahaha


It’s hardly an unrealistic dream, D.520s of the Armée de l'Air in the Battle of France are part of the upcoming 5.0 update and DLC for Cliffs of Dover Blitz.

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4 minutes ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:


It’s hardly an unrealistic dream, D.520s of the Armée de l'Air in the Battle of France are part of the upcoming 5.0 update and DLC for Cliffs of Dover Blitz.


Unfortunately I know, dreams hardly come true and I think most of peoples playing Il-2 GB would see no interest in playing Battle of France (Too short scenarios, none competitive fighters from the French side, and so on and so on). But I will definitely enjoyed any upcoming battles from the devs, I support them at 200% ! Love their work really :)

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Reggie_Mental

Bomber campaigns 1943-45.

 

Flyable B17, B24 and Lancaster, escorted by P51 and P47

 

Opposed by FW190s, Me109, Me262, Me163, Me410, Me110 and He219 NachtJager with AI radar

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@216th_cat

 

Why do you laugh? All of this was done in IL2 1946 and added mods. And that was a much more limiting framework being a 32 bit product. None of what I am suggesting is impossible. 7 of the 11 aircraft are already in IL2GB. (Me410 on the way)

 

The art of the possible becomes more achievable in each incarnation.

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2 hours ago, Reggie_Mental said:

@216th_cat

 

Why do you laugh? 

 

Reggie, you've been around here long enough to have seen (and maybe participated in) the innumerable threads about this subject, and the continuing assertion that this sim is a tactical warfare setup and not a strategic one. And if you believe what the dev team say, it never will be. No four-engine heavies; hell, it's hard enough trying to get a flyable B-25 or any other kind of flyable bomber.

So why did I laugh? I honestly thought that you were being tongue-in-cheek, or maybe even a little bit mischievous 😲.

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On 6/13/2020 at 5:12 AM, Reggie_Mental said:

Bomber campaigns 1943-45.

 

Flyable B17, B24 and Lancaster, escorted by P51 and P47

 

Opposed by FW190s, Me109, Me262, Me163, Me410, Me110 and He219 NachtJager with AI radar

 

On 6/13/2020 at 6:13 AM, Reggie_Mental said:

@216th_cat

 

Why do you laugh? All of this was done in IL2 1946 and added mods. And that was a much more limiting framework being a 32 bit product. None of what I am suggesting is impossible. 7 of the 11 aircraft are already in IL2GB. (Me410 on the way)

 

The art of the possible becomes more achievable in each incarnation.

Making an airplane for any dev team today takes a mammoth amount of time and effort. Even for a single engine fighter like the Hurricane; it has been almost a year since it was announced that it and the Yak-9 were in Pre-Production, and the Hurricane still has yet to be released. With bombers, they are multi-engined and have multiple cockpits/stations that have to be made. For the A-20B, that was one of the last planes to be released for BoK.

Even making an AI bomber takes a lot of work because you have to make the External model and FM/DM, and then you have to make each gun and train the AI how to fire accurately at a target (sometimes, it’s too accurately).


With Bodenplatte they gave us the B-25 as AI, which was also one of the last aircraft to be released. With Normandy we’ll get the C-47 as AI because it doesn’t require any guns, unlike the Ju-52 and Li-2, and probably because the C-47 cockpit wouldn’t quite fit their budget. They also decided to add the B-26 as AI to give us another bomber to join the B-25. It appears that the B-26 was just able to fit their budget, but that will probably take the same amount of effort that the B-25 took.
 

I really hope that the next Allied: non-Russian bomber after BoN that’s released is the Avro Lancaster because AFAIK it hasn’t been in any CFS except in IL-2 1946 mods, and it should be the starting point for the devs in making 4 engined Heavy bombers as it has fewer guns that have to be made than on a B-17, and B-24. 
The plan is that these AI aircraft will be made flyable eventually, hopefully soon.

 

Yes. These planes were added to IL-2 1946, but that was ~20 years ago where FM/DMs weren’t modelled as accurately as they are today and more attention to detail for cockpits, FM/DMs are spent now a days. Crashes in 1946 were better than in some other games, but right now the crashes in IL-2 GBs are usually more realistic than in IL-2 1946.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Cheers.

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On 6/13/2020 at 1:57 PM, Rafale22 said:


Unfortunately I know, dreams hardly come true and I think most of peoples playing Il-2 GB would see no interest in playing Battle of France (Too short scenarios, none competitive fighters from the French side, and so on and so on). But I will definitely enjoyed any upcoming battles from the devs, I support them at 200% ! Love their work really :)

Great idea, maybe Il2-Blitzkrieg. With the French planes, planes from The Netherlands (Fokker G1, Fokker D21) and the Battle of Dunkirk/BEF (early Spitfires and Hurricane's, Blenheim). A large part of the map is already in Bodenplatte. We will keep on dreaming ;-).

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On 6/13/2020 at 7:57 PM, Rafale22 said:


Unfortunately I know, dreams hardly come true and I think most of peoples playing Il-2 GB would see no interest in playing Battle of France (Too short scenarios, none competitive fighters from the French side, and so on and so on). But I will definitely enjoyed any upcoming battles from the devs, I support them at 200% ! Love their work really :)

 

What do you mean non-competitive fighters. The D520s are considered on par or slightly better than the 109s. The MS 406 and the Curtis H75 were good enough. The MB 152 while outdated did manage to shoot down German planes. France's problem wasn't poor equipment. It was in part a lack of aircraft, but also the idiot Huntzinger. If he had allowed air support then the French could had hit the Germans in the Ardennes. 

 

Battle of France would be epic for early war planes. Vive la France! 

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11 minutes ago, [=PzG=]-FlyinPinkPanther said:

What do you mean non-competitive fighters. The D520s are considered on par or slightly better than the 109s.


Based on CloD, the D.520 is slower but better at turning than the 109 (admittedly I am a poor pilot in it, though), and it actually has a centreline-mounted 20mm so you won’t miss as many of your shots. Took the Germans a few more months to figure out how to do that properly.

 

Of course, what I’d like to see is a TC Battle of France, so I can finally play with this amazing tank:

 

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True, the commander, turret gunner, and turret loader are all the same person, and the driver, and 75mm gunner are all also the same person, but this thing was basically the Tiger of early-war Western Europe.

 

(Also it can have anime skins FEB5D026-44EB-4B0C-9EEB-762A4BA1F1CC.png.fa143157798f6edb50444f05b17685c9.png)

 

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Italy 43/44

Berlin 45

Finland 44-45

Bagration 44

Pacific 42-45

Burma 43-45

France 40

Britain 40-41

Korea 50-53

 

Id buy any of these. Particular interest in Italy, Pacific, Burma and Korea. 

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Whomst_d_ve

Hi there.

I have an interest in this game and aviation history, so enjoy just coming up with different appropriate aircraft for different battles.   

The battles I have covered so far is the Battle of France, Battle of Midway, and the Battle of Malta. 

The battle of France I feel is severely underrepresented (along with French aircraft in general) so I decided to come up with what a possible line up would look like: (Note there are more collectors options in this series to represent the most amount aircraft)

Allies:

Morane-Saulnier M.S.406
Dewoitine D.520
Potez 630
Liore et Olivier LeO 45

Collectors: Curtiss H-75A1, Bloch MB.152, Hawker Hurricane (
 

Axis:

Messerschmitt Bf-109 E-3
Messerschmitt Bf-110 C-1
Junkers Ju 87 B-1
Junkers Ju 88 A-1

Collectors: Heinkel He 112B, Fiat G.50 Freccia
 

Following this is what I think the Battle of Midway will look like: (The collectors planes are all float planes). 

Allies:

Brewster F2A-3 Buffalo 
Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat
Douglas SBD Dauntless
Douglas TBD-1 Devastator

Collectors: Consolidated PBY Catalina

 

Axis:

Mitsubishi A6M2
Aichi D3A1
Nakajima B5N2
Mitsubishi G4M

Collectors: Nakajima A6M2-N

 

Finally I feel like the Italians should get a little love as well, so I did the Battle of Malta:

Allies:

Hawker Hurricane 
Gloster Sea Gladiator 
Blackburn Skua
Vickers Wellington 

Collectors: Fairey Swordfish 

 

Axis:

Macchi C.200
Fiat CR.42
Junkers Ju 87
Savoia-Marchetti SM.79

Collectors: Breda Ba.65
 

Please comment your thoughts on these ideas and suggested changes, cheers. 

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