Jason_Williams 20985 Posted March 20 Quote 245 Hey everybody! We hope you are hanging in there and staying healthy! While we're stuck inside our homes trying not to get sick I thought you'd enjoy some footage of our improved airframe damage model in action. These clips show how our wings are much stronger than before and how our improved damage calculations cause a myriad of failures that can bring down a plane, or in some cases, maybe allow you to limp home... Full news - here is a full text and visual materials 12 14 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
=gRiJ=Roman- 572 Posted March 20 (edited) First!!!! FINALLY!!! I was reading Jason´s answers in the Russian forum .... Edited March 20 by =gRiJ=Roman- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord_Strange 22 Posted March 20 "Before the end of March" is much sooner than I was expecting for the update, glad to hear it's on its way. Hope the team are doing well. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catchthefoxes 299 Posted March 20 thanks so much for this!!! im really exited to see this in game!!! also, i really like these video commentaries !! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6FG_Big_Al 483 Posted March 20 Nice video I can only hope for next week Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LLv24_Sukka24 105 Posted March 20 Looks really great! Thanks for the video Jason! Can't wait to try it myself! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sevenless 1664 Posted March 20 Loved that kill by the Tempest. Looking forward to see the new DM in action. Stay healthy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zappatime 34 Posted March 20 Jason, does this work affect airframe strength with ground impacts? Contrary to the wings 'folding up like a cheap suitcase', as you put it, I'm always surprised how shot down aircraft going down in a shallow dive can hit the ground and then slide along intact (more or less) without exploding or breaking up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RAY-EU 149 Posted March 20 Very good DM ! Thank you very much ! To make more entertainment & easy our safety home stay with the simulators ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason_Williams 20985 Posted March 20 1 minute ago, Zappatime said: Jason, does this work affect airframe strength with ground impacts? Contrary to the wings 'folding up like a cheap suitcase', as you put it, I'm always surprised how shot down aircraft going down in a shallow dive can hit the ground and then slide along intact (more or less) without exploding or breaking up. I have seen planes do different things in crashes during our testing. You'll still get a variation, but we did not focus on what happens when they hit the ground per se. Our focus was on weapons and combat. But I flew a 109 into the ground yesterday and he hit and skidded and fell apart. As you see in the video the P-47 hits and skids and the wings collapse. We can't model aluminum bending and breaking like a real plane so there is only so much we can do. We try to calculate whether a plane skids, breaks up or blows up. Not a whole lot of choices and a lot of it is dictated by physics not necessarily our damage model. Jason 8 2 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QB.Creep 178 Posted March 20 Looks fantastic! Love the format, too - the video was a nice touch. Very much looking forward to seeing how the damage model affects the P-51 (which I think is too strong) and the P-38 (which I think is too weak, especially the elevator). Thanks again! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Luftschiff 290 Posted March 20 Fantastic video, I loved every minute of it. Beware the ides of march, old DM! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thad 1259 Posted March 20 Salutations, It is most satisfying to acknowledge that the development team actually does respond to perceived problems reported by the player base. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DBS]Browning 478 Posted March 20 Really fantastic DD. Thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingNutcase 178 Posted March 20 Looking really good; very similar to real gun camera footage IMHO. Very much looking forward to this update. Nice work Team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badders46_VR 12 Posted March 20 Looks awesome Jason... I have been sticking with the P-47 as it is my favourite... looks like I will like it even more now! :D Stay safe all and best wishes in this tough time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keeno 230 Posted March 20 Super cool video, I like this format! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JimTM 1103 Posted March 20 Thanks for the DM part 1 update Jason. The results look good. Stay safe everyone. 📈📉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jason_Williams 20985 Posted March 20 I filmed it in Alt-F2 view so you can better see the impact without the cockpit obstructing the view on deflection shooting. That is why the camera angle is not from the cockpit view. Jason 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyingShark 222 Posted March 20 Thank you for the vid, looks like great stuff is coming again. Have a nice day and be safe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dburne 1838 Posted March 20 Most excellent DD! Thank you for taking the time to create this video and doing this for us! I can tell , my kill ratio on those 190's will certainly go down - used to love sawing their wings off. Should be a lot of fun! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyDuck 528 Posted March 20 Thanks a lot for this, looks really promising! A minor question - it is mentioned in the video that damage modelling for the engine was turned off in order to focus on air-frame damage susceptibility. Does this include fuel tank as well? Because probably there should be more fuel tank fires. Anyhow, stay safe, stay healthy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon41 41 Posted March 20 Jason, Great video as I believe these images go much further than written descriptions. Looking forward to having these improvements in the next release. By the way, stay safe and healthy, as this is a most frightful and confusing time in the world’s history. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LF_Gallahad 1400 Posted March 20 Love the new effects, this is going to be awesome. Stay safe and thanks, Dev team! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RBRI]Khaela 22 Posted March 20 That look super promising. Soo looking forward to this! And I'm extremly curious on how this will affect the FC planes. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
J5_Spyboy 68 Posted March 20 7 minutes ago, [RBRI]Khaela said: And I'm extremly curious on how this will affect the FC planes. As am I. Anyway thanks for the video Jason, it looks to be a great improvement to what is already a fantastic product. Hope you all stay safe and well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
69th_Mobile_BBQ 600 Posted March 20 (edited) The video looks good! I do wonder if there will be times where minor hits will still cause unexpected results. I'm sure it was rare IRL, but I would venture a guess that more than once, a weak hit in a vital area would cause a severely disproportional result. In other words, I wonder how well this new damage system will still preserve the reality that it might only take one bullet or piece of shrapnel without over(or under)doing it. Edited March 20 by 69th_Mobile_BBQ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jvm 15 Posted March 20 Very very nice! I am still however wondering about coolant trails: there was a relatively low quantity of coolant on the inline engine equipped aircraft (20/30l?) and when a shell/bullet severed the line, the glycol fumes were nicely white but very short-lived (less than a minute I would say) which does not seem the case...It has been an issue since the first Il2...When the fume stops, the engine dies... Some later 109 were equipped with coolant cutoffs but then the fumes should disappear very quickly. I have liked in the video the appearance sometimes of two types of fumes together, white (glycol) and grey (oil or fire)! Nice work! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Operatsiya_Ivy 474 Posted March 20 @Jason_Williams can you touch upon how lift will get affected by damage with the new update in comparison to the current DM? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smink1701 386 Posted March 20 50 minutes ago, Jason_Williams said: I filmed it in Alt-F2 view so you can better see the impact without the cockpit obstructing the view on deflection shooting. That is why the camera angle is not from the cockpit view. Jason Great vid bud! Would have been even better in no cockpit mode like good ole IL2. Wish you guys could pull that off since i think many of us would really appreciate it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kendo 413 Posted March 20 (edited) Halleluyah!! Looks great. I personally had got very fed up with the incessant de-winging. Looks to be a much more varied set of results now. Very believable looking. Was great seeing several planes go out of controlled flight and into spins when control surfaces were shot off. Also, contrary to what someone said earlier saw at least two fuel tank fires - intense white flame - looks great. Many thanks for this. Edited March 20 by kendo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
=VARP=Tvrdi 419 Posted March 20 Finally no more cartoonish RC planes falling apart like cards....Looking at the video it looks much more like in real guncam footage, planes can take a lot of damage (sturdier and bigger even more) and there are fires often...Im very pleased. Also its amazing that you are still working in this harsh times. Thank you. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomicP 25 Posted March 20 Excellent work. One of my favourite things about this series is the constant polishing of it as time goes by. A clear labour of love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ZachariasX 1882 Posted March 20 That looks great! Really looking forward for the next patch! Great job! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mac_Messer 223 Posted March 20 Any and all DM revs/upgrades are welcome, even though results will vary I suspect. Most of us probably have their own complaints about damage modelling which is caused by our own sp/mp experiences. For me AI planes are far too robust in action, since they don`t disengage until critical dmg or out of coolant or fuel. That in intself often takes very long time and often there are several if not more planes in the air that would seem to be visually disabled , are just endlessly trailing smoke but still shooting at one another. As a result, any AI plane that did nit hot the ground might turn on the player and attack him at any time, not very realistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dijital_Majik 53 Posted March 20 Looks great, can't wait to try this out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JG_deserteagle540 18 Posted March 20 Really fantastic work being done! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
