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Slightly OT or would that be "OS" ( Other Sim?)This image took some looking for , but apparently there is slow process going on in V.5.00 over at ATAG CloD on the C-6..It looks pretty good .I imagine its a slow race to wee which one is operational first? I'm just sayin'....

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I'm actually pretty impressed by the pace that TFS is now working at... but yes, because they are aiming for a single big release and they have limited resources we'll likely see the Hurricane II (and the possibly the Ju-88C) in the BoX/Great Battles series first...

 

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some cross-pollination going on in terms of ideas too (as the Great Battles staff almost certainly have alpha access to TFS Tobruk). In any case, it should be brilliant to have these aircraft in these sims.

 

Even if TFS Tobruk releases their Ju-88C later... they'll also have a Wellington and a Beaufighter in their sim... which are aircraft that are noticeably slower than the Ju-88C and thus represent better opponents for it. It may take longer in Great Battles to get a Wellington, Lancaster, Il-4, or Beaufighter... so the 88C may have less suitable opponents! Should still be a blast though!

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How I would love a real environment for this C6

Fly sub escort and protect them from Sunderlands, Wellingtons, Halifaxes and other old bomber command planes put into costal command

or Flying a Sunderland hunting sub’s and get intercepted by them. 

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4 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I wouldn't be surprised if there is some cross-pollination going on in terms of ideas too (as the Great Battles staff almost certainly have alpha access to TFS Tobruk).

 

I'd be hugely surprised if any of the 1CGS developers have anything whatsoever to do with TFS.

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5 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

How I would love a real environment for this C6

Fly sub escort and protect them from Sunderlands, Wellingtons, Halifaxes and other old bomber command planes put into costal command

or Flying a Sunderland hunting sub’s and get intercepted by them. 

To be fair, that would be possible if someone were to make a mission for it. Would probably work better as a co-op if you want MP. Just need to figure out subs and all that other lovely FMB technical jumbo, and god knows how much work, and bing bang boom, there you go!. :wacko:

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15 hours ago, Avimimus said:

I'm actually pretty impressed by the pace that TFS is now working at.

 

I feel a little weirded out that most (or many, at least) new things are coming in pics only, no videos. Makes me wonder if they are in such an advanced stage as it seems.

 

 

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1 hour ago, danielprates said:

 

I feel a little weirded out that most (or many, at least) new things are coming in pics only, no videos. Makes me wonder if they are in such an advanced stage as it seems.

 

 

I think they are. But likely some tweaks are needed. Videos only produce a storm of criticism. Then they have to answer it is a wip. And then they have to sit down and work a tad less motivated. 

The time of slow and tidious work that shows no progress is over. Now they are in the time where progress is seen and just a lot of bugfixing and tweaks left. Enough to not being able to set a date
 

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2 hours ago, danielprates said:

 

I feel a little weirded out that most (or many, at least) new things are coming in pics only, no videos. Makes me wonder if they are in such an advanced stage as it seems.

 

 

Pretty funny statement in the forum of IL-2, where you pretty rarely have videos of new stuff. It simply is a lot more additional work to produce a good looking video, instead of posting a few pics. And after all, their task is to produce a flight sim, not to go to Hollywood.

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3 hours ago, danielprates said:

I feel a little weirded out that most (or many, at least) new things are coming in pics only, no videos. Makes me wonder if they are in such an advanced stage as it seems.

 

I would actually go and take a look at the videos they are releasing. They've gone from about two videos a month to ten videos a month... https://www.youtube.com/user/TeamFusionMod/videos

 

It is still months before release (at least)... but I suspect that the release of stills is usually just a matter of saving time (as Yogiflight mentioned).

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Months before release????

 

Really????

 

That is truly disheartening.  I have kept CloD on my hard drive all this time in the hopes that TF would deliver a new theatre of operation, and a new experience to enjoy earlier war aircraft, and to revel in CloDs more realistic feeling of flying an aircraft that weighs several tons, and not a polyfoam structured, gossamer winged Rumpler Taube, as in the current iteration of IL2.  But months out?  CloD is already quite visually dated, and the video clips posted by TF so far only serve to confirm this.  Adding further months to the timeline is not going to work in their favor, as this only puts them further behind the Great Battles series in most other areas, other than the way the aircraft feel in flight.

 

Most disappointing.

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29 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Months before release????

 

Really????

 

Disclaimer: I'm just watching like you - I don't have any inside information. I'm just guessing here.

 

But I don't think the difference between 9 years and 9.5 years is going to make that much of a difference... it will be worth it for the polish. I would also point out that there is a difference between 'graphics' and 'art'... the choice of how techniques are used and the actual artistry make a huge difference. That said, DCS and BoX/Great Battles both have excellent artists as well as more resources to put into their engines.

 

The way I see it though, the question is simple: Do you want to fly in North Africa & the Mediterranean? Do you want to fly the aircraft offered (Beaufighter, Wellington, D.520 etc.)? Do you want to do so in a sim which has much higher fidelity than all previous sims (and even has some design features that the two more modern sim engines do not have)?

 

If one only cares about graphics there are a lot of first person shooters I could point people towards. My honest opinion is that we fly these sims for the joy of the feeling of flying and out of a love of history. The graphics are secondary (as beautiful as they are). We should encourage people to revel in flight and to learn about the stories of past aviators... and enjoy that... rather than worrying about whether every sim has water droplets on the windshields (or some other such nonsense).

 

Anyway, that is my two cents,

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As I said, I have kept it on my drive just because of the way the aircraft feel in flight.  And I want to fly the P40, and the Italian birds over the desert.  Be sure.

 

That said, it's taking a very long time, and we were told that TF became an officially recognised developer, and not just a loose band of modders.  To me, that raised the bar in terms of expectation.

 

Just sayin'.

 

But I think we need to get back on the topic of the C6, and run down the CloD tracks in another, more appropriate place.

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Very slightly OT.

After quite a long time I just re-read BOMBER a novel by Len Deighton & he has some excellent description on Ju-88 C-6 ops along with a build up of a Lancaster mission .It was written some time ago & probably full of small errors but it is still a great read by an excellent author.Igive it high marks and recommend it while we wait for either C-6.

( BTW We do have an excellent Bf-110 scripted mission/campaign here in GB’s that uses a lot of search light “ controlled sightings”, still fun if difficult, and I have hopes something like this will be made available at some stage with the C-6 over one of the new maps.Of course we’ll only have medium bombers to shoot at and no useful radar or ground direction ,but still...Maybe some day AI Lancs & Fortresses?)

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7 hours ago, danielprates said:

I feel a little weirded out that most (or many, at least) new things are coming in pics only, no videos. Makes me wonder if they are in such an advanced stage as it seems.

 

I don't think the lack of videos is any indication of a lack of progress.  I think it's more an indication of a lack of alpha or beta testers which in turn is merely an indication of the lack of actual players of CLoD.     

I wonder how many people here have actually tried making a video in CLoD?   The track recording, editing and playback functions in Cliffs are pretty buggy and badly designed.

Producing a decent video in Cliffs is no easy task.

The first and most important thing required is the patience of a saint as for starters the track recording arrangements have no rewind function.  Think about that:wacko:.

 

I can't quite remember now how many years the 'new map' has been in development.  Equally,  I can't quite remember how many years Team Fusion has given the impression that release is just around the corner.

 

The only thing we can be certain of is that sometime around the new year Team Fusion told Jason the release would be this year and were happy for him to announce this.

In Team Fusion timescales I would interpret this as meaning they really are at an advanced stage. 

 

There are still more that ten months of 'this year' to go.:salute:

 

 

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28 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

n't think the lack of videos is any indication of a lack of progress.  I think it's more an indication of a lack of alpha or beta testers which in turn is merely an indication of the lack of actual players of CLoD

 

I too imagine there is probably good reason. My own guess is that the pits are, say, 70% or 80% done, but showing them would start a stream of complaints and conjectures. They are probably right in doing so.

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As far as a release goes, we know the first chance for people outside of the team to play will be early May in Australia as the sim is to be shown there at a major sim show/airshow so I think it fair to say we are nearly there after all these years.;)

 

 

Still waiting patiently and getting even older.:lol:

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.:biggrin:

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It is pretty long walk to get there from Canada alas!

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Hi all,  great discussion here 👍

 

I am at the editing stage of our new video, showcasing the Ju 88 C-4 and the C-4 Late.

 

Here's a what I think is a brilliant screenshot of the C-4 Late from the upcoming video. 😃

 

Cheers,

 

Pattle

 

 

 

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You could put a photo of anything with wings over that desert scene and I'd be OK with it.  I'm hoping your project goes well.

 

I miss the Med.

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Please note TF will not be releasing the Ju-88C-6 with TF 5.0 as it doesn't fit the timeline.  We hope to release that model with TF 6.0 if we go there.

 

We will release the following models with TF 5.0:

 

- Ju-88C-2  -  short wingspan model based on Ju-88A-1 with Jumo 211D, (rated at max. 1200 PS) three additional forward firing 7.92mm MGs and one 20mm MG/FFM in the nose.  This was mostly used as a night intruder over British bomber bases during 1940/41.

 

- Ju-88C-2-Late  -  long wingspan model based on Ju-88A-5 with Jumo 211G, (unchanged hp from D model) three 7.92mm MGs and one 20mm MG/FFM but with front windscreen MG from bomber version removed.  Also includes dual upper rear gun positions.  This was used as a night fighter, night intruder and also a heavy day fighter in Maritime patrols over the Bay of Biscay, English Channel and Mediterranean.

 

- Ju-88C-4  -  long wingspan model with uprated Jumo 211F, (rated at max 1340 PS) with three 7.92mm MGs and one 20mm MG/FFM.  Also includes dual upper rear gun positions.  This was used as a night fighter, night intruder and also a heavy day fighter in Maritime patrols over the Bay of Biscay, English Channel and Mediterranean.

 

-Ju-88C-4-Late  -  long wingspan model with uprated Jumo 211F with three 7.92mm MG's, one nose 20mm MG/FFM and two 20mm MG/FFM's mounted in gondola pod.  Also includes dual upper rear gun positions, but the lower rear facing gun in gondola is removed.  This was used as a night fighter, night intruder and also a heavy day fighter in Maritime patrols over the Bay of Biscay, English Channel and Mediterranean.

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6 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I miss the Med.

 

When did you encounter it before? FS:SDOE didn't do a very good job, and I recall a SWOTL mod... there was a very incomplete set of aircraft and a map for Il-2 1946... but I can't say I've actually flown a Med sim.

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Lots of North Africa/Med campaigns and maps with the old IL2... We fought on Med maps for large online wars as well online.

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35 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Lots of North Africa/Med campaigns and maps with the old IL2... We fought on Med maps for large online wars as well as (offline).

Think I fixed your last word.  Yes there are lots of North Africa/Med campaigns with the old IL2.  I do remember one campaign that lasted 70 plus missions for the US starting in North Africa and ending in Southern Italy. 

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This video was just posted.It shows the less heavily armed Ju-88C-4 ( I guess its also coming with V.5) Its a nifty vid & shows off some of the nice modeling in the upcoming and long anticipated  Blitzv.5 as well.

 

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A quick look at the Ju-88C-6 in Il-2 1946 modded way up with S.A.S. 1946 "Grand Cirque " (https://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php ) massive improvements, confirms that no upward firing guns are available . I also include screenies of big target in this case the Halifax, available over Berlin as well:

 

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