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Forget all that, look at the bottom of the update.............. F-15 Eagle at last !!!!

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18 minutes ago, fubar_2_niner said:

Forget all that, look at the bottom of the update.............. F-15 Eagle at last !!!!

Lol. in 2 years, or more maybe

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People can never be even a bit pleased it seems !?

Everyone is shouting for PTO, everyone wants updated planes, maps ... in DCS and of course IL-2.

But no-one seems to be able to wait a bit longer and/or spent some extra $ to make it all happen ?

I am also really looking forward to the new A-10C and KA50 ... finally 100 percent compatible with the new 2.5.5+ DCS engine.

IMHO DCS as well is IL-2 is becoming a better experience each and every month and I, personally, am still willing to dedicate what it takes 

 to improve my enjoyment.

The free pacific map is probably the best decision ED has made in quite some time !

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4 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

 

The free pacific map is probably the best decision ED has made in quite some time !

 

Which isn't saying much - but sure.

 

 

In typical DCS fashion, they make an "almost" great decision.

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Sheese - no wonder now they continue to delete the DCS threads... it just turns into bashing. Even to the point of complaining about a free map LOL.

 

I will say this - we should all be very grateful that we have two great combat flight sims for our niche hobby, it is good for the genre and good for PC Gaming overall.

The less that get supported by the consumers, the less we will have. Not good to go backwards.

If not for them being successful along with space sims, we probably would not even have the boutique joystick hardware guys either.

 

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6 minutes ago, dburne said:

Sheese - no wonder now they continue to delete the DCS threads... it just turns into bashing. Even to the point of complaining about a free map LOL.

 

 

Free is all well and good, but ideally it also makes sense.

 

Please don't reduce valid observations to "bashing" - that's not what's happening.

In any case, a new map is great, especially a free one. Just wish they'd use their noggins a bit more.

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14 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Free is all well and good, but ideally it also makes sense.

 

Please don't reduce valid observations to "bashing" - that's not what's happening.

In any case, a new map is great, especially a free one. Just wish they'd use their noggins a bit more.

 

 

With all respect:



Which isn't saying much - but sure.

In typical DCS fashion, they make an "almost" great decision.

 

I am not sure I would refer to that as a valid observation. I would call that more of a personal opinion, which really is closer to bashing.

 

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8 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

 

With all respect:

 

 

 

I am not sure I would refer to that as a valid observation. I would call that more of a personal opinion, which really is closer to bashing.

 

 

With all respect, that also looks looks like personal opinion to me.  And given that this thread is about something DCS is proposing to do, why shouldn't we offer our opinions on its merits?

 

I suspect this thread might have gone better without the misleading WWII spin the OP put on the announcement. Though that's only my opinion...

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11 minutes ago, dburne said:

Sheese - no wonder now they continue to delete the DCS threads... it just turns into bashing. Even to the point of complaining about a free map LOL.

 

I will say this - we should all be very grateful that we have two great combat flight sims for our niche hobby, it is good for the genre and good for PC Gaming overall.

The less that get supported by the consumers, the less we will have. Not good to go backwards.

If not for them being successful along with space sims, we probably would not even have the boutique joystick hardware guys either.

 

I have looked and I have failed to see anyone complaining about a free map. 

I for one don't feel "greatful" why should I? "The less that gets supported the less we have"? I'm not supporting ED because they're full of shit. I'm not going to support a developer that doesnt support its paying customers. They release half assed products, under the beta banner, at full price and drag out the beta for years. They dont wait until one module is out of beta/released before they release the next one, then the next one. The Hornet customers are rightly pissed because the viper customers are getting long promised systems in the viper before the Hornet. Now there is a new A-10 in development? Where does that put the Hornet customers? I own neither of those modules but I fully support the folk who bought them, not ED. There are far too many folk who will jump to EDs defence. Enabling their BS, trampling on their fellow customers. 

Nah I wont support them and the less they develop the better for their existing customers.

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22 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

 

With all respect:

 

 

 

I am not sure I would refer to that as a valid observation. I would call that more of a personal opinion, which really is closer to bashing.

 

 

We’ll agree to disagree.

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2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

We’ll agree to disagree.

 

:good:

Agreed.

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4 hours ago, dburne said:

Sheese - no wonder now they continue to delete the DCS threads... it just turns into bashing. Even to the point of complaining about a free map LOL.

 

I will say this - we should all be very grateful that we have two great combat flight sims for our niche hobby, it is good for the genre and good for PC Gaming overall.

The less that get supported by the consumers, the less we will have. Not good to go backwards.

If not for them being successful along with space sims, we probably would not even have the boutique joystick hardware guys either.

 

Ahhh, and as we patiently await for MS Flight Simulator 2020 to "minimally" grace our SDD/M2 drive space as well!!!... that is an entirely new thread topic! 

 

o7

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4 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Free is all well and good, but ideally it also makes sense.

 

Please don't reduce valid observations to "bashing" - that's not what's happening.

In any case, a new map is great, especially a free one. Just wish they'd use their noggins a bit more.

 

I really don't see the problem. No one is forced to buy anything, and in fact you can - in the near future - fly two planes on two maps free of charge. That's a pretty decent taste test to see how you like it.

 

Admittedly they're trying to cover a lot of bases, that means we have the option to buy lots of different planes and helicopters from different eras an fly them on different maps. Fine by me. Like dburne said, we're better off with both IL2 and DCS. DCS offers big cities and night lighting and jets and airports and easy content creation, and IL2 offers a far superior WWII flightsim experience.

 

As far as "Just wish they'd use their noggins a bit more", that can be applied in both directions depending on who is speaking.

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12 hours ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

The Hornet customers are rightly pissed because the viper customers are getting long promised systems in the viper before the Hornet.... 

Afaik those promised systems will end up in the release version. I too buy Early in the EA period, but if I was planning to be upset about it not fully as hoped for I would simply wait a few years and then buy the modules (almost) feature complete at... half price or less. Same goes for il-2! 

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4 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

Afaik those promised systems will end up in the release version. I too buy Early in the EA period, but if I was planning to be upset about it not fully as hoped for I would simply wait a few years and then buy the modules (almost) feature complete at... half price or less. Same goes for il-2! 

 

I go for the sales with DCS. $70 for one plane is just too much. I checked my Steam account and I bought everything on sale except for the Persian Gulf and Nevada maps. $66 each, but I am a slut for new maps.

 

I hope BOX starts pimping out new maps. I'm buying. Make a map of the North Pole, I'll buy it. :cool:

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23 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

$70 for one plane is just too much

Maybe ...

But since DCS World will now feature 2 free maps, thus if you buy just one module, like FC3 or one study-module, you already have a complete sim/game.

As you write, indeed, most DCS planes go on sale for a mere 25 USD.

IL-2 BOS, BOM, BOK are even cheaper (too cheap in fact :-)).

My favourite sims -those that still reside on my PC SSDs and as a whole- costed me between 1000 and 2000 USD.

Not a lot if I look at the cost of all other 'gaming' software JUNK on Steam e.g. !  

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1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

Maybe ...

But since DCS World will now feature 2 free maps, thus if you buy just one module, like FC3 or one study-module, you already have a complete sim/game.

As you write, indeed, most DCS planes go on sale for a mere 25 USD.

IL-2 BOS, BOM, BOK are even cheaper (too cheap in fact :-)).

My favourite sims -those that still reside on my PC SSDs and as a whole- costed me between 1000 and 2000 USD.

Not a lot if I look at the cost of all other 'gaming' software JUNK on Steam e.g. !  

 

I should have said its "too much for me". ;)

 

I just bought the Harrier on sale for $45, that's as much as I've spent on a DCS plane. But it's a lot of fun. As for IL2, I think the collector plane prices are very reasonable.

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Even a free map is wrong in this site. 
It takes a great deal of pretending and make do attitude flying ww 2 in DCS. And some attributes on some modules are questionable.  But truth be told after some hours flying in my favorite us planes ( P 40, P 47 and P. 38) in GB I ended up in the one I never really cared for. The P 51. 
P 38 got two reliable and pretty strong allisons but throw a nail at the plane and it loose all controls. P 47 engine made of glass. 
So it takes for me even more pretending and make do attitude flying GB in those planes. I never believed it would. Those flying DCS is frustrated by lets say the “mess” of modules. 
But it is still many very good reason for them to fly DCS. I am happy for those satisfied flying only GB, good for you. I need a healthy dose of MI 8 to get over my frustration in GB myself. 
Whatever rocks your boat. 

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Since other DCS thread is gone, I'll post it here. Seems like a lot of fun!
 

 

Tracers look amazing. I wish we had them in IL-2 instead of those cartoonish lazer beams.

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On 1/3/2020 at 4:53 PM, WindWpn said:

DCS announced upcoming release of new free Mariana Islands Map!  Will this set DCS as frontrunner for WWII carrier operations in high fidelity VR experiences?!  I am very much looking forward to seeing where this goes, and perhaps it may bump IL2 efforts to see which development studio makes first offerings of WWII carrier based scenarios...unseen since IL2 Pacific Fighters/1946!

Link to the Announcement

So what you're saying is that DCS is going to be doing a WW2 Pacific map with carriers and planes from the US and Japanese forces??? AWESOME!!!

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11 minutes ago, Danziger said:

So what you're saying is that DCS is going to be doing a WW2 Pacific map with carriers and planes from the US and Japanese forces??? AWESOME!!!

Yes that what he said to mislead everyone.

The truth is that no, that's not what's happening. But you can choose to imagine that.

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On 1/3/2020 at 10:31 PM, Gambit21 said:

 

Wouldn't be DCS if it was cohesive and indicative of proper time and resource management. 

OF COURSE it doesn't match the WWII birds.

 

Zeke vs Corsair, Rumble Over Nevada - coming soon.

Bring your wallet, in case you bail over casino!

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1 hour ago, Jade_Monkey said:

Yes that what he said to mislead everyone.

The truth is that no, that's not what's happening. But you can choose to imagine that.

So what you are saying is that the OP is trying to intentionally mislead people in order to bait them into clicking on his topic? DCS is not really making a WW2 Pacific expansion with carriers and planes from the US and Japanese forces?

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Free map...i like free maps!

 

Carrier, Corsair and AI Zero in the works so i guess proper pto map and pto assets will be released too, eventually.

It will take time but as with Normandy it will SLOWLY form a bigger picture.

P51, Spit, K4, Dora and A8 released.

P47, 262, Mossie and SoW in the works dcs ww2 could be a nice place to be.

 

But with single pto plane (corsair) i'll wait with purchase until they create decent amount of content to make it playable.

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all these various fake news about a pacific theater being made seems to me like trying to influence devs

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as a free map, Marianas actually makes sense, easy to build, FPS friendly, but doubtful this has anything to do with WW2.

 

The current main DCS project (to the extent there is a focus) is on modern carrier ops with the F-18. Not everyone is prepared to buy the Persian Gulf map, so a free map is needed. Guam is the principal USN and USAF base in the western pacific and the closest one to China, so would be the focus of air and or naval activity in the event of a hypothetical (non nuclear) war between USA and China and/or Russia. 

 

The modern Marianas map will be perfect for carrier ops, training and attacking Chinese/Russian naval/air assets.

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8 hours ago, raaaid said:

all these various fake news about a pacific theater being made seems to me like trying to influence devs

No fake news!

This map is not intended for ww2 pto but Corsair and ww2 carrier are in development as well Zero (AI).

There is another ww2 map in development but isn't revealed yet.

From Normandy example and how it's forming regarding content i'm quite sure DCS PTO will go same way.....but it'll take time....a lot of time!

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Apparently it will be Armageddon when the DCS Corsair comes out.

 

The pedants and puritans think a plane coming out that does not have a pre-existing perfectly historical map to go with it will bankrupt the flightsim industry. Which is odd because a lot of people, including me, would buy a Corsair.

 

Strange how giving a business money is bad for their business.

 

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4 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

The pedants and puritans think a plane coming out that does not have a pre-existing perfectly historical map to go with it will bankrupt the flightsim industry.

 

 

Can you provide a link to anyone actually saying that?

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10 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Can you provide a link to anyone actually saying that?

 

Not to you. :coffee:

 

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56 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Apparently it will be Armageddon when the DCS Corsair comes out.

 

Nah, you guys will have fun...I'm happy for you.

 

Fly an airshow in Vegas, buzz the Strip, go sight-seeing over Normandy, practice formation flying with Spitfires or some Hueys, fly another Air Show in Guam and take part in a Legacy Flight with an F-18, then park next to the F-16's and B-52's stationed there.

What's not to like?

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6 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Nah, you guys will have fun...I'm happy for you.

 

Fly an airshow in Vegas, buzz the Strip, go sight-seeing over Normandy, practice formation flying with Spitfires or some Hueys, fly another Air Show in Guam and take part in a Legacy Flight with an F-18, then park next to the F-16's and B-52's stationed there.

What's not to like?

Lol.  It probably will be like that for most users. Almost certainly me😀

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I actually think a fully rendered airshow, with crowd, statics displays etc is the ticket.

Then you can fly anything and it works.

 

Then code the AI F-16's to fly the T-birds show, or the F-18 to fly the Angels show, then you get to fly slot or solo.

That would be a blast.

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12 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Nah, you guys will have fun...I'm happy for you.

 

Fly an airshow in Vegas, buzz the Strip, go sight-seeing over Normandy, practice formation flying with Spitfires or some Hueys, fly another Air Show in Guam and take part in a Legacy Flight with an F-18, then park next to the F-16's and B-52's stationed there.

What's not to like?

 

 

:drinks:

 

 

Just now, Gambit21 said:

I actually think a fully rendered airshow, with crowd, statics displays etc is the ticket.

Then you can fly anything and it works.

 

Then code the AI F-16's to fly the T-birds show, or the F-18 to fly the Angels show, then you get to fly slot or solo.

That would be a blast.

 

FS2004 had an airshow, didn't it?

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4 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

or the F-18 to fly the Angels show, then you get to fly slot or solo.

That would be a blast.

 

Only for one more year.  Then DCS will have to release the Rhino.

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1 minute ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Only for one more year.  Then DCS will have to release the Rhino.

 

Yeah - I'm curious about that.

Took them forever to switch...I'll have to find a way to see that show...but not going anywhere near Sea Fair in Seattle...no thank you.

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First Rhino show is supposed to be at NAS Jax.  But the 2021 schedule has been removed from the BA website.  I'm not sure if that means anything.  

11 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Yeah - I'm curious about that.

Took them forever to switch...I'll have to find a way to see that show...but not going anywhere near Sea Fair in Seattle...no thank you.

 

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9 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

Can you provide a link to anyone actually saying that?

If you are on other groups and sites. You would know that Corsair no matter version is about as popular as pixels in a computer ever can be. 
People with any knowledge to ED knows that whatever said on their part do not mean it going to happened. When you press buy button you know you got the corsair. But you do not know if anything else related to pacific will. You might get offered a Cessna next

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