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19 minutes ago, Sgt_Joch said:

P-38s, there were 3 groups operating them in 9th AF on D-Day, they flew a variety of missions, AG, fighter sweeps, bomber escort, etc. 2 were gradually converted to P-51s and P-47s, but one group flew P-38s al the way to VE-day. Nothing really wrong with P-38s as you see in game, just that P-47s or P-51s were better in certain aspects.

 

And another 3 in the 8th AF, of which two were re-equipped with P-51s in July (20th and 55th FGs) and one that was re-equipped with P-51s in September (479th FG).

With MX-support, logistics and parts getting less and less, I think it's safe to assume that both the 367th and the 370th FGs had to transition to other aircraft, so that the last (474th FG) could continue flying P-38s.

 

In terms of it's use as fighter-bomber, it's nice to shed some perspective:

It can carry 4000lbs of bombs (just slightly less than what a Ju 88A-4 can carry externally), brings 4 cal50s and a 20mm gun and does have 410gal of internal fuel to play with.

It also climbs pretty well for such a large and heavy airplane and it can turn pretty well, too. The P-38's external bomload is a whole 1500lbs more than what the Jug can carry.

It will go faster and climb quicker with the bombs, too.

 

It does have it's drawbacks, for sure. I just think that it's capabilities are pretty amazing.

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might have to fly on TAW sometime then i guess especially when they add the ju88c6

 

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What i enjoy about the bf110 is that its quite good for taking out a pe2 or a havoc without being torn apart by the AI gunners in just a few seconds but

what do you guys think about the ju88c6 will it perform better than the normal ju88 and will it be able to pose a threat to medium/heavy bombers or is it going to be too slow to catch up?

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I am completely exyted  to have the JU-88C6 in the game !😊😲

 

They fought hard battles over the Bay against Beaufighters,  Mosquitos, Liberators and Sunderlands.

 

While, because of the limitations of the game engine,  there is no hope to fly Libs and Sunderlands in the game     I still hope to fly one fine day  Beaufighters too !! 😉

 

Cheers

 

Doc

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5 hours ago, jann3man said:

might have to fly on TAW sometime then i guess especially when they add the ju88c6

 

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What i enjoy about the bf110 is that its quite good for taking out a pe2 or a havoc without being torn apart by the AI gunners in just a few seconds but

what do you guys think about the ju88c6 will it perform better than the normal ju88 and will it be able to pose a threat to medium/heavy bombers or is it going to be too slow to catch up?

it will be not much faster than a Ju88A. 500-510km/h without ETC under the wings. IF there will be a "no gondola" modification ad 20-30km/h.

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9 hours ago, Docholiday said:

I am completely exyted  to have the JU-88C6 in the game !😊😲

 

They fought hard battles over the Bay against Beaufighters,  Mosquitos, Liberators and Sunderlands.

 

While, because of the limitations of the game engine,  there is no hope to fly Libs and Sunderlands in the game     I still hope to fly one fine day  Beaufighters too !! 😉

 

Cheers

 

Doc

 

Maybe they'll port the Felixstowe :) 

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I'm happy about Me 410, Ju-88C6 and Mosquito

It has most value to me of all expansions 🥰

 

I feel so privileged 😊

 

 

If i have to think something i would like to have is Pe-3 so i would fly on Soviet Side too.

 

 

 

 

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On 12/27/2019 at 11:30 PM, III/JG53Frankyboy said:

it will be not much faster than a Ju88A. 500-510km/h without ETC under the wings. IF there will be a "no gondola" modification ad 20-30km/h.

 

I have been doing a little research as well and sadly I dont think we will get the bmw engines? I just couldnt find much figures what can we expect speed/flying wise? The metal nose looks more aerodynamic but there is also added weight from armor but removal of bomb racks, would this improve the airplane flying characteristics much?

 

And what about the enemy bombers what is the difference in airspeed going to be?

 

Edit: could we also expect some ground attack modifications? I know they used some configurations like twin 37 cannons and single 50 and even an single 75 in the ju88

 

I just did some research myself and i think its going to be a great adittion to the ostfront but i feel like for the normandy campaign a later model would have been better fitting its only going to be able to catch up with the c47 the G6 model had a much better top speed and would be able to match the mosquito performance wise.

 

Anyway still think its going to be a good addition and a fun plane to fly

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I dont really care about witch engine it got. Because it really wont help you in any way when flying MP. 
It have no real use compared to the A 4. It a cool  novelty people like me will use and loose their virtual life in. 
It is no task this can do in this game with our relative small maps that other planes wont do better. I love it. 
 

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49 minutes ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

I dont really care about witch engine it got. Because it really wont help you in any way when flying MP. 
It have no real use compared to the A 4. It a cool  novelty people like me will use and loose their virtual life in. 
It is no task this can do in this game with our relative small maps that other planes wont do better. I love it. 
 

I guess you are right about that but i mostly fly the me110 because im not the best pilot its a sturdy plane and i like to hunt down bombers even though i have had succes bouncing fighters with it.

 

I look at the ju88c6 as an even sturdier plane which should be decent at shooting down bombers, I just think it will lack speed for hunting down the medium bombers.

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Just now, jann3man said:

I guess you are right about that but i mostly fly the me110 because im not the best pilot its a sturdy plane and i like to hunt down bombers even though i have had succes bouncing fighters with it.

 

I look at the ju88c6 as an even sturdier plane which should be decent at shooting down bombers, I just think it will lack speed for hunting down the medium bombers.

Well I do not oppose better engines. Rather welcome it. In your perspective it is essential.
But in order to survive such an attack on a bomber with turret (ai gunners with dual cal 50) 

With the accuracy one can expect I guess you need to fly high and bounce them from above anyway 

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14 minutes ago, jann3man said:

should be decent at shooting down bombers, I just think it will lack speed for hunting down the medium bombers.

 

Indeed I think that, historically, it was intended to counter heavier planes than the ones we currently have. 

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1 hour ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

 
It is no task this can do in this game with our relative small maps that other planes wont do better. I love it. 
 

That's the spirit! It would be so boring if people in MP just flew whatever plane they thought was the 'best'.

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sometimes I like to fly the underdog, thats why ive always flown Allied. :)

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3 hours ago, jann3man said:

 

I have been doing a little research as well and sadly I dont think we will get the bmw engines? I just couldnt find much figures what can we expect speed/flying wise? The metal nose looks more aerodynamic but there is also added weight from armor but removal of bomb racks, would this improve the airplane flying characteristics much?

 

And what about the enemy bombers what is the difference in airspeed going to be?

 

Edit: could we also expect some ground attack modifications? I know they used some configurations like twin 37 cannons and single 50 and even an single 75 in the ju88

 

I just did some research myself and i think its going to be a great adittion to the ostfront but i feel like for the normandy campaign a later model would have been better fitting its only going to be able to catch up with the c47 the G6 model had a much better top speed and would be able to match the mosquito performance wise.

 

Anyway still think its going to be a good addition and a fun plane to fly

a C-6 is a C-6.

All you described are different Ju88 versions, R & P (and C-5) to name it

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10 hours ago, jann3man said:

I have been doing a little research as well and sadly I dont think we will get the bmw engines? I just couldnt find much figures what can we expect speed/flying wise? The metal nose looks more aerodynamic but there is also added weight from armor but removal of bomb racks, would this improve the airplane flying characteristics much?

 

And what about the enemy bombers what is the difference in airspeed going to be?

 

The B-25 and the B-26 can be caught by it (50 km/h speed advantage). The A-20, Mosquito and the Pe-2 will be immune.

 

The Beaufighter could be caught by it (a good opponent from Coastal Command). In the East, the mass produced Russian Il-4 bomber is a good candidate as a target. Both of  those  could be good additions for a Ju-88C pilot to fight.

 

A Wellington (withdrawn in 1942) or a Lancaster would be good too as we could play at being a night fighter.

 

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11 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

The B-25 and the B-26 can be caught by it (50 km/h speed advantage). The A-20, Mosquito and the Pe-2 will be immune.

 

The Beaufighter could be caught by it (a good opponent from Coastal Command). In the East, the mass produced Russian Il-4 bomber is a good candidate as a target. Both of  those  could be good additions for a Ju-88C pilot to fight.

 

A Wellington (withdrawn in 1942) or a Lancaster would be good too as we could play at being a night fighter.

 

 yeah but none of those plane are in the game as of now and none of those are being developed?

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31 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

The B-25 and the B-26 can be caught by it (50 km/h speed advantage). The A-20, Mosquito and the Pe-2 will be immune.

 

OK, but what then, flying a large, not too manouverable target with one 20mm and three small machineguns, attacking bombers with .50cal defensive guns?

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10 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

OK, but what then, flying a large, not too manouverable target with one 20mm and three small machineguns, attacking bombers with .50cal defensive guns?

Yes is it not exiting 🤗

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20 minutes ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

Yes is it not exiting 🤗

Hahah im actually excited about it too, also the pilot is pretty well protected theres a 12mm steel plate in front and back and pretty thick armored glass.

 

And i believe the c6 is upgunned with mg131 defensive guns or dual belt feds.

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39 minutes ago, Yogiflight said:

OK, but what then, flying a large, not too manouverable target with one 20mm and three small machineguns, attacking bombers with .50cal defensive guns?

3 x 20mm ☺️

at least with the gondola in place.

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If the addition of this plane makes it so that the modification for the MG-131 also becomes available for the A4, I'll be happy with it.

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2 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

OK, but what then, flying a large, not too manouverable target with one 20mm and three small machineguns, attacking bombers with .50cal defensive guns?

 

You've just got to be a better shot ;)

 

2 hours ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

Yes is it not exiting 🤗

 

What do you mean? It sounds extremely exciting... every shot matters... the enemy stands more of a chance... cue drama!

 

Did you try my proposed Fw-58 experiment (on page 2 I think)?

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28 minutes ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

It is going to happen. They save it for another pack

 

I kind-of feel like starting a little debate about Ju-188 vs. Do-217E vs. Do-217K vs. He-177 ;) 

Let the fans go at each other 😄

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2 hours ago, No.322_LuseKofte said:

It is going to happen. They save it for another pack

 

I sure hope so.

 

HAPPY NEW YEAR  $@^#&#,#CHES!!!

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4 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

Pretty funny statement in the forum of IL-2, where you pretty rarely have videos of new stuff. It simply is a lot more additional work to produce a good looking video, instead of posting a few pics. And after all, their task is to produce a flight sim, not to go to Hollywood.

 

3 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

I would actually go and take a look at the videos they are releasing. They've gone from about two videos a month to ten videos a month... https://www.youtube.com/user/TeamFusionMod/videos

 

It is still months before release (at least)... but I suspect that the release of stills is usually just a matter of saving time (as Yogiflight mentioned).

 

Holster your revolvers, gentleman! I am just trying to have some small(ish) talk about a small point. Not every subject has to become a fight. "A LITTLE" weirded out means... well ,"a little", whereas you responses makes it look like I was throwing a hissy-fit. Jeeebus.

 

Yogi, if it was "pretty funny", I don't know, we seem to have different senses of humour. And thanks Aviminus for the kind tip, I do constantly check out the videos released on their channel, which I subscribe actually. It has not escaped me that most videos are indeed pretty good videos, and only a few ones seem to restrain to stills, probably for good reasons (remember? ... "a little" weirded out?). If my unpretentious comment made you guys sooo triggered, my most abject apologies!

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I wasn't concerned - just pointing out that they have a lot of content coming out these days (worth enjoying).

 

P.S. The term 'triggered' originally referred to serious trauma and PTSD (that is also how it was originally used in the college context as well).

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On 12/15/2019 at 7:17 PM, danielprates said:

Fighters developed out of twin-engine medium bombers, like the do217K or the Blenheim fighter, or the Mosquito for that matter. We are only now getting this very "niche" category of planes, which were important in their time but are insofar badly represented in flight sims (and none at all in this game).

 

I agree those are very interesting and historically more important than sims usually give them credit for. I am glad we get one of them. And if we had long range escort and patrol missions over the Atlantic, I'd be ecstatic.

Still, as far as heavy-heavy fighters go, the Ju 88 C6a seems poorly armed. Since you mentioned it: a Do 217 fighter would be more fun for me simply because there are more guns.

 

Anyway, I am glad we get the Ju 88 fighter, it is better than no heavy-heavy (prop*) fighter. And I am happy for the fans who want it.

 

* the Magirusbombe gun pod was used with the (non-nightfighter) recon Ar 234 in combat, even if rarely so. I hope we get it.

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On 2/21/2020 at 10:23 AM, FliegerAD said:

 

 

Still, as far as heavy-heavy fighters go, the Ju 88 C6a seems poorly armed. Since you mentioned it: a Do 217 fighter would be more fun for me simply because there are more guns.

 

Anyway, I am glad we get the Ju 88 fighter, it is better than no heavy-heavy (prop*) fighter. And I am happy for the fans who want it.

 

* the Magirusbombe gun pod was used with the (non-nightfighter) recon Ar 234 in combat, even if rarely so. I hope we get it.

From what i've read the Do217 was under-powered compared to the 88,and may I add the C-6 was no wimp when it came to being well-armed: ( image thanks to ATAG)

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1 hour ago, Blitzen said:

and may I add the C-6 was no wimp when it came to being well-armed

 

If only those weapons were all forward mounted and would not require the Bola... Again, don't get me wrong, I like the Ju 88 like the next enthusiast. The C6 was good at what it was supposed to do, we just cannot do that very well in game.

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Just noticed that earlier I wrote "do217K" when I meant "J".

 

The dornier had 4 cannons and 4 mgs, whereas the ju88c had what, 3 cannons and one mg? So the dornier was that much more powerful. But you can't help thinking, though, the performance impact that all that extra weight brought along. IIRC the do217J was only used as a night fighter, the ju88c was much more versatile.

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1 minute ago, danielprates said:

Just noticed that earlier I wrote "do217K

I was perfectly happy with K

these big fighter versions of bombers have no job to do in this sim. 
I rather have late war level bomber. 

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15 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

I was perfectly happy with K

these big fighter versions of bombers have no job to do in this sim. 
I rather have late war level bomber. 

 

Don't get me started. The 111 and the 88 are great, but it would be just wonderful to fly the do15, do17, do217.... iirc no sim modelled them yet, it would be refreshing. The do217 in particular was a great, competent plane.

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On 12/28/2019 at 2:37 PM, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Oh Please Yes. The Gunship to End all Gunships.

 

I always thought the Felixstowe needed a pirate flag...

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32 minutes ago, danielprates said:

The do217 in particular was a great, competent plane.

 

Indeed. It is kind of strange how often the Dorniers were overlooked. The Do 217 e.g. would have a good place in a Normandy '44 scenario, as well as in other future modules, and it could have introduced guided munitions.

 

However it has to be admitted that this aircraft presumably requires a lot of resources to model properly. The Ju 88 C6 is a more cost effective choice.

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6 minutes ago, FliegerAD said:

 

 

However it has to be admitted that this aircraft presumably requires a lot of resources to model properly. The Ju 88 C6 is a more cost effective choice.

 

Yep. Besides, as with every other plane, they only model what can be accurately researched. Does any 217s even exist today?

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1 hour ago, FliegerAD said:

 

Indeed. It is kind of strange how often the Dorniers were overlooked. The Do 217 e.g. would have a good place in a Normandy '44 scenario, as well as in other future modules, and it could have introduced guided munitions.

 

However it has to be admitted that this aircraft presumably requires a lot of resources to model properly. The Ju 88 C6 is a more cost effective choice.

 

The Do-217 production is split between bomb and missile carriers, two major types of crew compartment, a few different engines... it is hard to get a really representative aircraft. It also had some fairly advanced systems which could take more work to model (The Ju-188 might be simpler). There are also no intact surviving examples.

 

I'd personally like a Do-217 due to the high wingloading (it is fun to fly in modded versions of Il-2).

 

As for Do-17 - I think the He-111 is iconic... and the Ju-88 is higher performance (and can do some dive bombing). The Do-17 was quite marginal, even though it was a good diver and pretty durable. It also had the benefit of having the bombs stored facing forwards - which allowed low level attacks that the early He-111 and Ju-88 with their vertically stowed internal bombs were not suited to... but that hasn't been enough to get someone to model a flyable one since Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain

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12 hours ago, danielprates said:

 

Don't get me started. The 111 and the 88 are great, but it would be just wonderful to fly the do15, do17, do217.... iirc no sim modelled them yet, it would be refreshing. The do217 in particular was a great, competent plane.

Top of my list is early war secondly late war bombers like 

DO 217k.              B 26

HE 177.                P 61

JU 188.                B 25 J

 

Finnish continuous war/ Winter war

DO 17.                 SB 2

SB 2.                    PE 8

Blenheim             IL DB 3

 

Latter is my # 1     

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1 hour ago, LuseKofte said:

Top of my list is early war secondly late war bombers like 

DO 217k.              B 26

HE 177.                P 61

JU 188.                B 25 J

 

Finnish continuous war/ Winter war

DO 17.                 SB 2

SB 2.                    PE 8

Blenheim             IL DB 3

 

Latter is my # 1     

 

Throw in the il4 into the list and it matches mine. And if MTO happens (or if CloD expands its plane set and/or time frame) also the Beaufort.

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