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So we are going to get the Channel map . With that and hopefully the admin is reading this post i kindly request you to consider developing as a second stage add on some basic aircraft and objects going back to the late 30's and early 40's enabling us to reenact some of the most important and iconic battles in history . Namely the Spit 1 the Emil 4 and so on . The Hurricane is already on its way  just needs to be an MK1 .

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Just now, dog1 said:

So we are going to get the Channel map . With that and hopefully the admin is reading this post i kindly request you to consider developing as a second stage add on some basic aircraft and objects going back to the late 30's and early 40's enabling us to reenact some of the most important and iconic battles in history . Namely the Spit 1 the Emil 4 and so on . The Hurricane is already on its way  just needs to be an MK1 .

Sorry. If you want D-Day get, Battle of Normandy; if you want Battle of Britain and BoB planes, get IL-2 Cliffs of Dover Blitz. Currently costs $7 CDN on Steam.

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I purchased COD 3 years ago for 5 USD and deleted it at Steam a weeck later  and i dont feel sorry at all . IT SHOULD NOT BE EVEN AVAILABLE FOR FREE  I am talking about this sim . 

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Having played both, I think they should redo it, as this version of IL2 has made the other version obsolete.  Can’t even play it because this version is so much better.  With the plane set announced and the map given, and the existing planes, making the BOB planes and selling them would be profitable and less work for the dev team.

 

Besides, the series rebranded to “Great Battles”, which must surely include the Battle of Britain. 

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27 minutes ago, dog1 said:

Novice

I purchased COD 3 years ago for 5 USD and deleted it at Steam a weeck later  and i dont feel sorry at all .


CloD has been patched and updated significantly since you last played it. I recommend that you give it another look.

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Yes it only takes 3-4 more aircraft from that period , we have everything else . The developers have the basics anyway , the Hurricane is on the way .  They only need to make  the Emil 4 and spit 1  .  What a huge addition that would be to our game play . Dog fighting over the coast , bombing the coastal airfields and ships  in the early days  etc etc .

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1 hour ago, dog1 said:

Novice

I purchased COD 3 years ago for 5 USD and deleted it at Steam a weeck later  and i dont feel sorry at all . IT SHOULD NOT BE EVEN AVAILABLE FOR FREE  I am talking about this sim . 

 

1 hour ago, [SG.27/1]Fowler said:

Having played both, I think they should redo it, as this version of IL2 has made the other version obsolete.  Can’t even play it because this version is so much better. 

You guys are likely talking about the original Cliffs of Dover which 1C Maddox released as a buggy mess. Not the current Blitz edition. So much has changed in the Blitz edition that has made CloD better than the original. The devs have released instalments for IL-2 Great Battles, while TFS has yet the release the second instalment for Cliffs of Dover. That’s equivalent to Battle of Moscow, the second instalment of IL-2 GBs. If IL-2 GBs ended after BOM, imagine what a mistake that would have been. Think of what this game was like back before BOM was released. It was certainly very different back then, and not just the number of planes, maps, and tanks. Also, there’s no point in saying that a game (CloD Blitz) should end when you haven’t even played it.

 

How is CloD obsolete? I don’t think it’s obsolete as the game engine for this game is older than the one for CloD and there’s some suggestion by people who play BOTH games that the visuals in CloD are better. IMO, CloD is better than IL-2 GBs. Also, we haven’t even seen the content that’s planned for TF 5.0 which is planned to go into Beta testing on December 1st 2019. So there’s no real point in suggesting that Cliffs of Dover should end. I would recommend that you guys get the Blitz edition and see what’s it like. Not playing a few hours, but at least 10 hours. I think people should also understand that things in IL-2 GBs like VR took several years to implement into this game. 

 

Below is an image for the clouds planned in TF 5.0.image.png.f71478bada0f1c6a2570fbcbe1b7e0f7.png

 

1 hour ago, [SG.27/1]Fowler said:

With the plane set announced and the map given, and the existing planes, making the BOB planes and selling them would be profitable and less work for the dev team.

 

Besides, the series rebranded to “Great Battles”, which must surely include the Battle of Britain.

Yeah well here’s the thing, the game engine for IL-2 GBs can’t handle large amounts of aircraft so basically you would be flying a Spitfire or Hurricane against 8 He 111s with likely no fighter escort. Updating the game engine to handle large amounts of aircraft isn’t something that can happen overnight or in a short time frame. Also, Jason stated that he has no intention of doing the Battle of Britain for IL-2 GBs. 

 

If if you guys want, you can hop in a Spitfire Mk.Vb, a Hurricane Mk.II and fly against a He-111H-6, Ju-88A-4, Bf 109E-7, Ju-87D-3, and Bf 110E-2 on the BON map when it’s released. That’s about the closest your going to get to the Battle of Britain in IL-2 GBs.

 

P.S. Probably More people in the world have heard of Battle of Britain, Pearl Harbour, Midway, Kursk, D-Day, Hiroshima, than most of the battles portrayed in this game.

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

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Regarding specifically a Battle of Britain within the current GBS engine framework - can it do many large flights of bombers simultaneously (to the extent necessary for a BOB)? --- I believe it is a limitation of the current engine if I have read or inferred correctly over time -- and if so, I would probably take that idea off the table currently regardless of any positive or negative feelings towards CLOD Blitz. Though I think you could see some earlier aircraft eventually being added for the opportunity of rhubarb missions and the like -- lots of possibilities for the future - heck, they could even do a Westland Whirlwind for something different in this regard -- or do a Battle of France, etc. I think the door is going to be wide open in the future for lots of "mini-campaigns" utilizing already present aircraft with smaller packages of new add-on planes (and not needing to throw in a completely new map). 

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1 hour ago, Novice-Flyer said:

 

You guys are likely talking about the original Cliffs of Dover which 1C Maddox released as a buggy mess.

 

 

 

 

I'm not.  I updated to the latest version.  Almost everything about the GB series is better.

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Would love BoB scenarios and missions, both in SP and MP.

Don't care if it's semi-historical with planeset.

I hope in MP it will be a thing!

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3 hours ago, [Pb]Cybermat47 said:


CloD has been patched and updated significantly since you last played it. I recommend that you give it another look.

 

Rot starts from the top. The game although salvaged somewhat is still ridden with flaws and limitations.

 

Just look at those planes still juddering and shaking after engine start. And the water coolers don’t even have a basic boil over valve modelled- you exceed water temperature for a split second and the plane is doomed with ‘water radiator perforated’. Engine startup completely unrealistic- click fuel cock on and then spin up the motor. You can’t fix that level of rot.

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2 hours ago, dog1 said:

Yes it only takes 3-4 more aircraft from that period , we have everything else . The developers have the basics anyway , the Hurricane is on the way .  They only need to make  the Emil 4 and spit 1

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

 

No early he111, no early ju88, no ju87B2, no bf110C, no Do17, no wellington, no Blenheim. Pretty much basic set, how is that ONLY 3-4 planes? Or your idea of battle of Britain is just bf109 and spitfire/hurricane flying around and shooting each other?

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"IL-2 Sturmovik: 1946" = First generation game engine (since 2001)

 

"IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover" = Second generation game engine (since 2011)

 

"IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles" = Third generation game engine (since 2013, improved in 2017)

 

The SECOND generation (yes, "Cliffs of Dover") is in my opinion, the best simulator in the all-time IL-2 Sturmovik series. Excellent flight model, amazing 3D-modelled planes, even more spectacular when aircraft get damaged… but poor development when it comes to the number of periods ands maps. AND, of course, the legendary bugs… BUT, after years of having uninstalled my "Cliffs of Dover" boxed set, I went back to that game via BLITZ last Week. A few flights were sufficient enough to make me think that the more serious problems in that game have been fixed. On top of that, a North-African map is in the works… and this is why "Great Battles" (GB) will not go into Britain 1940 or African maps : GB would clash with "Cliffs of Dover BLITZ".

 

1C, if I correctly understood the situation, aims to keep as long as possible all three generations of "IL-2 Sturmovik" simulators. Even if the bulk of the WWII flight sim fans is with "Great Battles", every IL-2 game is regularly fed by its own community and own developers.

 

 

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Would love to see BOB with this Series. The planeset would not be the problem. Just do them. But with the current limitations of the engine one would run in the same problems as with strategic bombing: no large-scale formations possible currently. And there is London and the Chain-home system to be implemented. No trivial task. Early "Kanalkampf" (Channelbattles) would be possible. But to be honest, those are more on the boring side of gameplay. I own Blitz since the early days and find it cumbersome and outdated. Just my opinion and nothing personal.

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5 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

 

You guys are likely talking about the original Cliffs of Dover which 1C Maddox released as a buggy mess. Not the current Blitz edition. 

 

 

I'm not! Coming from IL-2 1946 I became a big supporter of CoD. But living with so many shortcomings and with the slow progress of the sim I found disgusting. I then tried the BoX series. When the cliffs of Dover Blitz came, I updated the game again. 2 weeks ago I updated to V4.57 investing a lot of time with re-mapping my HW. I once again tried it out for a full week (approx. 15h). CoD does not come close to BoX. FM, DM, GUI, game engine, plane set, variety of theatres and graphics are now much more advanced at BoX. Not to speak of VR.

For me, CoD is obsolete and 1CGS should not take any consideration on BoB or any other MTO projects and tackle them as soon as possible.

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I find only VR support to be better myself. I like both for their qualities and overlook as best I can stuff I am not too fond of. 
 

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1 minute ago, hirondo said:

 

For me, CoD is obsolete and 1CGS should not take any consideration on BoB or any other MTO projects and tackle them as soon as possible.

 

The proof in the pudding will be CoD 5.0 aka Tobruk. If that flies commercially it will deal with Med and Italy. If not BoX could take over. We aren´t seeing any new BoX release before BoN is out of the door in 2021/22 anyways. So there is still plenty of time for the publisher to decide what to come after BoN and CoD. Might be 1944/45 Poland module, might be PTO module, might be 43/44 MTO module, might be a complete game engine revamp. We can´t tell yet.

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TBH I'd be happy to play some sudo BOB battles with the planes we have/planned.

 

Hurricane, Spit, early 109's, He-111's, 110's and Ju87's will do me absolutely fine.

 

There are glaring omissions in the Allied planeset regarding heavy bombers but that's a separate discussion.

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Well, from September 1942 to well into 1943, there was much work for Tiffy squadrons who were being deployed at intervals all along the UK coast.

This was to combat the German low level raider threat (Jabos) who were zooming across the channel under radar and attacking military installations and coastal towns at will.

I'll be looking forward to searching for 109's and 190's trying to sneak in on the new map!

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8 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Early Spits and Hurricanes would be great for some 1940 and 41 Channel  missions.

 

And a Westland Whirlwind too!

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25 minutes ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

And a Westland Whirlwind too!

 

I so want that: it has the same pre-war design coolness of the P-37.  Actually, given that it was in service up to November 1943, we could use it on the early BoN map.

 

 

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Maybe they can get the AI plane formation count up so we can have larger formations, the dev team literally pulls off miracle after miracle.  Then after BON we get BOF (Battle of France) and presto!  We get all of it almost immediately with simply modifying the BOBP and BON maps to 1940 varieties.

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Hey guys, the development team (or may be Jason) already stated that there will be no "Battle of Britain" setting (neither the map, nor the planes) in the Great battles series. Great Battles would be overlapping Cliffs of Dover, and they don't want this happens. BLITZ costs peanuts, so if you dream about flying Spitfires or 109s over the channel in Summer 1940... just buy BLITZ and try. That sim deserves better than what you think.

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9 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

You guys are likely talking about the original Cliffs of Dover which 1C Maddox released as a buggy mess.

 As is the Blitz edition. Constant crashes, UI bugs, worse ai, dead online community, dead game. TF 5.0 when it comes out in 2025 would have to somehow resurrect that mess. I don't think it is doable.

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4 minutes ago, -LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor said:

 As is the Blitz edition. Constant crashes, UI bugs, worse ai, dead online community, dead game. TF 5.0 when it comes out in 2025 would have to somehow resurrect that mess. I don't think it is doable.

 

I have to double-check the above...

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12 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

I have to double-check the above...

 

Yes, please do it.

I did it. See my comments above.

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9 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 

I'm not.  I updated to the latest version.  Almost everything about the GB series is better.

Okay, well you've stated for a long time that you removed Cliffs of Dover from your PC. Given that, I highly doubt that you've gotten the Blitz Edition. Even if you have Blitz, you probably haven't even played it, if you have it's just a very small amount of hours. Therefore, you have no entitlement to say that IL-2 GBs is better than Blitz.

Also. A lot of things that make IL-2 GBs better weren't in the game when Battle of Stalingrad was released in October 2014. And I mean, IL-2 GBs isn't perfect itself, there are still some problems that have yet to be fixed.

 

Why don't you start acting the age you are BraveSirRobin, instead of how many years you've been playing IL-2 Cliffs of Dover for.

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With the current plane set the map make ‘Leaning into France’ possible, at least on a limited scale.

 

Good hunting,

CFC Conky

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4 hours ago, -LUCKY-ThanksSkeletor said:

 As is the Blitz edition. Constant crashes, UI bugs, worse ai, dead online community, dead game. TF 5.0 when it comes out in 2025 would have to somehow resurrect that mess. I don't think it is doable.

I honestly don't think Tobruk will ever come out. But I don't really like CLoD Blitz anyway, and do feel it is quite outdated. A North Africa GB game would be a Day 1 preorder from me, and would be my #1 choice, personally

2 hours ago, Alexmarine28 said:

The list of TF victims keeps growing each day... Will their heinous crimes knows no end? 

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Spin it how you like, bit honestly, CLoD just isn't very good

3 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Okay, well you've stated for a long time that you removed Cliffs of Dover from your PC. Given that, I highly doubt that you've gotten the Blitz Edition. Even if you have Blitz, you probably haven't even played it, if you have it's just a very small amount of hours. Therefore, you have no entitlement to say that IL-2 GBs is better than Blitz.

Also. A lot of things that make IL-2 GBs better weren't in the game when Battle of Stalingrad was released in October 2014. And I mean, IL-2 GBs isn't perfect itself, there are still some problems that have yet to be fixed.

 

Why don't you start acting the age you are BraveSirRobin, instead of how many years you've been playing IL-2 Cliffs of Dover for.

Why are you so buttmad that he doesn't like a game that is more flawed than GB and has had even more time to fix it?

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4 minutes ago, GreenSound said:

I honestly don't think

That's honestly your problem :)

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3 minutes ago, InProgress said:

That's honestly your problem :)

"T-they'll release it any day n-now! D-didn't you see the YouTube v-video!" Says increasingly nervous man for the 98th time

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3 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Why don't you start acting the age you are BraveSirRobin, instead of how many years you've been playing IL-2 Cliffs of Dover for.

 

I've been playing flight sims since before you were born.  And I've got 30 years of programming experience.  I'm definitely qualified to judge whether the GB series is better than CloD.

6 hours ago, Feathered_IV said:

 

And a Westland Whirlwind too!

 

Beaufighter for me.

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Seriously. What is your problem?! All you guys do is just go on and on about how IL-2 GBs is better and don't give any examples, and then you refuse to even accept the fact that IL-2 Great Battles is flaw as well. E.g. parachuters dying when landing in water and lack of radio comms, etc. Doesn't happen in IL-2 1946 or CloD (mostly) You guys are just acting like a bunch of childish/immature little kids on this forum/abut this topic.

1 hour ago, GreenSound said:

I honestly don't think Tobruk will ever come out.

Au Contraire 

My projected release date is Christmas 2019-Spring 2020 for TF 5.0. BTW they plan to showcase some new planes and stuff next week or 2.

1 hour ago, GreenSound said:

But I don't really like CLoD Blitz anyway, and do feel it is quite outdated.

How is CloD outdated? You haven't provided any examples and probably the examples you will give weren't even in IL-2 GBs when BOM was released. 

1. TF 5.0 hasn't even been released yet, thus we haven't/barely even seen the new content that will be included.

2. You probably don't even have IL-2 CloD Blitz/haven't played much of it. Therefore there's no real point in saying that it's outdated.

3. Your reasons for not liking CloD Blitz is probably because it exists.

1 hour ago, GreenSound said:

 a game that is more flawed than GB and has had even more time to fix it?

Actually, the devs began working on IL-2 GBs in early 2013. That's probably the same time that Team Fusion began working on CloD, and TF members mainly work in their spare time so the devs have had more work time on GBs than TF on Clod. BTW, before TFS got the source code from 1C, they were just an amateur Mod team. Now they're recognized as the developers and them getting the source code probably was a step in the right direction .

 

For people who are testers or make scripted campaigns, they can probably only do that in their spare time as well.

 

Why should it matter what team does what battle? I mean Jason stated that he can't do every single battle in WW2 and make every single plane. Why not let the devs focus on BON and perhaps after, Battle of Berlin, and let TFS do North Africa and the MTO. As long as it's a good quality product, there's no reason to hate it.

 

Salute.

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17 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

My projected release date is Christmas 2019-Spring 2020 for TF 5.0.

 

1...we haven't/barely even seen the new content that will be included.

 

2. You probably don't even have IL-2 CloD Blitz/haven't played much of it. Therefore there's no real point in saying that it's outdated.

 

3. Your reasons for not liking CloD Blitz is probably because it exists.

 

Why should it matter what team does what battle?

 

 

Wow, you're own projected release date, huh?

 

1. That's not a good sign, if they had good stuff to show... They would show it often

 

2. I have played many many hours of both

 

3. Incorrect, and hilariously immature assumption considering your various accusations.

 

It matters because GB would do a better and much quicker job of bringing North Africa and the MTO  to life in a more fun way

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15 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Seriously. What is your problem?!

 

 

I recently tried to set up my controllers after getting the most recent version of CloD.  The game repeatedly thought I was trying to set up controller X when I was trying to set up Y.  This was a problem with the original version.  It has not been improved.  If anything, it's worse.

 

So, maybe they fixed some of the other stuff that made this game a disaster.  But I doubt it.

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