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I've been recently flying Il-2 campaign and was trying to hide in clouds from BF-109s, I thought I was safe but I was suddenly hit, while I was flying in complete overcast changing direction and using instruments. So I decided to set-up a mission flying against AI in complete overcast, I left the aircraft stable and the AI was able to maneuver in the clouds with zero visibility and shoot me down without problems. For me as this is a major AI single player problem, I thought that BoX/RoF AI could loose me in the clouds, but it seems it is not the case. AI can see you from any distance, maneuver and hit you even when maneuvering in clouds without problem. Devs, please have a look at it. The picture below shows AI shooting at me and hitting me in zero visibility. I am also attaching a track and mission. 

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AI_clouds.zip AI_clouds_mission.zip

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I've been digging in the topic, so it seems that AI should not be able to see through clouds. According to Jason himself in this post:

But that does not seem to be the case in the current version of the sim. AI is able to see perfectly in clouds (maybe it has something to do with new clouds rendering or something). I'll try to test it further.

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S!

 

 AI tries to shoot thru houses, forests and clouds. If you get inside the AI "detection and engagement" bubble it will track you flawlessly after that. And at higher settings it can adjust to any speed/direction/altitude change in a split second. AI is one of the biggest concerns in this game, eats way too much resources and is at the same time overly stupid and overly accurate.

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14 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S!

 

 AI tries to shoot thru houses, forests and clouds. If you get inside the AI "detection and engagement" bubble it will track you flawlessly after that. And at higher settings it can adjust to any speed/direction/altitude change in a split second. AI is one of the biggest concerns in this game, eats way too much resources and is at the same time overly stupid and overly accurate.

 

Thanks for the heads up Flanker, I agree - I just thought that such basic feature as AI not being able to see through clouds has been solved long time ago (as Indicated by Jason's response). There must be something really odd, if AI in zero visibility is able to perform 180 turn, fall behind 2 kilometers, track a target and shoot it down. For me this is something as basic as the AI being able to take-off and land.  Maybe the topic should be moved into BUGs section?

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1 hour ago, Rudolph said:

 

Thanks for the heads up Flanker, I agree - I just thought that such basic feature as AI not being able to see through clouds has been solved long time ago (as Indicated by Jason's response). There must be something really odd, if AI in zero visibility is able to perform 180 turn, fall behind 2 kilometers, track a target and shoot it down. For me this is something as basic as the AI being able to take-off and land.  Maybe the topic should be moved into BUGs section?

When I flew more single player I regularly lost AI in the clouds, but sometimes with the way the clouds render it can appear to you that you are entirely within the clouds, while to outside observers you may not be. But I never got shot through complete clouds by AI as you are describing.

However I haven't flown with the most recent patch, it could be  that the work on the cloud rendering made the clouds 'thinner' to' the AI so now they can see into them much farther, or simply through them.
 

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It's not just AI that shoots through clouds. I do, and so do many other players.

If you're zoomed in on the enemy you can easily see/track them through clouds.

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Clouds don't make you invisible IRL. Close formation in all but the most dense clouds is possible and a regular part of Fighter flying. TACFORM in 1 nm spread is possible in some cloud.

 

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I understand that to some extent you can see through clouds and track a target which has flown into a cloud with some probability, but AI should not be able to navigate in the middle of an overcast layer with zero visibility, intercept - track and shoot you down. In the screen I provided in my first post there is 109 on my six shooting from 300 meters at me (do you see it?). Such zero visibility intercept would be difficult even with radar. In the track I provided AI goes two kilometers behind, perfectly navigates on you and shoots you down from 300 meters in zero visibility I do not think this should be possible. The current AI can find you in the middle of an overcast layer, so it is impossible to hide from them using clouds. It probably needs to be tweaked, but as I see the work is ongoing so maybe it will be improved.

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25 minutes ago, Rudolph said:

The current AI can find you in the middle of an overcast layer, so it is impossible to hide from them using clouds. It probably needs to be tweaked, but as I see the work is ongoing so maybe it will be improved.

 

Yup.

Stick QMB and overcast weather on, the AI will always find you.

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On 11/27/2019 at 8:59 AM, LLv34_Flanker said:

overly stupid and overly accurate

5 words summarize thousands of words and dozens of posts on the forum.

You have spoken just true.

On 11/28/2019 at 12:27 AM, Bert_Foster said:

Clouds don't make you invisible IRL. Close formation in all but the most dense clouds is possible and a regular part of Fighter flying. TACFORM in 1 nm spread is possible in some cloud.

 

P51IMC.jpg

yeah, but this is not RL, and here, you cant see a thing when flying between clouds.

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